Pakistan made weapon systems.

[Joe Katzman]

Fair points, Horus.

I guess what I was getting at is whether Pakistan is best served by the status quo of some indigenous products, partnerships for its own needs, and "well talk to anyone who asks" - or a more focused effort to promote particular defense segments via a sustained push for exports.

 

[Kompromat]

Fair points, Horus.

I guess what I was getting at is whether Pakistan is best served by the status quo of some indigenous products, partnerships for its own needs, and "well talk to anyone who asks" - or a more focused effort to promote particular defense segments via a sustained push for exports.

Neither.

To be honest exports are our secondary concern. The first and foremost objective of Pakistani Defense Industry is to meet the needs of the Army, Air Force, Navy, Rangers, Frontier Corps, Marines, Special Forces, DeltaS and LEAs. You are seeing more exports out of Pakistan because our industry is now growing its capabilities to provide for our defense forces. Last year it crossed $1.5 billion mark.

Saudi Arabia is most likely going to place an order for 150 Al-Khalid-1 Tanks, plus negotiations for JF-17 jets are ongoing. Apart from big ticket items now UAVs, UCAVs, APCs, Soldier's gear, C4ISR systems including radios and other communication equipment, training, services and ammunition are on the menu for exports. We recently saw POF's MP-5 variants being sold to the US civilian market as well. So far i'd say Pakistan is not going in the Joint Venture mode with other states apart from China. Most of the other military industrial business is done on ad hoc basis. I however personally disagree with this approach. We ought be aggressively marketing our military products and highly valuable warfare experience through training programs.

 

[Asian.Century]

Chief of the Army staff testing the Azb DMR - deadly accurate up to 800m -

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Does it not like like Pakistani PSR-90 semi automatic sniper rifle?

To me it luks PSR-90, not AZB or AZAB sniper rifle : http://pof.gov.pk/products/Infantry_Weapons/Semi_Automatic_Precision_Sniper_Rifle_PSR_90/6/

 

[Kompromat]

Does it not like like Pakistani PSR-90 semi automatic sniper rifle?

To me it luks PSR-90, not AZB or AZAB sniper rifle : http://pof.gov.pk/products/Infantry_Weapons/Semi_Automatic_Precision_Sniper_Rifle_PSR_90/6/

No. Its more like PTR-90

 

[Asian.Century]

No. Its more like PTR-90

Yeah something like that, but how did u decide its AZB. It luks similar to AZB, PSR-90 and PTR-90, mixer.

Horus bro, pls check my -ve ratings too: Indians sey dushmani, Ratings AsianUnion has received

 

[Kompromat]

Yeah something like that, but how did u decide its AZB. It luks similar to AZB, PSR-90 and PTR-90, mixer.

Horus bro, pls check my -ve ratings too: Indians sey dushmani, Ratings AsianUnion has received

Muzzle is different and it has a larger mag, different scope elevation, upgraded butt-stock and gas operating mechanism plus the PSR-90 doesn't have pica-tiny rails.

 

[Joe Katzman]

Horus:
"Most of the other military industrial business is done on ad hoc basis. I however personally disagree with this approach. We ought be aggressively marketing our military products and highly valuable warfare experience through training programs."​

I agree with that. At present, this is only being monetized at a personal level, when trained individuals find other sources of employment. Something more organized would be good, and the need may become obvious soon in Yemen.

It would not surprise me to see the Saudis replace their "French division" tanks with Al-Khalids. It would surprise me if they bought JF-17s, given their force structure, but American irrationality means that you can't exclude any possibilities nowadays.

 

[Sinnerman108]

It's a long and interesting list, especially the Burraq UAV/missile combination. A number of middle eastern countries could use that capability these days.

Pakistan has consistently shamed India by rolling out programs that don't overreach, then executing and fielding useful equipment. The stories of the JF-17 vs. the Tejas, or Pakistan's tank development vs. Arjun iterations, make for very invidious comparisons.

The relevant question is how Pakistan wants to move forward. There's a growing global trend of non-aligned arms providers, who are beginning to roll out sophisticated weapons for export. Pakistan and India have potential offerings, as do Brazil, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, and the UAE. I call the trend "Hyundaization", per my April 6th article in the Wall St. Journal.

(I can't post the URL - but anyone determined to find it can do so easily.)

The question for Pakistan, I think is how to wants to play in that environment. As a Chinese partner and conduit into OIC countries? As more of an independent player, perhaps in conjunction with Turkey and the UAE? Which areas are worthy of Pakistan's export focus? Why?

Pakistan's role could be that of a system integrator, if one talks in IT lingo.

A system integrator can be partner to IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, CA at the same time. They take off the shelf products and tweak them enough to make them work together thus surpassing the individual product's capabilities in any given customer environment.

We have the mindset and the capability to do just that.
contrary to your hyundization analogy, I would like to think of this as the PC revolution. More and more companies will produce smaller individual products and it is upto the customer to put them together to form a bigger weapons.

 

[Joe Katzman]

Pakistan's role could be that of a system integrator, if one talks in IT lingo.

A system integrator can be partner to IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, CA at the same time. They take off the shelf products and tweak them enough to make them work together thus surpassing the individual product's capabilities in any given customer environment.

We have the mindset and the capability to do just that.
contrary to your hyundization analogy, I would like to think of this as the PC revolution. More and more companies will produce smaller individual products and it is upto the customer to put them together to form a bigger weapons.

Hmm. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a full PC model in the arms trade, given all the gatekeepers involved. It sounds like it could be a really interesting point, though. Can you offer an example that helps me see this idea in action?

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hmm. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a full PC model in the arms trade, given all the gatekeepers involved. It sounds like it could be a really interesting point, though. Can you offer an example that helps me see this idea in action?

Sensors made in Korea
Processors in malaysia
Coded in Pakistan
Gyroscopes in South Africa
Fuselage in Turkey.

get it ?

 

[Joe Katzman]

Sensors made in Korea
Processors in malaysia
Coded in Pakistan
Gyroscopes in South Africa
Fuselage in Turkey.

get it ?

Sort of. This is true of many defense products, but once you reach to the level of, say, a fighter jet, there are other considerations.

You can do this sort of thing as an upgrade specialist. Turkey's TAI does. But you need the permission of the OEM and its parent country to do it. That isn't a bad way to start, though you have to pick the right products that will generate their own demand among your likely customers. Turkey picked "F-16s in the Islamic world," not a bad choice.

If you are becoming the fighter OEM then you're more than a PC manufacturer, you're heavily immersed in design. You're also responsible for providing a competitive set of weapon integrations, financing, overseas support services, etc. Military weapons are never really commodity products, and you need a lot of commitment and investment to lay the foundations as a successful exporter.

The advantages are not small. Lower cost of purchase by the home country, jobs, less technology dependence or political dependence, etc. For now, however, getting there takes more than snapping together various components, saying "here's my defense offering," and expecting that to succeed. It isn't quite the PC revolution just yet.

 

[nazid]

Crazy to see the weapons. .thnx for share.. @Manticore

 

[skybolt]

 

[Kurlang]

Pakistan defence firms attend Istanbul fair

ISTANBUL: A Pakistani company displays its products on Wednesday at the 12th International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF).—INP
ISLAMABAD: Leading defence manufacturing companies from the country are participating in a four-day International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF) in Istanbul, Turkey.

The Pakistani delegation, led by Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain, was also holding meetings with delegations from Turkey, the Middle East, Africa and Europe, among others.

Pakistan Ordnance Factories, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Heavy Industries Taxila, Defence Export Promotion Organisation etc are the leading participants from the country.

Pakistan is offering high-tech air/ground equipment and hardware for sale in the event, which began on May 5, 2015, said a statement on Wednesday.

Published in Dawn, May 7th, 2015

 

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Pakistan defence firms attend Istanbul fair

ISTANBUL: A Pakistani company displays its products on Wednesday at the 12th International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF).—INP
ISLAMABAD: Leading defence manufacturing companies from the country are participating in a four-day International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF) in Istanbul, Turkey.

The Pakistani delegation, led by Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain, was also holding meetings with delegations from Turkey, the Middle East, Africa and Europe, among others.

Pakistan Ordnance Factories, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Heavy Industries Taxila, Defence Export Promotion Organisation etc are the leading participants from the country.

Pakistan is offering high-tech air/ground equipment and hardware for sale in the event, which began on May 5, 2015, said a statement on Wednesday.

Published in Dawn, May 7th, 2015

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IDEF'15 | 5-8 May 2015 | İSTANBUL-TÜRKİYE