What can China learn from India ?

[eddieInUK]

I am sure you must be joking.

Let's not forget that in 2004, Manmohan Singh promised that in "5 years" people would be talking about Mumbai instead of Shanghai.

Politicians are cheaters, all are the same. Our governor sometimes also lies to us. But I think Indians politicians do more cheat.....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Politicians are cheaters, all are the same.

Absolutely yes.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Why open a thread ?...obviously OP should meet CD who is an expert on India.

CD who has travelled the length and breath of India can offer deep insight to the working of our Country.

As of now there is nothing we can learn from each other....whatever we learn cannot be implemented on either sides.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Why open a thread ?...obviously OP should meet CD who is an expert on India.

CD who has travelled the length and breath of India can offer deep insight to the working of our Country.

My conclusions are all obviously my own opinion.

The facts that I have stated stand on their own though, you can try contradicting them if you have the sources.

 

[ghameed]

There are very few things that China should learn from India. To be frank,most of the time, it's the other way around. Anyway, here goes ....

1) The right of the citizen. Despite rampant corruption,mafia, gangs and political influence, one thing that hasn't changed for the past 65 odd years is the right of the citizen. The citizen of India is supreme. The constitution protects him to the hilt. He can boldly take the government to court over what he feels is an injustice to his life or to the society. The Right to information act only makes him stronger in today's world.

2)To respect one's culture or religion. India is diverse. Very diverse. However, we unanimously consider ourselves as Indians rather than any ethnic or religious community and for the most part are united when it comes to international issues. There is also a growing sense of respect to the fellow human being which bodes well for the entire country.I think this is also present to a certain extent in China.

3) To have a logical dialogue over every single issue under the sky. We Indians do that a lot. In fact, it has been ingrained in us from the ancient ages. We are not afraid to voice our opinion on a huge range of topics. You can find people discussing and arguing for their points of view at all strata of the Society ( from television stations to the local tea shops) . This usually makes for a very intelligent population.

Regarding English proficiency, it's nothing great to boast about. A majority of the Indians, though conversant in English , are rather poor at it's usage. Nevertheless , 300 million + people speak it with an acceptable level of fluency. You will be able to notice vast differences in the fluency and accents, as you move from the North to the South. A majority of the schools in all Big cities and Towns have English as their principal mode of instruction. Colonialism and servility for over 200 years have left behind a rather ugly scar on Indian society. The scar i'm talking about, is that of people considering Fluency in English as a sign of good upbringing and social progression. This in turn provides an impetus for Indians to learn the language.

Everything else, I feel, India has to learn from China. Infrastructure, Education, Politics and Governance are some of the issues that I can think of.

 

[faithfulguy]

How about during the rush hours, if the bus is too crowded, send the people who can't fit into the bus to the top of the bus.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is a pleasant surprise to read such practical, goal-oriented posts by Chinese members, until we see that the three represented are among the most thoughtful individuals.

About English education in India, I am hopeful that other members will reply. In essence, English is taught in school, but in a number of different ways. A school is responsible for sending up students for graduating examinations at the end of class 10.a number of school leaving examinations are available, of which the most 'English' is the iCSE, the Indian Certificate Of Secondary Education. This will give you a flavour:

http://www.cisce.org/Notice-Board/ICSE-TIMETABLE-2012.pdf

Besides, there is an examination run by the central government, the CBSE, the Central Board of Secondary Education. A look at their web-site will bring you a flavour of the different approaches.

Central Board of Secondary Education

Since the central government runs a lot of schools, especially oriented to the needs of children whose parents, in government service or in the military, may have to shift from place to place throughout India as their organization's policies dictate, such a central board was needed.

And, of course, every state has its own board.

Each board has its own idea of when to introduce English. The ICSE, as a successor of the erstwhile Senior Cambridge examinations, run by the University of Cambridge, has it from the beginning. Other boards may start with the mother tongue and switch three or four years later.

This is about the mechanics of the schooling process.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

My conclusions are all obviously my own opinion.

The facts that I have stated stand on their own though, you can try contradicting them if you have the sources.

I think your opinion is the only opinion that matters...I am sure your 16600 posts have nothing but facts and figures.

Why am i trying to waste my time contradicting you ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL, if we want to learn democracy we will learn it from Switzerland or Canada, i.e. democracies that actually work.

The India model seems to be doing the opposite of that.

Less than kind, less than accurate. Let it pass. This is too positive a thread to pick bones.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So says an Indian, even though the most powerful person in your country is a white European Catholic.

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Please tell me why anyone would want to learn democracy from India instead of Switzerland? So they can have more poverty/malnutrition than Africa as well?

Face it, India is not exactly a case study of the benefits of democracy. Even Indians don't think so.

I really feel you should stay with the broad topic. My respect for your normal balance and clarity of expression restrains a lot that I would otherwise say.

#2

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Less than kind, less than accurate. Let it pass. This is too positive a thread to pick bones.

Kindness is reciprocal. You give some and you get some.

All I've seen from Indians in the past few days is the opposite, so I'm just returning the favour.

Do you know how many Democracies there are in the world? Why would we learn democracy from the one big country (India) that performs worse than us on pretty much every single development indicator?

When there are hundreds of other Democracies that actually seem to be doing something right?

 

[faithfulguy]

There are very few things that China should learn from India. To be frank,most of the time, it's the other way around. Anyway, here goes ....

1) The right of the citizen. Despite rampant corruption,mafia, gangs and political influence, one thing that hasn't changed for the past 65 odd years is the right of the citizen. The citizen of India is supreme. The constitution protects him to the hilt. He can boldly take the government to court over what he feels is an injustice to his life or to the society. The Right to information act only makes him stronger in today's world.

2)To respect one's culture or religion. Indian is diverse. Very diverse. However, we unanimously consider ourselves as Indians rather than any ethnic or religious community and for the most part are united when it comes to international issues. There is also a growing sense of respect to the fellow human being which bodes well for the entire country.I think this is also present to a certain extent in China.

3) To have a logical dialogue over every single issue under the sky. We Indians do that a lot. In fact, it has been ingrained in us from the ancient ages. We are not afraid to voice our opinion on a huge range of topics. You can find people discussing and arguing for their points of view at all strata of the Society ( from television stations to the local tea shops)

Regarding English proficiency, it's nothing great to speak of. A majority of the Indians, though they speak English, are rather poor at it's usage. Nevertheless , 300 million + people speak it with an acceptable level of fluency. You will be able to notice vast differences in the fluency and accents, as you move from the North to the South. A majority of the schools in all Big cities and Towns have English as their principal mode of instruction. Colonialism and servility for over 200 years have left behind a rather ugly scar on Indian society. The scar i'm speaking abuot, is that of people considering Fluency in English as a sign of good upbringing and social progression. This in turn provides an impetus for Indians to learn the language.

Everything else, I feel, India has to learn from China. Infrastructure, Education, Politics and Governance are some of the issues that I can think of.

India has succeeded what Europe had failed, which is to create a nation out of many out countries, language, and such a diverse people. Even though the Brits unified India, the fact that India remains intact after lmost 65 years is a miracle in itself.

 

[harpoon]

Free Press

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Free Press

Finally a suggestion that makes sense.

Though both China and India are at the bottom end of the Press Freedom Index, below rank 100.

I'd argue that China could learn more from HK on this issue, since we have the 2nd best ranking in Asia on the index.

 

[faithfulguy]

Free Press

I can't speak for India. But in the US the press sometimes create the news themselves by cutting and paste a speech or statements.