What do the Taliban want?

[VCheng]

"That text, the Objectives Resolution, reads: “Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, "
The person who wrote the above Objectives Resolution must be a crazy crooked fellow.

I am sure billions of people around the world in many other sovereign countries would beg to differ!

 

[Green Arrow]

What ever Taliban want but the point is We can not afford to offer anything.

 

[CENTCOM]

TTP & other rented terrorist groups are only working for highest bidders, they only read the script provided to them by their funders & act in the name of Islam. TTP are only achieving goals for their foreign funders.

TTP’s long list of crimes leaves very little to ponder over their evil agenda. The TTP have shown over and over that they will cross all lines in their bid to destabilize the country and impose their ideology. The attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar again depicts their evilness and immorality. To all those who continue to indulge in conspiracy theories must realize that we are simply shifting the advantage in our common enemies favor. These repeat offenders must be held responsible for their actions, and we should think long and hard about all the victims before letting them off the hook by blaming ‘foreign funders’. The fact of the matter is that they boast about the killings, issue threats against anyone who takes a stand against their crimes, and they have even issued warnings against our governments for working together.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the parents who have lost their children in last week’s brutal act of terror in Peshawar. We sincerely hope that they find the strength to deal with the tragedy. We also stand with the nation of Pakistan in this difficult time and fully support the government of Pakistan in its fight against terror.

Ali Khan

Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM

 

[Capt.Popeye]

This must be some Indian writer. Its an over simplistic, stupid and idiotic column. No need to comment any further.

Hell no, that must be a Mongoloid or Somali writer for sure..... going by your "logic".
While your comments are simply "intelligent, well-reasoned out and valid"!!!!!!!!
Now... is there any need to comment any further?

Now, back to the topic of the OP------
The main point and over-riding question is: is the Paksitan of today in line with the requirements of the Objectives Resolution of 1949?
Next question: is the Objectives Resolution of 1949 in line with the framework of his country that M.A.Jinnah envisaged?

Can the posters here, offer some answers to these two questions.....
@Norwegian, @FaujHistorian, @Syed.Ali.Haider , @TankMan , @Menace2Society , @waleed3601, @Oscar , @Hyperion, @genmirajborgza786 , @Rescue Ranger, @Cheetah786, and anybody else who wishes to enter the discussion.

They want to kill you and your family so that the only things left in Pakistan are them and their goats !

Good Lord, that would then lead to just too many Goats in Paksitan then, of the four-legged and two-legged kinds.

 

[faisal6309]

Islamic caliphate in Pakistan..

 

[SQ8]

Next question: is the Objectives Resolution of 1949 in line with the framework of his country that M.A.Jinnah envisaged?.

This is all that Pakistan was supposed to be defined by

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen!
I cordially thank you, with the utmost sincerity, for the honour you have conferred upon me - the greatest honour that is possible to confer - by electing me as your first President. I also thank those leaders who have spoken in appreciation of my services and their personal references to me. I sincerely hope that with your support and your co-operation we shall make this Constituent Assembly an example to the world. The Constituent Assembly has got two main functions to perform. The first is the very onerous and responsible task of framing the future constitution of Pakistan and the second of functioning as a full and complete sovereign body as the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. We have to do the best we can in adopting a provisional constitution for the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. You know really that not only we ourselves are wondering but, I think, the whole world is wondering at this unprecedented cyclonic revolution which has brought about the clan of creating and establishing two independent sovereign Dominions in this sub-continent. As it is, it has been unprecedented; there is no parallel in the history of the world. This mighty sub-continent with all kinds of inhabitants has been brought under a plan which is titanic, unknown, unparalleled. And what is very important with regards to it is that we have achieved it peacefully and by means of an evolution of the greatest possible character.

Dealing with our first function in this Assembly, I cannot make any well-considered pronouncement at this moment, but I shall say a few things as they occur to me. The first and the foremost thing that I would like to emphasize is this: remember that you are now a sovereign legislative body and you have got all the powers. It, therefore, places on you the gravest responsibility as to how you should take your decisions. The first observation that I would like to make is this: You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State.

The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering - I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think our condition is much worse - is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and I hope that you will take adequate measures as soon as it is possible for this Assembly to do so.

Black-marketing is another curse. Well, I know that blackmarketeers are frequently caught and punished. Judicial sentences are passed or sometimes fines only are imposed. Now you have to tackle this monster, which today is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food and other essential commodities of life. A citizen who does black-marketing commits, I think, a greater crime than the biggest and most grievous of crimes. These blackmarketeers are really knowing, intelligent and ordinarily responsible people, and when they indulge in black-marketing, I think they ought to be very severely punished, because the entire system of control and regulation of foodstuffs and essential commodities, and cause wholesale starvation and want and even death.

The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil, the evil of nepotism and jobbery. I want to make it quite clear that I shall never tolerate any kind of jobbery, nepotism or any any influence directly of indirectly brought to bear upon me. Whenever I will find that such a practice is in vogue or is continuing anywhere, low or high, I shall certainly not countenance it.

I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of everyone of us to loyally abide by it and honourably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all. But you must remember, as I have said, that this mighty revolution that has taken place is unprecedented. One can quite understand the feeling that exists between the two communities wherever one community is in majority and the other is in minority. But the question is, whether it was possible or practicable to act otherwise than what has been done, A division had to take place. On both sides, in Hindustan and Pakistan, there are sections of people who may not agree with it, who may not like it, but in my judgement there was no other solution and I am sure future history will record is verdict in favour of it. And what is more, it will be proved by actual experience as we go on that was the only solution of India's constitutional problem. Any idea of a united India could never have worked and in my judgement it would have led us to terrific disaster. Maybe that view is correct; maybe it is not; that remains to be seen. All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be on end to the progress you will make.

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.

Well, gentlemen, I do not wish to take up any more of your time and thank you again for the honour you have done to me. I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fairplay without any, as is put in the political language, prejudice or ill-will, in other words, partiality or favouritism. My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest nations of the world.

Its funny that even when addressing Pakistan Jinnah voices his concern for the "Indian" future.

Ironically, None of the outlined in red came about in the objectives resolution.. and not even an inkling of it exists.

 

[airmarshal]

Hell no, that must be a Mongoloid or Somali writer for sure..... going by your "logic".
While your comments are simply "intelligent, well-reasoned out and valid"!!!!!!!!
Now... is there any need to comment any further?

Now, back to the topic of the OP------
The main point and over-riding question is: is the Paksitan of today in line with the requirements of the Objectives Resolution of 1949?
Next question: is the Objectives Resolution of 1949 in line with the framework of his country that M.A.Jinnah envisaged?

Can the posters here, offer some answers to these two questions.....
@Norwegian, @FaujHistorian, @Syed.Ali.Haider , @TankMan , @Menace2Society , @waleed3601, @Oscar , @Hyperion, @genmirajborgza786 , @Rescue Ranger, @Cheetah786, and anybody else who wishes to enter the discussion.



Good Lord, that would then lead to just too many Goats in Paksitan then, of the four-legged and two-legged kinds.

This is an Indian writer with a typical idiotic Indian bias and your response does not add anything to refute or confirm what I said.

 

[Butchcassidy]

Goats, its all about them goats.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

This is all that Pakistan was supposed to be defined by


Its funny that even when addressing Pakistan Jinnah voices his concern for the "Indian" future.

Ironically, None of the outlined in red came about in the objectives resolution.. and not even an inkling of it exists.

So..... the Objectives Resolution does not reflect or conform to Jinnah's views or vision for his Nation?

And what might your answer be to the first question that I posed (in the post that you responded to).

Its also interesting that Jinnah is addressing the people/assembly of his own country (in his speech) but interjects India into his discourse..... was that a "Freudian Slip"??

 

[SQ8]

So..... the Objectives Resolution does not reflect or conform to Jinnah's views or vision for his Nation?

And what might your answer be to the first question that I posed (in the post that you responded to).

Its also interesting that Jinnah is addressing the people/assembly of his own country (in his speech) but interjects India into his discourse..... was that a "Freudian Slip"??

Ill refrain from commenting on the objectives resolution.

The Highlighted part alludes to a different issue,and somewhat supports the theory that Jinnah never really wanted to partition India but had his hand forced due to the stubbornness of Nehru in power sharing with the league. Whether correctly or incorrectly(as is also stated in the speech).. the partition of India then became a hobsons choice for Jinnah vis a vis the Muslim league and the movement.

There is another odd incident narrated today about the speech by a senior journalist.. that this speech was aired as it was and was infact censored because in the view of a bureaucrat it would "undermine the two nation theory".

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Ill refrain from commenting on the objectives resolution.

The Highlighted part alludes to a different issue,and somewhat supports the theory that Jinnah never really wanted to partition India but had his hand forced due to the stubbornness of Nehru in power sharing with the league. Whether correctly or incorrectly(as is also stated in the speech).. the partition of India then became a hobsons choice for Jinnah vis a vis the Muslim league and the movement.

There is another odd incident narrated today about the speech by a senior journalist.. that this speech was aired as it was and was infact censored because in the view of a bureaucrat it would "undermine the two nation theory".

About the underlined part; there can be (and there are in fact) views and views. It had little to do with personalities viz. Nehru or whoever, but had everything to do with a very fundamental difference in how the Congress and Muslim League determined their respective raison d'etre and locus standi respectively........ .....the Muslim League saw itself as the sole arbiter, controller and and voice of the Muslims and considered the Congress as only the voice of the Hindu community.
OTOH, the Congress did not consider itself to be confined as the voice of the Hindu community, but as representative of all Indians who were its members and subscribed to its ideas; regardless of community. This was demonstrated by the fact that Hindus, Muslims (both Sunnis, Shias and others) Christians, Buddhists, Parsis and even Anglo-Indians were part of its ranks and leadership.

Please do not overlook this very basic difference in the view-points that each organisation had w.r.t. its very basis for existence and actions. That gap was not bridgeable and consequently rendered Partition as a "fait accompli".

 

[Kaniska]

that is islamic law according to the western intelligence agencies who project the burqa and mullah as "islamic" and scare the western citizens into hating islam... and towards this, the agencies use puppets like taliban, ikhwaan and qaeda, who of course do their given duties marvelously.

Let us go by your narrative....If this is the case, why do not all the modern Muslim nations openely abandon or stop supporting the terrorists? Why in the Muslim nations and their people are still sympathize towards Taliban?..Take example Pakistan why there is so much sympathy for Taliban and to some extent even to OBL too?...I may agree with your that West provided financial support and created them, but these fringe group and its popularity is more in the Islamic natons and its people?...Why do people of Pakistan and other so called Islamic nations stand behind the Taliban and Al queda groups?....You can not always blame West as an execuse...In US, if you follow Urdu media and some people who understands Islamic thoughts, stil now they beleive than OBL is innocent?....Can you beleive that?...So if this is the kind of mentality of the majority Muslim people, then why do you then take execuse West for everything? How many times you have seen Pakistan and its politican parties rallied behind the Islamic radicals in last 50 years irrespective of their diplomatic interest?....

living under shariah law that's what almost every muslim want and there is nothing wrong in this demand but the method they have adopted to fulfill their demand is Islamic or not should be debated or else they will continue to get a silent support from muslims.

If Everymusim want Sharia law, then why do not you guys go somewhere else and live in one place and make one nation? Why are you troubling others with your imposition of your religious thoughts on other people? ...In that way, you are happy and others can be happy too..This is how i can see the nature of the Indian muslims is dangerous for other people in India..?...

 

[FaujHistorian]

....
Now, back to the topic of the OP------

Question-1The main point and over-riding question is: is the Paksitan of today in line with the requirements of the Objectives Resolution of 1949?

Question-2Next question: is the Objectives Resolution of 1949 in line with the framework of his country that M.A.Jinnah envisaged?

Can the posters here, offer some answers to these two questions.....
@Norwegian, @FaujHistorian, @Syed.Ali.Haider , @TankMan , @Menace2Society , @waleed3601, @Oscar , @Hyperion, @genmirajborgza786 , @Rescue Ranger, @Cheetah786, and anybody else who wishes to enter the discussion.
.

Answer-1 -- Yes, Absolutely

Answer-2 -- No, in fact hell No

 

[Kaniska]

Jamahir....One day come out of your so called assumption about RSS, be a neutral person and give a thought, then you can uderstand what is RSS all about...RSS is an organization where every nation loving Indian should be proud about...I do agree with you about fringe elements of Hindu groups are not so welcome, but again, RSS is not all about Bajrang Dal neither RSS killed Ehasan Jafri...If you start thinking like that way, then there are various examples where i can associate JUH and other Muslim organizations are doing reign of terror in Muslim dominated areas of Kerala,Kashmir and WB...

give them guns and they will... besides, what is the rss and durga vahini shakha's for... let me remind you how the sangh parivar killed ehsan jafri in 2002... taliban uses guns, the sanghis use swords and spears... in fact, isis/qaeda/fsa are infants compared to the sangh parivar.



the "moral policing" that ram sena or bajrang dal does is a crime against humanity... who gave those ugly idiots to go about beating up ladies or their muslim male friends... who gave them the right to illegally confine ladies who had chosen their own man ( muslim or otherwise )... they confined those ladies bring them back to "indian culture"... essentially threaten them with death... who gave these groups the right to bring ladies to the point of suicide... who gave these groups the right to promote atmosphere for "honor killing"...

look at what some such criminals are saying... ( Ruthless facts of Love Jihad : Planned methods of luring Hindu girls - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti ).



and what gives you the right to talk against taliban... when you call taliban a criminal group, look also at who you sympathize with...

 

[pakdefender]

The question , what do the taliban want cannot be fully answered without also asking what do the americans want