What Are "Concentration Camps", Why The US Border Facilities Are 'Concentration Camps,'

[beijingwalker]

What Are "Concentration Camps", The definition of Concentration Camps And Why The US Border Facilities Are 'Concentration Camps,' According To According To History

 

[beijingwalker]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Calls Out U.S. ‘Concentration Camps’

 

[Itachi]

@Dubious @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Indos @OsmanAli98

I predicted this behavior....trying to point fingers at others to hide their own dark secrets.

While the US is very much at fault here, this does not hide the fact that China does the same thing.

 

[beijingwalker]

@Dubious @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Indos @OsmanAli98

I predicted this behavior....trying to point fingers at others to hide their own dark secrets.

While the US is very much at fault here, this does not hide the fact that China does the same thing.

This thread is not about China.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This thread is not about China.

Indeed, US >>>>> China when it comes to attacking, occupying, starving other countries, and treating their own minorities and defenseless people around the world as nothing more than collateral.

There is no comparison. The way the US administration treats children and women in those detention centers is atrocious. Rape, abuse, neglect, and murder is rife.

Still those camps are closed to the public.

 

[Itachi]

This thread is not about China.

I'm very curious as to why you made this thread while we were discussing China...

It plainly comes out as a effort to paint another country in a bad light while not even acknowledging your own concentration camps.

 

[beijingwalker]

I'm very curious as to why you made this thread while we were discussing China...

It plainly comes out as a effort to paint another country in a bad light while not even acknowledging your own concentration camps.

I made many threads about US on PDF, just in case you don't know, please don't try to derail every thread.

 

[gambit]

No, these detention centers are not 'concentration camps'. Not in the accepted context of the words.

For starter...You can be detained without being charged because you broke a law. A conviction came only after a charge and a trial. But the initial detention is legitimate for many reasons, from for your own safety to for the victim's safety to preventing your escape. So being detained by itself is not immoral.

Next...Every country have the right and duty to control access to its territory. If a country observes borders, then that right and duty are inherent. From that perspective, every country have the same right and duty to insist that entry in specific manners be observed. If neighbors are friendly enough then they have the right to ignore borders if they chose, but non-observance in specific circumstances does not negate those right and duty.

Next...These detention centers are for returning illegal immigrants to their original countries, not for killing them. Some maybe allowed entry, but overall, the US want to return them to their original countries.

So to say that these detention centers are 'concentration camps' in the sense of the Nazis did and what China is doing to the Muslims is morally and legally absurd.

 

[beijingwalker]

No, these detention centers are not 'concentration camps'. Not in the accepted context of the words.

For starter...You can be detained without being charged because you broke a law. A conviction came only after a charge and a trial. But the initial detention is legitimate for many reasons, from for your own safety to for the victim's safety to preventing your escape. So being detained by itself is not immoral.

Next...Every country have the right and duty to control access to its territory. If a country observes borders, then that right and duty are inherent. From that perspective, every country have the same right and duty to insist that entry in specific manners be observed. If neighbors are friendly enough then they have the right to ignore borders if they chose, but non-observance in specific circumstances does not negate those right and duty.

Next...These detention centers are for returning illegal immigrants to their original countries, not for killing them. Some maybe allowed entry, but overall, the US want to return them to their original countries.

So to say that these detention centers are 'concentration camps' in the sense of the Nazis did and what China is doing to the Muslims is morally and legally absurd.

I think the main trait for concentration camps is that they hold people for the sake of dentention, not education or correction, so correction centers in US may not be concentration camps, but the ones for immigrants are.

 

[gambit]

I think the main trait for concentration camps is that they hold people for the sake of dentention, not education or correction, so correction centers in US may not be concentration camps, but the ones for immigrants are.

Wrong...As usual...

A 'concentration camp' does detain people, but the context of 'concentration camps' of what the Nazis did for the Jews and China is doing for the Chinese Uyghurs Muslims are long term. The border detention centers are short term, whether to admit some to the US or to return some to their original countries.

Further, a 'concentration camp' have specific political intents, such as to imprison 'enemies of the state', like how the Nazis viewed the Jews and how China views political dissidents. The US-Mexico border detention centers are strictly legal in operation: to hold illegal immigrants.

Stop trying to drag US down to your level.

 

[nahtanbob]

I think the main trait for concentration camps is that they hold people for the sake of dentention, not education or correction, so correction centers in US may not be concentration camps, but the ones for immigrants are.

i am sure an immigrant wanting to return to his native country will be let go
the real problem is that a lot of them do not want to

 

[beijingwalker]

Wrong...As usual...

A 'concentration camp' does detain people, but the context of 'concentration camps' of what the Nazis did for the Jews and China is doing for the Chinese Uyghurs Muslims are long term. The border detention centers are short term, whether to admit some to the US or to return some to their original countries.

Long term? How long, most of those trainess finished the training between 3-6 months depends on the fields which they are trained in.

inal countries.

Further, a 'concentration camp' have specific political intents, such as to imprison 'enemies of the state'

That's exactly what US detain them for.

i am sure an immigrant wanting to return to his native country will be let go
the real problem is that a lot of them do not want to

The video says that many of those detainees are not illegal immigrants.

 

[Goku]

Definition of concentration camp as said in the video : mass detention of civilians without trial - looks familiar

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I'm very curious as to why you made this thread while we were discussing China...

It plainly comes out as a effort to paint another country in a bad light while not even acknowledging your own concentration camps.

@beijingwalker is raising awareness about human rights abuses by the US, and he is doing a service to humanity. I applaud him.

We can keep our own issues aside and discuss these detention centers with the contempt they deserve.

the context of 'concentration camps' of what the Nazis did for the Jews and China is doing for the Chinese Uyghurs Muslims are long term.

What a ridiculous comparison...

How many Uyghurs have been killed in such camps by starvation, gas chambers, firing squad, and medical experimentation?

Whereas US detention centers are ripe full of abuse, rape, and atrocious conditions.

 

[gambit]

That's exactly what US detain them for.

No. They are detained for breaking a common law throughout the word: illegal crossing of borders. They are not 'enemies of the state' in the political sense that your China have.

Timestamp 1:33 have the context of 'concentration camps' and it does not contain illegal border crossing.

The video says that many of those detainees are not illegal immigrants.

Yes, they are. Being a refugee does not negate what you done: broke the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration

...refers to the migration of people into a country in violation of the immigration laws of that country, or the continued residence of people without the legal right to live in that country.

Claiming refugee status may earn you sympathy, but does not absolve you from the guilt of breaking the law.

Concentration camps? We are not China.

Definition of concentration camp as said in the video : mass detention of civilians without trial - looks familiar

See timestamp 1:33.