What did 20 years of western intervention in Afghanistan achieve? Ruination

[ziaulislam]

It has always been the case-" That has surely been the case for years in Britain as in America, yet we are still there. "

I was talking to two Syrian friends at the outset of the Afghan war and they were laughing and joking how Afghanistan and the Talibs were going to get annihilated and I told them then that " the spirit of Islam cannot be defeated and that the Islamic spirit cannot be killed no matter how many Muslims are killed". Really I don't know how a Russian or American can look an Afghan in the eye after being humbled by the poorest nation on earth and the richest men of belief. After realising the futility of their fake power Israel is trying to protect itself with the shroud of Arab treachery and it will be to no avail , a fruitless exercise to delay the inevitable.

Those syrians didnt know that for all their faults pushtoons were never subjugated by imperial powers unlike the arabs

 

[Imran Khan]

now it is rebuilding and reconstruction time .


that is true .

rebuilding ?
you my fellow dont know afghans then . its time for drugs weapons and jehad

 

[GHALIB]

rebuilding ?
you my fellow dont know afghans then . its time for drugs weapons and jehad

hope they are not left alone like last time, america left without arranging for a stable govt with workable constitution , this time i hope all groups will be adjusted in power sharing formula .

 

[Maira La]

The Americans and her British ally plunged an entire nation back to the Stone Age. Tell me honestly. Has Iraq recovered after Saddam was hung? Look at that country today. Absolutely zero recovery. Saddam might have been a drunk maniac, but Iraq was still in one piece. The Americans and Brits didn't ravage Iraq to bring democracy and prosperity. They were there to loot.

Yeah Americans and British are no saints, but I see a lot of Pakistanis idolize Saddam without knowing much about him.

In 2000, the then-Vice President of Iraq Taha Yassin Ramadan visited India, and on August 6, 2002 President Saddam Hussein conveyed Iraq's "unwavering support" to India over the Kashmir dispute with Pakistan.

 

[The SC]

The main US objective in Afghanistan was to destoy AlQaeda for supposed revenge of the 9/11 attack.. they have succeeded in that part, although Taliban who had refused to hand over the AlQaeda heads,, is now stronger than ever!.. But the US has implanted its Afghan Men everywhere in Afghanistan so it will still be pulling the strings from a safer place ..home..otherwise it would have not decided to leave..
Also Afghanistan is very rich in minerals worth trillions of dollars..And it is obvious that the US firms will be favored for mining and exploitation of these resources, with their advanced technologies and techniques..Some might think, China, India, Russia and others might participate in this.. yes absolutely, but the main and most important projects will go to the US firms.. The implanted US afghan loyal Men in the different groups and the government will make sure of that..

 

[Imran Khan]

hope they are not left alone like last time, america left without arranging for a stable govt with workable constitution , this time i hope all groups will be adjusted in power sharing formula .

yaar usa kya suger daddy hai afghans ka ? if afghan were ever united they are good bussinessmen . they can build a country . i can see they are hard worker in pakistan . they own companies . only thing is afghans are ignorant backward minds and they dont have unity or ever they fallow united gov . no civilized society . nothing to do with US . check history of last 200 years they never were a country united under a single gov ever .

 

[khansaheeb]

hope they are not left alone like last time, america left without arranging for a stable govt with workable constitution , this time i hope all groups will be adjusted in power sharing formula .

Like Somalians the Afghans have too many tribes who have been always infighting; their whole history is about instability and violence. Once the Americans leave there will be a degenerate cycle of bloodletting as they all try to fill up the power vacuum and during this frenzy of violence they will lose sight of Islam and humanity as pure anarchy will reign. It would be interesting to know if Pakistan will help expedite the fall of the ANA and have the Indians chased out of Kabul.

 

[ziaulislam]

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hope they are not left alone like last time, america left without arranging for a stable govt with workable constitution , this time i hope all groups will be adjusted in power sharing formula .

What formula..seems its back to old ways but this time every proxy knows its friend ans foe
Seeing how ANA decimated pakistan with indian help i will be surpised if they dont

The main US objective in Afghanistan was to destoy AlQaeda for supposed revenge of the 9/11 attack.. they have succeeded in that part, although Taliban who had refused to hand over the AlQaeda heads,, is now stronger than ever!.. But the US has implanted its Afghan Men everywhere in Afghanistan so it will still be pulling the strings from a safer place ..home..otherwise it would have not decided to leave..
Also Afghanistan is very rich in minerals worth trillions of dollars..And it is obvious that the US firms will be favored for mining and exploitation of these resources, with their advanced technologies and techniques..Some might think, China, India, Russia and others might participate in this.. yes absolutely, but the main and most important projects will go to the US firms.. The implanted US afghan Men in the different groups and the government will make sure of that..

Lol what govt?
Afghan govt wont surive for months..its matter of weeks

 

[khansaheeb]

You can hope as much as you want. Afghan deals are meaningless and any deals there are made to be broken. America realised that the Afghans are too untrustworthy and scrupulous and follow the money trail and never honour the promise. That's why the Americans came, they saw , they conquered and ran the hell out from those crazy gun totting, hashish chewing goat herders.

 

[GHALIB]

W
What formula..seems its back to old ways but this time every proxy knows its friend ans foe
Seeing how ANA decimated pakistan with indian help i will be surpised if they dont

Lol what govt?
Afghan govt wont surive for months..its matter of weeks

let us see , may be this time talibans behave differently .

 

[ziaulislam]

let us see , may be this time talibans behave differently .

I am sitting in peshawar i know how talibans are behaving
They have already taken control of 40% afghanistan and 30% is shadowly controlled(to avoid usa air strikes)
Once usa leaves apart from central afghanistan kabul and parts of northeast eveeything else will fall within a week. Effectively putting kabul in seige..this will be followed by internal fractures with western alliance simply refusing to do govt bidding and concentaring on keeping their base safer..ANA will thus fracture very quickly

 

[FuturePAF]

I am sitting in peshawar i know how talibans are behaving
They have already taken control of 40% afghanistan and 30% is shadowly controlled(to avoid usa air strikes)
Once usa leaves apart from central afghanistan kabul and parts of northeast eveeything else will fall within a week. Effectively putting kabul in seige..this will be followed by internal fractures with western alliance simply refusing to do govt bidding and concentaring on keeping their base safer..ANA will thus fracture very quickly

Daily attacks are on going. Afghans sitting on the fence will see the writing on the wall.

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IMHO, A good indication (and it’s just my guess) which areas will fall first and which will fall last is to see which areas at the most and the least voter turnout of eligible voters in the 2019 election. Page 36 of this PDF file from the US institute of peace is a review of the 2019 election. It outlines what percent of the provinces that turned out. Daykundi and Bamiyan turned out the most. Most of the provinces that went to Ghani turned out the least. If his power base falls, Ghani might be out, as his main rival (Abdullah Abdullah) may claim legitimacy.

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/pw_166-assessing_afghanistans_2019_presidential_election-pw.pdf

BTW, do you think they will take Herat or will the Iranians make a play for the city with an (overt or covert) invasion? Could Qatar broker a back channel negotiations to protect Iranian and Shia interests in Afghanistan in exchange for the Talibs taking those areas? Isn’t it in the interest of the gulf nations to prevent Iranians expansion into Afghanistan as they have done in Syria and Iraq?

 

[ziaulislam]

Daily attacks are on going. Afghans sitting on the fence will see the writing on the wall.

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IMHO, A good indication (and it’s just my guess) which areas will fall first and which will fall last is to see which areas at the most and the least voter turnout of eligible voters in the 2019 election. Page 36 of this PDF file from the US institute of peace is a review of the 2019 election. It outlines what percent of the provinces that turned out. Daykundi and Bamiyan turned out the most. Most of the provinces that went to Ghani turned out the least. If his power base falls, Ghani might be out, as his main rival (Abdullah Abdullah) may claim legitimacy.

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/pw_166-assessing_afghanistans_2019_presidential_election-pw.pdf

BTW, do you think they will take Herat or will the Iranians make a play for the city with an (overt or covert) invasion? Could Qatar broker a back channel negotiations to protect Iranian and Shia interests in Afghanistan in exchange for the Talibs taking those areas? Isn’t it in the interest of the gulf nations to prevent Iranians expansion into Afghanistan as they have done in Syria and Iraq?

Herat kandahar..north east and south afghanistan is good as gone..parts of central afghanistan kabul and north will remain.

Problem is once kandahar is gone the pushtoons in ANA and govt will rebel/leave leaving the typical northern alliance people in the govt who will quickly end up doing startegic withdrawals to defend their terrioties
I doubt iran will have major role..they are busy elsewhere and in afghanistan they may just come to a understanding of non interference

 

[CrazyZ]

The main US objective in Afghanistan was to destoy AlQaeda for supposed revenge of the 9/11 attack.. they have succeeded in that part, although Taliban who had refused to hand over the AlQaeda heads,, is now stronger than ever!.. But the US has implanted its Afghan Men everywhere in Afghanistan so it will still be pulling the strings from a safer place ..home..otherwise it would have not decided to leave..
Also Afghanistan is very rich in minerals worth trillions of dollars..And it is obvious that the US firms will be favored for mining and exploitation of these resources, with their advanced technologies and techniques..Some might think, China, India, Russia and others might participate in this.. yes absolutely, but the main and most important projects will go to the US firms.. The implanted US afghan loyal Men in the different groups and the government will make sure of that..

Not really. The bill that justified this war in congress....specifically mentioned defeating the Taliban as a goal. The goal posts were moved to make this withdrawal possible.

Also the neocons convinced GWB to "democratize" the ME....Iraq was invaded but it had nothing to do with 9/11. The neocons wanted to punish the ME region as a whole for 9/11....encouraging sectarian conflicts in the ME to weaken the Arabs and Iranians while strengthening the Israelis.

They were successful in spreading turmoil in the ME and defeating Al Qaeda....but they did not defeat the Taliban.

The resources exhausted for this effort were a huge lost opportunity cost for the USA. It brought the USA down a notch compared to China.

 

[khansaheeb]

lets be strait sir no need suger coating

it was revange and they bang afghanistan . revenge have no goal no purpose nor it have goals

I have posted the letter from the US Ambassador to Afghanistan who was negotiating with the Taliban to allow an oil pipeline from central Asia to through Afghanistan to Pakistan and that if the Taliban didn't agree they would make them dearly regret it and find other means to make them change. But the US failed after 20 bloody years due to a stubborn resistance.