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What does a Bangladeshi of today thinks of Pakistan?

These are some of the most common things I've heard Bengalis say about Pakistanis:

1. Lie too much (habit of blowing things out of proportion, exaggeration).

2. Fraudsters (Again, another generalization).

3. Nosey (Want to know everything).
 
For some odd reason despite sharing same religion and being one country ... Pakistanis don't like Bangladeshis.. Pakistanis are more likely to be friends with Indians (specially Indian punjabis) or afghans and middle easterners than Bangladeshis... Also apart my my personal experience ... I've never heard any Pakistani talking anything positive about them.
We lived together for more than 2 decades, by following you, i am afraid we are going against what Jinnah stood for, what Pakistan stood for.Please dont spell out hatred. I have came across many Pakistanis, i dont find any hatred in them for Bangladesh. If we go by what you say, should we expel pashtuns on the basis of ttp and baloch on the basis of bla. Come on, you are seriously jeopardizing a serious effort to bridge the distances.
 
For some odd reason despite sharing same religion and being one country ... Pakistanis don't like Bangladeshis.. Pakistanis are more likely to be friends with Indians (specially Indian punjabis) or afghans and middle easterners than Bangladeshis... Also apart my my personal experience ... I've never heard any Pakistani talking anything positive about them.
That is not my experience at all. And for something positive about them, read my post #47
 
Your women did not get raped!Your country didn't even face genocide!And you lost more than Bangladesh?

My apologies and regrets from my heart, my friend. I agree there were atrocities committed but there were too many conspiracies hatched as well. The people of Bengal did a lot for Pakistan which most people realize and the others need to realize. Who can forget MM Alam, Saif ul Azam, Sher e Bangal Molvie Fazl e Haq and the list goes on. What happened will always be a deep scar on the face of Pakistan. I can only hope that somehow the time may be reversed and we may correct our wrongs. Among brothers, egos should never come. Regarding some members of this forum who dont believe in ummah, I would say that if after 68 years of independence, Pakistan somehow decides to shrug off its Islamic identity, we can only disintegrate.
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Once again our serious apologies.
That is not my experience at all. And for something positive about them, read my post #47
Totally agreed Sir.
 
I saw a lot of Bangladeshis cheering Pakistani deaths.. Including Peshawar School Attacks..
Where you have seen that.. can you give any source.. if not don't repeat this propaganda.. I have seen bangladeshi supporting Pakistan in every match vs India...
 
The following information by an ex indian intelligence operative not only discusses about indian intervention regarding fall of Dhaka but also other parts of Pakistan. However, it does not obviously disclose current intervention status of raw. (more to follow)

Ex Indian Spy Documents RAW's Successes in Pakistan


Are Pakistan's allegations against RAW mere conspiracy theories? Are all of Pakistan's problems today entirely of its own making? Is RAW just a dis-interested spectator of the grisly drama being played out in Pakistan?




Let's try and answer these questions by looking at the history of the Indian spy agency and its successes claimed by retired Indian intelligence officer RK Yadav in his 2014 book "Mission R&AW". Although the book cites some of RAW's actions in China (Tibet), Sikkim (annexation) and Sri Lanka (creation and support of LTTE), most of it is devoted to Indian agents' accomplishments in destabilizing and disintegrating Pakistan.

Yadav's Book:


Here are some of the key Pakistan-related excerpts from Yadav's book:

On Pakhtunistan Page 21:

" Wali Khan (son of Abdul Ghaffar Khan aka Bacha Khan) wanted moral, political and other support from Mrs. Indira Gandhi. R.N. Kao sent hs deputy Sankaran Nair to negotiate as the Indian representative. Since Pakistan embassy was keeping watch on the movements of Wali Khan, the rendezvous was shifted to Sweden where Nair and another R&AW man of Indian mission I.S. Hassanwalia met Wali Khan. Subsequently all sorts of support was given to Wali Khan by the Indian Government till 1977 when Indira Gandhi lost election".

On Agartala Conspiracy Page 197:

"In view of the disclosures of S.K. Nair, it is evidently true that Mujib was implicated in the Agartala Conspiracy case at the instance of Pakistan Government. However, it is also true that other accused in this case were certainly agents of Intelligence Bureau (IB) in India"

On Fokker Hijacking in Srinagar Page 227:

There was an agent of R&AW-Hashim Qureshi in Srinagar.......R&AW persuaded Hashim Qureshi to work for them.....After the plan was given final shape, on January 30, 1971, Hashim Qureshi along with another operative Ashraf Qureshi, his relative, was allowed to hijack a Fokker Friendship plane Ganga of Indian Airlines with 26 passengers on board, to take the plane to Lahore airport. R&AW allowed him to carry a grenade and a toy pistol inside the plane. Pakistani authorities at Lahore airport allowed the plane to land when they were informed that it had been hijacked by National Liberation Front activist militants of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. All India Radio soon made broadcast of this hijacking and the whole world was informed that the Pakistan Government was behind this hijacking...The incident overtly gave India the right opportunity which was planned by R.N. Kao, to cancel the flights of Pakistan over its territory which hampered the plans of Yahya Khan to send its troops by air to curb the political movement of Mujib in East Pakistan.

On Mukti Bahini Page 231:

Since the Indian Army was not prepared and well-equipped for an immediate army action at that point (March 1971), it was planned to raise and train a guerrilla outfit of the Bengali refugees of East Pakistan by R&AW which would harass the Pakistan Army till the Indian Army would be ready for the final assault to the liberation of East Pakistan. She (Indira Gandhi) then asked R.N. Kao, Chief of R&AW, to prepare all possible grounds for the army for its final assault when the clearance from General Maneckshaw was received for its readiness for the war.
On 3 RAW created Forces (Mujeeb Bahini, Special Frontier Force (SFF) and Kader Bahini Page 242:
"..He (Kader Siddiqui aka Tiger Siddiqui) was the main operative of R&AW in the most vital areas of strategic operation around Dacca... Kader Bahini played havoc with the communication system of the army (Pakistani), ambushed enemy columns, blew up supply and ammunition dumps and assaulted a number of enemy convoys.....all these three guerrilla outfits created by R&AW with the help of BSF and the (Indian) army proved a vital force .. "
Obviously, the author is silent on India's current activities against Pakistan, particularly its covert war being waged from Afghanistan through its agents who have infiltrated Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA).

Ajit Doval Speech:

For clues as to what Indians are up to now, let's watch the video of a 2013 speech by Ajit Doval delivered before he was appointed by Indian Prime Minister Modi as his National Security Advisor (NSA). Here are a few snippets from Doval's lecture at Sastra University in Tamil Nadu:
"How do we tackle Pakistan? .. You make it difficult for them (Pakistan) to manage their internal security... Pakistan's vulnerability is many many times higher than India's....Taliban have beheaded 23 of their (Pakistani) soldiers...funding can be countered by giving more funds...more than one-and-a-half times the funding they have available and they'll be yours..the Taliban are mercenaries...go for more of a covert thing"

Why are you so surprise regarding Doval's speech ?
 
First of all I like to congratulate "Wolf" for starting this thread and for also being so positive in his views all along. I also agree with him and have very positive view of our Bangla brothers and sisters. Please remember that some time devil create rifts among blood brothers and families and they get separated but still they will remain as family . And our bond is not of blood but of spirituality and religion. Even though we dont know this or believe this or feel this but the Almighty God and His Prophet PBUH have jelled all Muslims into a spiritual bond which can never be broken. We may live far away or be separated , may be speaking different languages , looking or dressing differently , eating and thinking differently but we will still be two brotherly Muslim nations just like all Muslim Ummah ! And for those who dont think Ummah is important , they cannot beat God and destiny .....Muslim Ummah and Islam will prevail ......its just matter of time !
 
It has been my utmost desire to discuss with my Bangladeshi brothers regarding what they think about Pakistan. What happened in 1971? What was truth and what were exaggerations? As a Pakistani citizen, I feel saddened and heart broken from the incidents that lead to bloodshed of Bengali brethren which resultantly lead to creation of Bangladesh but at the same time respecting the identity and sovereignty of Bangladesh .I would like to hear from Bangladeshi friends the truth no matter how hard and how bitter it is.

Please inform and be open.

It's a taboo as a Bangladeshi to talk positive of Pakistan. Our secular writers and media have firmly established a Bengali Identity which is anti Pak in nature.

So Bangladeshis who don't hate Pakistan like to keep it quiet. So in a narrow naked eye It may seem that Majority Bangladeshis hate Pakistan which is not true.
 
Book review of Dead Reckoning by Sharmila Bose ( i will try to find a link of whole book)



This ground-breaking book chronicles the 1971 war in South Asia by reconstituting the memories of those on opposing sides of the conflict. 1971 was marked by a bitter civil war within Pakistan and war between India and Pakistan, backed respectively by the Soviet Union and the United States. It was fought over the territory of East Pakistan, which seceded to become Bangladesh. Through a detailed investigation of events on the ground, Sarmila Bose contextualises and humanises the war while analysing what the events reveal about the nature of the conflict itself. The story of 1971 has so far been dominated by the narrative of the victorious side. All parties to the war are still largely imprisoned by wartime partisan mythologies. Bose reconstructs events via interviews conducted in Bangladesh and Pakistan, published and unpublished reminiscences in Bengali and English of participants on all sides, official documents, foreign media reports and other sources. Her book challenges assumptions about the nature of the conflict, and exposes the ways in which the 1971 war is still playing out in the region.

Product code: 455601, ISBN13: 9781849040495, 288 pages, paperback
Published by C Hurst & Co Publishers Ltd in 2011

SARMILA BOSE is Senior Research Fellow in the Politics of South Asia at the University of Oxford. She was a political journalist in India and combines academic and media work. She was educated at Bryn Mawr College and Harvard University.

Ms. Sharmila Bose in her paper entitled “Losing the Victims: Problems of Using Women as Weapons in Recounting the Bangladesh War” paints a picture of the Pakistani military as a disciplined force that spared women and children. She writes:

During my field research on several incidents in East Pakistan during 1971, Bangladeshi participants and eyewitnesses described battles, raids, massacres and executions, but told me that women were not harmed by the army in these events except by chance such as in crossfire. The pattern that emerged from these incidents was that the Pakistan army targeted adult males while sparing women and children.

She also quotes the passage from the Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report that I cited above to support her assertion that so many rapes could not have occurred. 20,000-34,000 could not have raped 200,000 to 400,000 women in the space of nine months.

She states in the introduction:

That rape occurred in East Pakistan in 1971 has never been in any doubt. The question is what was the true extent of rape, who were the victims and who the perpetrators and was there any systematic policy of rape by any party, as opposed to opportunistic sexual crimes in times of war.

To try to bolster her argument that the Pakistani forces in Bangladesh could not have raped so many women, she claims:

The number of West Pakistani armed forces personnel in East Pakistan was about 20,000 at the beginning of the conflict, rising to 34,000 by December. Another 11,000 men — civil police and non-combat personnel — also held arms.

For an army of 34,000 to rape on this scale in eight or nine months (while fighting insurgency, guerrilla war and an invasion by India), each would-be perpetrator would have had to commit rape at an incredible rate.

There are numerous reports out there now which negates the well established beliefs. The declassified US reports, Indian military officers account, Pakistan military officers account, General Niazi’s memoirs, Sharmila Bose, Hamoodurahman commission report.
 
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The top post was of a Bangladeshi lady... A woman cheering and telling us that Pakistani kids deserved it and how happy she was !

Tell me about it.. I've seen and net Bangladeshis.. And to be honest I felt more comfortable with Sri larkans than them...
meera LA ?
 
Where you have seen that.. can you give any source.. if not don't repeat this propaganda.. I have seen bangladeshi supporting Pakistan in every match vs India...
FB.. And yes I copied her post Aswell.. Just in case some fool wanted proof.
 

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