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What Britain’s Muslims Really Think… Is That Nothing Is Ever Their Fault
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by JAMES DELINGPOLE 14 Apr 2016

In a Channel 4 documentary called What Britain’s Muslims Really Think, presenter Trevor Phillips presented survey evidence suggesting that large numbers of British Muslims don’t want to integrate and dislike Jews and that many thousands of them support extremist views including terrorism and suicide bombing.

The British Muslim community has responded in the usual way…

Smear the polling company

“Lets not forget ICM is one of the polling companies that wrongly predicted the 2015 general election. The stats just don’t hold enough weight.” (Nazia, 35, W. Yorkshire)

Cast doubt on the methodology

“Other issues include the fact that the study targeted areas that were at least 20% Muslim and a large chunk of the sample were born abroad. If the study was conducted where English is not widely spoken, how do we know the participants fully understood what they were being asked?” (Nazia, 35, W. Yorkshire)

Hint that even asking these questions is divisive and Islamophobic

What is going to happen to our stated desire to build robust social cohesion if we keep singling out British Muslims as unique special cases? And what is it that is really underlying such constant scrutiny? (Rachel Shabi, Al Jazeera)

Nothing to do with Islam. It’s ‘cultural’, innit?

Moreover, Trevor Philips and the show portrayed segregated schools as an Islamic problem, that somehow where a school finds itself admitting children of a certain colour, that it is a religious issue. I would argue that this is a cultural and geographical issue and conflating religion with state school segregation is ridiculous. (Ibraham Ilyas, 18, Birmingham)

There’s no such thing as a ‘Muslim’

Being a Shia Muslim I wish Wahhabi or Salafi elements of society weren’t able to answer on my behalf. (Zaynab Mirza, 32, London)

I have a degree in social sciences, majoring in grievance studies

“We were presented in an extremely negative light. We were othered.” (Ismail, 32, Dewsbury)

Some Muslims are doctors, nurses, and teachers – so that makes everything nice

The show did not look at all at the positive contribution Muslims have made to Britain; that we serve as doctors, nurses, teachers and we actually aid the community we live in. (white convert Sarah Ward Khan, 36, London)

Whatabout…?

None of this is to give sexism, homophobia or any other prejudices a free pass. Nobody is suggesting that it’s brilliant that a minority of British Muslims support stoning – or, for that matter, that 45 percent of the overall British population would bring back hanging. (Rachel Shabi, Al Jazeera)

Lovely Nadija from Great British Bake Off make everything nice

But when there are 13 Muslim MPs, a British Muslim candidate for mayor of London, aMuslim dragon in the Dragons’ Den, and a Muslim winner of the Great British Bake Off, it seems that in reality, Muslims are very much part of British society. (Miqdaad Versi, Muslim Council of Britain)

Nothing to do with Islam. Did we mention this already? Well, it isn’t. And here’s some made-up stasticoids from a parti-pris organisation with affiliations to the Muslim Brotherhood…

The Muslim Council of Britain’s own research has shown that far more serious concerns relate to poverty, gender, criminality and Islamophobia. (Miqdaad Versi, Muslim Council of Britain)

Have you noticed something glaringly absent from these responses?

At no point does anyone seem to be suggesting that there is a serious problem here which Muslims need to address.

Perhaps there isn’t.

Perhaps, for example, you think it’s perfectly OK that – as the programme reported – a nine-year old boy at one of the Trojan Horse schools in Birmingham suggested that his middle-aged Muslim headmistress was a “slag” because she wasn’t wearing a headscarf.

Or that boys at the same Birmingham state primary school would act like religious police and clout girls not wearing the veil over the head.

Or that there are now 85 Sharia councils in Britain which – according to Zurich professor Elham Manea, herself a Muslim – are enforcing on Muslim communities (especially with regard to marriage) a version of Islam as extreme as that practised by the Taliban or in Manea’s native Yemen.

Or that over 40 per cent of the mosques in Britain are controlled by the Deobandis, promoters of the same form of fundamentalist Islam as the Taliban.

Or that in part two of BBC Radio 4’s excellent investigation into the Deobandis, researchers found literature in a London mosque aggressively promoting the kind of hatred against the supposedly heretical Ahmadi sect which led to the recent murder of a peaceful Muslim Glasgow shopkeeper?

Call me an Islamophobe but I’m not sure that any of the above represent shining examples of a community that is bending over backwards to accommodate itself with the host culture.

Isn’t about time we heard a bit more from British Muslims about what they plan to do remedy this?

I worry, you see, that if they’re not careful that harmless, peace-loving religion of theirs might start to get a bad rap.


 
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You're absolutely right. Muslims must act like their socially and morally superior Jewish brethren:
Leaders of ultra-Orthodox Jewish group in London threaten to ban women from driving
Illegal Jewish schools: Government knew about council faith school cover-up as thousands of pupils 'disappeared'


The fact of the matter is that there are just as many Jewish, Hindu, Christian as well as atheist individuals as well as groups that are just as anti socially integrated as some Muslims. The only difference is news about Muslims is in fashion and it sells by hysteria.
 
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muslims are better integrated to british soceity than jews ... in any case they should remove religion based schools altogether... that includes anglican and catholic schools...
 
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muslims are better integrated to british soceity than jews ... in any case they should remove religion based schools altogether... that includes anglican and catholic schools...


Erghhhh no.....those are here for many centuries.Might as well remove the Queen...People must adapt to the UK not the UK to the new arrivals.

Anyway,I could have told you the results of this survey before opinion polls were made,it's just an elephant in the room.
 
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by JAMES DELINGPOLE 14 Apr 2016
Yup lets ask a Muslim what a Zionist would be thinking and publish it! ;)
survey evidence suggesting that large numbers of British Muslims don’t want to integrate and dislike Jews and that many thousands of them support extremist views including terrorism and suicide bombing.
What does disliking Jews have to do with integrating? Making this about Jews again? Seems like Zionists like you make everything about yourselves! World doent revolve around you....

those are here for many centuries.
and so has Islam in 1 form or the other...Trading, conquest....

Christians took a longer time in plundering people than settling in....

watch this:


When you go around plundering people, taking them from their land to work on your railway and other industries, you invited them and hence the task to integrate falls on you....When you grant asylum, they pledge allegiance to you and that allegiance comes with the backing that UK will be responsible for them as it is for its citizen ...that is the only way you get allegiance...now if you dont do your work....

When you accept Refugee the same responsibility falls on the "host" hence why it is called a "host"!

When they accumulate into communities of their own that shows pure failure to integrate...Check how Norway does it....
 
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Yup lets ask a Muslim what a Zionist would be thinking and publish it! ;)

What does disliking Jews have to do with integrating? Making this about Jews again? Seems like Zionists like you make everything about yourselves! World doent revolve around you....


and so has Islam in 1 form or the other...Trading, conquest....

Christians took a longer time in plundering people than settling in....

watch this:


When you go around plundering people, taking them from their land to work on your railway and other industries, you invited them and hence the task to integrate falls on you....When you grant asylum, they pledge allegiance to you and that allegiance comes with the backing that UK will be responsible for them as it is for its citizen ...that is the only way you get allegiance...now if you dont do your work....

When you accept Refugee the same responsibility falls on the "host" hence why it is called a "host"!

When they accumulate into communities of their own that shows pure failure to integrate...Check how Norway does it....


Looks like it all the responsibility falls on the host,none whatsoever on the parasyti...ergh,sry...guest.
 
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Looks like it all the responsibility falls on the host,none whatsoever on the parasyti...ergh,sry...guest.
well it does ONCE the host has done its job....

Why didnt Norway fail? No one asks that! Coz their govt made it their job to integrate the people!
 
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well it does ONCE the host has done its job....

Why didnt Norway fail? No one asks that! Coz their govt made it their job to integrate the people!


You know what I did when I moved to the UK ? I've occupied my time searching how should I act,what is different from here,etc.I don't even want to think the research i'll do if i go to S. Arabia.People accepted by other nations,especially richer nations than their own should adjust not begg for facilities.

It's not really hard you know,you think that i didn't find it weird to constantly thank the bus driver for opening the door ?:)))) ....you just have to want it,some only want to live inside their own tribe.
 
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Looks like it all the responsibility falls on the host,none whatsoever on the parasyti...ergh,sry...guest.
I have no problem in UK throwing out some brown people...How about starting with those thugs who are wanted in their own countries for killing their own people...If they can make a living out of killing their own in the past....what do you think they are doing with "host" who are not even their own?

Then we can also stop stereotyping (this was presented in EU commissioner added it to the EU laws not that anyone is following)....THAT attitude did no one good....In America alone soo many blacks and browns have been falsely prosecuted over nothing ....Some even as simple as their name being similar to some terrorist...Like saying every Carlos from Spain and Italy should be screened extra coz of his name! Or every Kumar from India!

Then we can also talk about their druggy laws...What is with giving that much welfare, just for the sake of bad mouthing Asia? I mean some who seriously need it are still on the streets while lazy *** people are building mansions? Where is the checking? - this points to the laws and if they are flawed people will take advantage

You can also throw out all the White people who are living off welfare, and it isnt a small % probably half or similar to the brown %

You can also throw out hate preachers like the famous Anjem Chaudry whatever ...Who doesnt even have any degree in Islam or anything related to it! YET BBC chooses him every time for his opinion, why? Its like asking the butcher for surgical procedures!

You know what I did when I moved to the UK ? I've occupied my time searching how should I act,what is different from here,etc.I don't even want to think the research i'll do if i go to S. Arabia.People accepted by other nations,especially richer nations than their own should adjust not begg for facilities.
Well
(1) SOME of the Brown people in UK moved there during British Raj....some were brought there for low wage jobs...When you bring em, you are responsible for them!
Until and unless you are dragged to another country like Saudi on low paid jobs I dont see what you are comparing!


(2) SOME were granted political asylum like Altaf Hussain, now if he can run gangs in Pakistan and kill his own people, how much shit will he give to white people who arent his own?
(3) Why UK tolerates and in fact makes famous hate preachers like the famous Anjem Chaudry whatever ...Who doesnt even have any degree in Islam or anything related to it! YET BBC chooses him every time for his opinion, why? Its like asking the butcher for surgical procedures!

Now (2) and (3) are just basic BS who are sitting in UK whom the UK actually protects and makes famous! So I dont think it is wise for UK to actually stereotype brown people when it protects convicts or murderers! These are 2 from the top of my head from Pakistan...I dont even want to know how many from OTHER countries! Esp African nations are being protected ....and then UK wonders why crime rate is up? You protect a criminal and then wonder why crimes are going up? Kind of stupid!

But painting everyone like that is equally stupid!

As for begging facilities...THAT too is UK's fault for not checking their own welfare! In Scandinavia, there are people who come to check but they give you more lessons on how to land a job then check if you got the job and unplug you from welfare! In UK you could be on welfare for more than 2 decades and no one would check! NOW THAT IS AGAIN the problem of the law...if you have a loophole someone will poke their finger in!
 
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I have no problem in UK throwing out some brown people...How about starting with those thugs who are wanted in their own countries for killing their own people...If they can make a living out of killing their own in the past....what do you think they are doing with "host" who are not even their own?

Then we can also stop stereotyping (this was presented in EU commissioner added it to the EU laws not that anyone is following)....THAT attitude did no one good....In America alone soo many blacks and browns have been falsely prosecuted over nothing ....Some even as simple as their name being similar to some terrorist...Like saying every Carlos from Spain and Italy should be screened extra coz of his name! Or every Kumar from India!

Then we can also talk about their druggy laws...What is with giving that much welfare, just for the sake of bad mouthing Asia? I mean some who seriously need it are still on the streets while lazy *** people are building mansions? Where is the checking? - this points to the laws and if they are flawed people will take advantage

You can also throw out all the White people who are living off welfare, and it isnt a small % probably half or similar to the brown %

You can also throw out hate preachers like the famous Anjem Chaudry whatever ...Who doesnt even have any degree in Islam or anything related to it! YET BBC chooses him every time for his opinion, why? Its like asking the butcher for surgical procedures!


Well
(1) SOME of the Brown people in UK moved there during British Raj....some were brought there for low wage jobs...When you bring em, you are responsible for them!
Until and unless you are dragged to another country like Saudi on low paid jobs I dont see what you are comparing!


(2) SOME were granted political asylum like Altaf Hussain, now if he can run gangs in Pakistan and kill his own people, how much shit will he give to white people who arent his own?
(3) Why UK tolerates and in fact makes famous hate preachers like the famous Anjem Chaudry whatever ...Who doesnt even have any degree in Islam or anything related to it! YET BBC chooses him every time for his opinion, why? Its like asking the butcher for surgical procedures!

Now (2) and (3) are just basic BS who are sitting in UK whom the UK actually protects and makes famous! So I dont think it is wise for UK to actually stereotype brown people when it protects convicts or murderers! These are 2 from the top of my head from Pakistan...I dont even want to know how many from OTHER countries! Esp African nations are being protected ....and then UK wonders why crime rate is up? You protect a criminal and then wonder why crimes are going up? Kind of stupid!

But painting everyone like that is equally stupid!

As for begging facilities...THAT too is UK's fault for not checking their own welfare! In Scandinavia, there are people who come to check but they give you more lessons on how to land a job then check if you got the job and unplug you from welfare! In UK you could be on welfare for more than 2 decades and no one would check! NOW THAT IS AGAIN the problem of the law...if you have a loophole someone will poke their finger in!

I'm on my 7th beer so i'll check this epic wall of text tommorow if you don't mind.
 
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As for begging facilities...THAT too is UK's fault for not checking their own welfare! In Scandinavia, there are people who come to check but they give you more lessons on how to land a job then check if you got the job and unplug you from welfare! In UK you could be on welfare for more than 2 decades and no one would check! NOW THAT IS AGAIN the problem of the law...if you have a loophole someone will poke their finger in!
here it's impossible to work while being on welfare. The welfare workers would send you jail if you do that. In Germany, UK IT'S the completely normal to be on welfare and working.

I'm on my 7th beer so i'll check this epic wall of text tommorow if you don't mind.
It's haram to consume bear haha
 
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It's not really hard you know,you think that i didn't find it weird to constantly thank the bus driver for opening the door ?:)))) ....you just have to want it,some only want to live inside their own tribe.
THAT is a problem and why Europe was criticized ....it didnt "integrate" the people...meaning disallow them to form ghetto and force them to ONLY get housing in mixed areas! THAT is how you integrate not push them to suburbs where people of similar earnings get together....for sure new comers cant compete in sterling pounds!

Just for once pick up and check the loopholes in the laws of European nations....it doesnt take a rocket scientist to find the holes!

For asylum seekers it can cause a headache a serious one!

Many countries in Asia just let the people die on the streets...Europe said no we are human and we portrayed themselves as saviors of human rights! THIS is why people flooded it...HOWEVER, if you are not what you speak, it will show eventually!

1 example that current researchers and experts use is Molenbeek....it has been isolated, ignored completely, that is not integration that is alienation and isolation....Perfect place to do and hide criminal activities!

here it's impossible to work while being on welfare. The welfare workers would send you jail if you do that. In Germany, UK IT'S the completely normal to be on welfare and working.
Like I said earlier I have minimum knowledge about Norway's integration system...I had rented an apartment from an old Norwegian couple. The husband was a professor in Norway and the wife a lecturer in Norway...The wife a very jolly woman loved to talk about Norway and I being an expat told me about the integration....hence my limited knowledge from hearsay (from her) rather than studied (as of other European countries)

On this forum ? Or should i watch for the sharia patrol in Eltham ? :undecided::P
He is just pulling your leg ;) there are Muslims here living in Islamic republic of Pakistan who brag about drinking... ;)
 
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THAT is a problem and why Europe was criticized ....it didnt "integrate" the people...meaning disallow them to form ghetto and force them to ONLY get housing in mixed areas! THAT is how you integrate not push them to suburbs where people of similar earnings get together....for sure new comers cant compete in sterling pounds!

Just for once pick up and check the loopholes in the laws of European nations....it doesnt take a rocket scientist to find the holes!

For asylum seekers it can cause a headache a serious one!

Many countries in Asia just let the people die on the streets...Europe said no we are human and we portrayed themselves as saviors of human rights! THIS is why people flooded it...HOWEVER, if you are not what you speak, it will show eventually!

1 example that current researchers and experts use is Molenbeek....it has been isolated, ignored completely, that is not integration that is alienation and isolation....Perfect place to do and hide criminal activities!


Like I said earlier I have minimum knowledge about Norway's integration system...I had rented an apartment from an old Norwegian couple. The husband was a professor in Norway and the wife a lecturer in Norway...The wife a very jolly woman loved to talk about Norway and I being an expat told me about the integration....hence my limited knowledge from hearsay (from her) rather than studied (as of other European countries)


He is just pulling your leg ;) there are Muslims here living in Islamic republic of Pakistan who brag about drinking... ;)


8th one now...sure as hell that I won't read this.I'll do it on Sunday night though as tommorow i'm travelling back home.
 
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