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Pakistan made weapon systems.

There are too many posts such as why don’t we have an Aircraft carrier, why don’t we build nuclear submarine and now why don’t we design and manufacture all the arms needed by our armed forces? I personally know quite a few among my own family members who are of the opinion that since we managed to make the atom bomb, we can get to the moon; it is the corrupt ruling class & the politicians who are responsible for Pakistan remaining backward.

There is nothing wrong with the question; however it is an indication that most of my compatriots have little or no concept of the pre-requisites of a viable modern arms industry.

No country has unlimited funds, on the political front, the choice is how much of it to allocate these to education, health and general development versus on the Defence. Arms industry requires large funding on Research & Development of arms to keep pace. In Pakistan’s case, where number of tax payers are less than the number of people who travel by air, there is not a lot left over in the Defence Budget to be allocated to the R&D.

There is also the question of economy of scale; if an advanced arms industry is not feasible; only way to get state of the art weaponry is via outright purchase, through joint development and / or producing under licence. Many developed nations have adopted this route to acquire advanced weaponry.

Arms industry always begins with producing small arms and ammunition. Next step being manufacture under license, followed by modifying and improving licensed weapons. Production & developing indigenous weapons is where developing nations fail. I don’t mean to imply that a developing nation cannot have a modern military; only that the weapons will not all be indigenously developed.

For developing countries without an industrial base such as Pakistan; it is an eternal ‘Catch 22’ which to build first; civilian or defence industry? Additionally, to develop new weapons, they must spend money on research and development. There may be lack of will political will to divert scarce resources to the R &D of the armaments industry. Hence one would find that wherever possible, it is much quicker and simpler to purchase technology.

One finds that even when less developed countries managed to produce finished weapons systems, they have been unable to eliminate or even substantially reduce their subordination to foreign suppliers and continue to rely heavily upon foreign inputs for weapons design, engineering and critical components and subsystems. For example Al-Khalid using Ukrainian engine.

Even when producing under license, weapons needed to stay updated is getting onerous because of the skyrocketing cost of advanced weapons. Hence you find that even the governments with sufficient assets continue to exercise cautions before embarking on new and costly weapons procurement programs. (India in case of Rafael)

Countries such as the US, UK & Russia etc. already had an arms industry and infrastructure in place before World War II. Therefore, these countries could focus on upgrading , building new and or more advanced infrastructure, and on the research and development during the cold war years. On the other hand countries such as China were behind technologically and needed to spend a lot more effort on research and development just to catch up. Thus Chinese industry still lags behind the US & Russia in sophisticated weaponry, especially the aircraft engines.

Honourable Hamza quoted example of Iran. Firstly the entire Iranian weapon program involves manufacturing modified versions of the platforms purchased during the Shah's time. Secondly, the Gulf War showed that weapons owned by Iraq were worthless when faced with the advanced arms & equipment of the opposing forces. Mostly likely adversaries of Iran are Saudis & the Israelis. Does one honestly think that Iranian manufactured weapon platforms will stand up to modern arms of the IDF in actual battle?

Even if a nation is “developed”, it does not imply that the country possesses a fully indigenous arms industry. Nor does it follow that when a nation becomes “developed” it will automatically have a domestic state of art arms industry. Even with the infrastructure in place and human capital to build it, some developed nations are having trouble maintaining the advanced arms industry. You see the European nations joining forces to develop state of art fighters such as Typhoon. Additionally, there is a widening military-capabilities gap between the Unites States and rest of the world which even Russia & China are finding hard to catch up such as in Stealth Technology.

Difficulty in domestic arms development is evident from the India’s experience. India’s first attempt to build an indigenous fighter aircraft, the HF-24 Marut, with the help of German designer Kurt Tank, was in the late 1950s. Marut relied on imported parts and materials and was more expensive to produce in India than it would have been to import the complete plane from abroad. The plane was technically obsolete by the time it was first delivered in 1964.

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) has been under development since 1983. Even after 30 years of development, India still depends on foreign help with the engines. Understand it is about to become operational but can it compete with the current 4.5th generation fighters such as Typhoon or Rafael? Fate of the Arjun tank is no different.

One can therefore safely conclude that prospects of the developing nations for developing their own indigenous advanced arms industry are extremely poor. Also that few nations now have the capability to develop and build advanced systems alone. Target of self- sufficiency will most likely fail as second rate weapons stand zero chance of success when faced with an army bristling with the modern weaponry.

When my compatriots ask why can’t we develop our own weapons, I can only comment that in my humble opinion, it is not possible for developing countries such as Pakistan to establish an advanced arms industry .

To have modern military capabilities, Pakistanis have a choice of either buying weapons outright, licensing production of weapons, or pursue joint development of weapon systems with the countries willing to do so.
well put. i would also urge a balance between education/health/infrastructure and weapons industry.
 
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POF PAC and Heavy Complex are doing nice job................
 
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Industry

Pakistan considering import ban on locally available materiel

Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

10 September 2015

A Pakistani senate defence production committee is looking to impose a ban on procuring from abroad defence equipment that can be manufactured within the country.

The Senate Standing Committee on Defence Production made the recommendation following a hearing on 10 September in a bid to support the development of a self-sustaining local defence industrial base.

The committee said the ban would force both the federal and provincial governments in Pakistan to buy locally manufactured equipment. Imports would only be permitted if the required defence articles were not locally available.

The committee heard that in some cases defence equipment that could have been sourced from local industry is imported because the procurement is linked to commissions.
 
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Pakistan Continues Arms Export Efforts

By Usman Ansari 6:19 p.m. EDT October 6, 2015

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan's Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) unveiled a new exhibition center showcasing defense products from the country's public and private sectors in the presence of Defence Production Minister Tanveer Hussain, foreign diplomats and defense officials as part of efforts to increase exports.

Tanveer told guests that Pakistani defense products were internationally competitive, citing the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder as an example. While stating the government was encouraging defense production to further widen economic development, he highlighted the necessity of using the latest technology.

Increased export efforts have been underway for some time. Already experiencing some success has been state-owned conglomerate Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF), a producer of small arms, ammunition and explosives.

During a Monday visit to POF by the Senate Standing Committee on Defence Production, it was revealed that the company that already exports to more than 30 countries had set an export target of over US$100 million this year, its highest ever.

However, committee Chairman Abdul Qayyum highlighted that there is a need to ensure regular recruitment of skilled manpower, modernization of plants and an increased funds for research and development.

The latter has proved problematic for POF, according to a defense industry official who previously spoke to Defense News. This has been exacerbated by POF being run to meet the requirements of the security services first and foremost, with spare capacity utilized for commercial production.

The official has has led to the production of an improved anti-personnel round for the ubiquitous RPG-7 now used by the army in ongoing counter terror/insurgency operations. However, no tandem warhead anti-tank round has been developed to replace the obsolete unitary round still in service, even though it would be commercially successful.

Similarly, development of the PK-8, an improved Heckler & Koch HK33K 5.56mm assault rifle, was abandoned after the army dropped its requirement for a weapon of that exact caliber. The 7.62mm G3S, a carbine/para variant of the army's current G3P4 battle rifle, was ultimately adopted.

He admitted that the lack of a 5.56mm product hampered POF's earning potential, especially in the $5 billion US civilian market, but said little could be done by POF itself as it was dependent on development funds and direction from the government.

Pakistan, however, continues to forge closer defense cooperation links with countries it already has good military relations with. On Monday, the Malaysian army chief, Gen. Tan Sri Raja Mohamed Affandi Bin Raja Mohamed Noor, visited senior defense officials here including the head of Pakistan's army, Gen. Raheel Sharif, during which closer defense cooperation was discussed.

Further improving the already very strong Pakistani-Turkish defense relationship also was discussed recently during a meeting between defense officials from both countries here on Oct. 2 ahead of the 11th High Level Military Dialogue Group scheduled for November.

Pakistan has also sought to increase cooperation with newer partners including the Czech Republic, the deputy defense minister of which, Tomas Kuchta, met Sharif at Army Headquarters Tuesday. Closer defense relations are also being pursued with Poland, but there has been no agreement with that country as of yet.

Though receiving some official promotional help, private-sector companies have hitherto largely forged their own paths.

However, Nooruddin F Daud of Daudsons Armoury, a successful private-sector small arms manufacturer that also supplies bombs and weapon mounts to the military, who attended the DEPO launch, hopes for improvement.

"I am very confident indeed. We have our toe in the door. Now we need the government's assistance," he said.

As to how the government could help the private sector, however, he replied, "The fact has to be realized that each industry and product category has its own peculiar demands and requirements. There can't be blanket rules and assistance."

Daudsons Armoury officials are hopeful their new products – an automatic 40mm grenade launcher, an under-barrel grenade launcher and remote/undercover weapon mount able to be armed with a 7.62mm MG3 machine gun for security posts – will win exports.

However, analyst, author and former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says Pakistan has a strong defense industrial base, but this may not be enough to ensure increased export success.

"Pakistan's defense industry is well-organized and produces high-quality material, especially in the way of ammunition, but the world market is saturated with defense products and it is extremely difficult to break into what is effectively a closed shop," he said.

"So far as Pakistan is concerned the main advantage of indigenous defense production is that it saves money," Cloughley said. "In 2014, domestically produced items had a total value of some $1.5 billion, which otherwise would have had to been spent on buying foreign-made products."

When asked if awarding more government contracts to private firms or revamping tenders for defense equipment to a more US model that selects two proposals from those submitted to fund as prototypes before a final decision is made would be beneficial and possible, he said he did not think so.

"Civilian firms find it hard to access the Pakistan defense forces market, given the unstructured nature of the procurement process. A further complication is an understandable but frustrating preoccupation with information security, which slows down the process even further", he said.

"As things stand, I feel there is no possibility in the foreseeable future that civilian manufacturers will be attracted to manufacture of defense material on a large scale, and will continue to provide modest quantities of minor material," he added.
Email: uansari@defensenews.com
 
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I have a little off topic question ,
@Manticore @DESERT FIGHTER when someone join Army Infantry , can he choose his gun for himself ? or its already assigned by the Army ?? i ask this because in news when i see army guys, they usually have different guns , like G3, variants of Ak's ...
It most likely will depend on what unit you are going to join. Mostly you will get the main battle rifle, G3.
 
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Can somebody give here pictures of H.2 and H.4 TV- IR bombs made by with South African transfer of tecnology to Nescom Pakistan way back 2003......
 
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