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Hi,

For the illiterate---@araz had suggested this himself just a few days ago---. That if attacks happen---he will resign from his TT post---.

I am just forwarding his own statement--- Yesterday at 10:46 AM #714

. After open threats of starting a strike---any ingress by enemy forces if an ACT OF WAR---.

So---technically---pakistan and india are at war---.
 
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Hi,

For the illiterate---@araz had suggested this himself just a few days ago---. That if attacks happen---he will resign from his TT post---.

I am just forwarding his own statement--- Yesterday at 10:46 AM #714

. After open threats of starting a strike---any ingress by enemy forces if an ACT OF WAR---.

So---technically---pakistan and india are at war---.

Bullshit.

Regards, 'Joe'
 
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@WebMaster

It is hereby requested that cowards and weakling like @araz be terminated from their perspective position of being Think Tank member of this forum---.

They have done enough damage to the cause of Pakistan's defense by their deceitful analysis---.
Having contrary opinion doesn't make one weak or coward, you of all people should realize that. @araz is one of the better members here to read.
 
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Hi,

For the illiterate---@araz had suggested this himself just a few days ago---. That if attacks happen---he will resign from his TT post---.

I am just forwarding his own statement--- Yesterday at 10:46 AM #714

. After open threats of starting a strike---any ingress by enemy forces if an ACT OF WAR---.

So---technically---pakistan and india are at war---.

These "attacks" and "all out war" are completely different things.

We haven't had an "all out war" for a long time now....not even Kargil counts as one....and Kargil was lot more involved/intense/escalated than the recent few months or whatever...and the months to come I believe too.
 
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Having contrary opinion doesn't make one weak or coward, you of all people should realize that. @araz is one of the better members here to read.

Hi,

Having a WEAK PERSONALITY in a position of power is a damning liabilty---.

Putting his integrity at stake by claiming that the arch enemy won't start a war when it has already stated that it would---it is time that he swallows his medicine---.

Maybe @Joe Shearer did not understand that---but that is what Araz did---.

Now drink up from the bowl---.
 
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I say we fire @MastanKhan from these forums so he can go outside and breathe some fresh air.
 
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Hi,

Having a WEAK PERSONALITY in a position of power is a damning liabilty---.

Putting his integrity at stake by claiming that the arch enemy won't start a war when it has already stated that it would---it is time that he swallows his medicine---.

Maybe @Joe Shearer did not understand that---but that is what Araz did---.

Now drink up from the bowl---.
I dont think there is any need to for anyone to defend @araz he is quite capable of doing it himself, as for weakness, thats just your opinion. just like what you perceive as the declaration of the war. Now just because people differ from your assessment won't justify name-calling.
 
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These "attacks" and "all out war" are completely different things.

We haven't had an "all out war" for a long time now....not even Kargil counts as one....and Kargil was lot more involved/intense/escalated than the recent few months or whatever...and the months to come I believe too.


Hi,

This is an all out war---just because it has not started full fledged---does not mean that the war has not started---.

We are in a state of war now---till any treaties of peace are signed---.

I say we fire @MastanKhan from these forums so he can go outside and breathe some fresh air.

Don't ride my back son---start your own campaign---.
 
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Hi,

This is an all out war---just because it has not started full fledged---does not mean that the war has not started---.

We are in a state of war now---till any treaties of peace are signed---.
Again, no such declaration. So still peacetime irrespective of your opinion.
 
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Hi,

This is an all out war---just because it has not started full fledged---does not mean that the war has not started---.

We are in a state of war now---till any treaties of peace are signed---.

Well in that case I would postulate under your definition, we have essentially been in a state of war since 1947. In which case nothing has really "started" here....its been around like an unpleasant lingering stench in the region for nearly a century now I suppose.

This definition of war may not match with another's definition....like say @araz (or mine, or joe's or whoever's).

It would be prudent to clarify on all of this before making bets about "leaving" forum or whatever other action etc.
 
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Well in that case I would postulate under your definition, we have essentially been in a state of war since 1947. In which case nothing has really "started" here....its been around like an unpleasant lingering stench in the region for nearly a century now I suppose.

This definition of war may not match with another's definition....like say @araz (or mine, or joe's or whoever's).

It would be prudent to clarify on all of this before making bets about "leaving" forum or whatever other action etc.

Hi,

That is why in matters of love and hate---never say never---.

Never underestimate the enemy---.

Araz underestimated the resolve of the indians---he openly insulted and disgraced the indians---he basically put them in a position of cowardice---courageless---people with no back bone---.

That is what he positioned you and and your country men---and you guys are here protecting him---three most senior and respected members on this board from across the border---.

How about you @Joe Shearer ---tell me---have I ever taken you indians for granted---have I ever insulted your integrity and resolve---have I ever disrespected your braves---have I ever stated that indians are not capable to fight---have I ever disrespected your soldiers---I very much doubt so---.

He just did---he stated in his own way that your 40 soldiers are dead and you as a country do not have the gal to revenge those 40 against the country you are putting a blame on---.
 
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Hi,

That is why in matters of love and hate---never say never---.

Never underestimate the enemy---.

Araz underestimated the resolve of the indians---he openly insulted and disgraced the indians---he basically put them in a position of cowardice---courageless---people with no back bone---.

That is what he positioned you and and your country men---and you guys are here protecting him---three most senior and respected members on this board from across the border---.

How about you @Joe Shearer ---tell me---have I ever taken you indians for granted---have I ever insulted your integrity and resolve---have I ever disrespected your braves---have I ever stated that indians are not capable to fight---have I ever disrespected your soldiers---I very much doubt so---.

He just did---he stated in his own way that your 40 soldiers are dead and you as a country do not have the gal to revenge those 40 against the country you are putting a blame on---.

I'm sorry....I don't have much to go on (context wise) past what I saw (what you pointed me to) about all-out war talk that may have happened before the current juncture.

Like I just noticed I have araz on "follow" so something he said at some point must have impressed me positively (that is generally the criterion I use for that). What he has said at whatever other time regarding Indians and whomever else....well that is not really the subject here to begin with....neither am I all that interested in seeking out posting histories of every single person on this forum on every issue of note. That's a slippery slope for all of us to use....we've all said some pretty nasty things at some point about someone....whether serious or joking. God knows I have....so it would be very unfair for me to use that standard to silence another.

Not really protecting him either, he can protect himself I am sure. Just pointing out there is no point making an example with pitchfork mob on something that has upset that mob on whatever issue. There should be basic consistent standards for all. This forum has already seen too many pitchfork mobs about all kinds of things, and some have swayed the powers that be here away from firmer ground....which is something I do not care for at all (but I let be given its just online forum in the end and not a huge real life thing governing our destinies).
 
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OP, this is an internet discussion forum. If you disagree with someone's assessment of a situation or a fact, attack his arguments while providing your own. Attacking the person himself does not really elevate your position.
 
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Hi,

Having a WEAK PERSONALITY in a position of power is a damning liabilty---.

Putting his integrity at stake by claiming that the arch enemy won't start a war when it has already stated that it would---it is time that he swallows his medicine---.

Maybe @Joe Shearer did not understand that---but that is what Araz did---.

Now drink up from the bowl---.

What I wanted to say was that, as (@Nilgiri? @MilSpec?) has already pointed out, this is not war; even Kargil was not war. There have been acts like this before, elsewhere in the world as well as in the sub-continent; it was the worst-kept secret in the world that the IA and the PA raided each other across the LOC, for instance. Kargil was an extreme instance of this case.

My objection, or exclamation on record, or whatever you wish to call it, other than war, was to the description: we are not at war. Not yet.

As to how you treat one of your own and someone that we consider among the keenest minds and finest characters among the members is for you to decide. Speaking for myself, it is not my business.

Hi,

That is why in matters of love and hate---never say never---.

Never underestimate the enemy---.

Araz underestimated the resolve of the indians---he openly insulted and disgraced the indians---he basically put them in a position of cowardice---courageless---people with no back bone---.

That is what he positioned you and and your country men---and you guys are here protecting him---three most senior and respected members on this board from across the border---.

Yes.

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
Words cannot hurt me.

Think of the number of things that @Areesh has said about me; would I not fly to his defence if he was unfairly attacked? Think of Razpak, or whatever he calls himself now; has he failed to lash Indians with his tongue at every opportunity? Do I not treat him with tolerance, even indulgence, like a spirited young man with a strong patriotic character, who thinks (wrongly) that by using foul words towards foul-mouthed Indians, he is standing up for his country? Or think of Atanz? Have I not brushed aside everything he has had to say, and focussed with laser-sharp focus on his high intellect and enormously evolved understanding?

How about you @Joe Shearer ---tell me---have I ever taken you indians for granted---have I ever insulted your integrity and resolve---have I ever disrespected your braves---have I ever stated that indians are not capable to fight---have I ever disrespected your soldiers---I very much doubt so---.

Never. You are among those honourable and decent Pakistanis who deserves his niche in any pantheon of the noble and chivalrous foe, and I hope you have noticed that I never fail to defend you if the occasion arises.

He just did---he stated in his own way that your 40 soldiers are dead and you as a country do not have the gal to revenge those 40 against the country you are putting a blame on---.

And that is so meaningless an accusation that we ignored - I ignored his statements seeming to denigrate my nation, my religion that I do not practice, my ethnicity that I smile at, my language, my culture, my manhood, my fitness for society, because neither he nor a legion others can make those come true. Those are merely internet compliments, to be laughed at, and disregarded.

Does it make our admiration of your point of view, and respect for it any less? Not at all. The admiration and respect continue unmitigated, but we don't agree on some issues. Macht nichts.
 
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