great minds think alike...
yes great minds , only can think great , but on the other hand , in a kargill like situation , a solider always pray for close air support!
btw , difference of opinion has its place !
what if we , have to face our enemy jst a week later?
thn great minds , really doesnt work!
our obsession with , westrn aircrafts did kill a lot of NLI soliders in kargill war, i guss this crazy obsession , will take more lives, some day, RAFAEL, RAFAEL & RAFEL , dear its not me , who is punching the sand bags here! its rafeal rafeal.... & its you!
anyways , who told you that J-11s had anyprobleums , regurding its engines?
according ti
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The Shenyang J-11 (Jianji-11 or Jian-11) is the Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-27 (NATo reporting name: Flanker) air-superiority fighter built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). The basic variant J-11, built using Russian-supplied kits, is identical to the Su-27SK. The “indigenised” multirole variant J-11B was based on the Su-27SK/J-11 airframe,
but fitted with Chinese-built avionics and weapon suite. Future productions of the J-11 will also be powered by the indigenous FWS-10A ‘Taihang’ turbofan jet engine.
more than , 130 plateforms in service with , PLAF is indeed a signal itself , howe much the bird is required by PLAF!
Currently, the PLAAF has seven divisions equipped with J-11, listed below[3]
PLAAF 1st Air Division based in Anshan, Liaoning, equipped with the J-11
PLAAF 2nd Air Division based in Suxi, Zhanjiang, Guangdong, equipped with the Su-27SK, Su-27UBK, and J-11
PLAAF 6th Air Division based in Yinchuan, Ningxia, equipped with the J-11
PLAAF 7th Air Division based in Zhangjiakou, Hebei, equipped with the J-11
PLAAF 14th Air Division based in Zhangshu, Jiangxi, equipped with the J-11
PLAAF 19th Air Division based in Zhengzhou, Henan, equipped with the Su-27SK, Su-27UBK, and J-11
PLAAF 33rd Air Division based in Baishiyi, Jiulongpo District, Chongqing, equipped with the Su-27UBK
The current inventory is composed primarily of third- and fourth-generation fighters and fighter-bombers, including 800~1,000 J-7 (MiG-21 Fishbed) and J-8II fighters, 76 Russian-built Su-27 fighters, 95~116 Chinese-assembled J-11 fighters, 76 Russian Su-30MKK multirole fighters, and some 60~80 Chinese indigenous J-10 multirole fighters.
PLZ CHECK OUT THE GREAT COMBINATION by a great airforce,which never go beging RAFEAL , MIRAGE OR F-16S, from uncle tom, uncle sam , or dick & harry of the west!
The Jian-10 (J-10) is a multirole, all-weather fighter aircraft designed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions. The aircraft was designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute) and built by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of AVIC. The aircraft has been operational with the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) since 2003. The J-10 is available in the single-seat fighter variant J-10 and two-seater fighter-trainer variant J-10S. A further improved single-seat fighter variant designated J-10B reportedly made its maiden flight in February 2009.
Programme
The programme to develop the J-10, known as Project 8610, started in the mid-1980s. The aircraft was originally intended to be a high-performance air-superiority fighter to counter the then emerging fourth-generation fighters such as F-16 and MiG-29, but the end of the Cold War and changing requirements shifted the development towards a multirole fighter with both air-to-air and ground attack mission capabilities.
The development of the J-10 was reportedly assisted by Israel, which provided the technologies of its cancelled IAI Lavi lightweight fighter including the aerodynamic design and the software for the “fly-by-wire” flight control system. The development programme faced enormous difficulty in the early 1990s when China faced arms embargo imposed by the United States and European Union. In the mid-1990s Russian became involved in the J-10 development and supplied its AL-31F turbofan jet engine to power the aircraft.
PLAAF J-10 single-seater fighter with PL-8 and PL-11 AAMs (Chinese Internet)
The J-10 was first flown on 22 March 1998, with six prototypes produced for flight tests. Six production examples in the single-seat fighter variant were delivered to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base / 13th Test Regiment at Cangzhou Airbase for operational test and evaluation in March 2003. The aircraft was certified for design finalisation in early 2004. The first operational J-10 fighter unit was activated in the PLAAF 44th Air Division / 132nd Fighter Regiment based at Luliang Airbase in the southern Yuannan Province in July 2004. The two-seater J-10S first flew in December 2003 and was certified in 2005.
The initial batch of 100 examples in both single-seat and two-seater variants were delivered to the PLAAF between 2004 and 2006. It was estimated that a total of 300 aircraft may be required by the PLAAF and PLA Navy. A number of countries including Pakistan, Iran, and Thailand have also shown strong interest in the aircraft. In March 2007, the Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistani Air Force told the press that the country was finalising a deal with China to purchase up to 32~40 J-10 fighters, with the delivery expected to take place in 2009. [1]
Design
J-10 fighter with refuelling probe
The J-10 adopts a “tailless delta-canard” aerodynamic layout, which was originally developed for the cancelled J-9 fighter. The aircraft has the horizontal control surfaces moved forward to become a canard in front of the wing. When the aircraft pitches up, instead of forcing the tail down decreasing overall lift, the canard lifts the nose, increasing the overall lift. Because the canard is picking up the fresh air stream instead of the wake behind the main wing, the aircraft can achieve better control authority with a smaller-size control surface, thus resulting in less drag and less weight.
The aircraft employs an adjustable, chin-mounted air intake that supplies air to the single Lyulka-Saturn AL-31FN afterburning turbofan jet engine. The upper portion of the air intake is incorporated with an intake ramp designed to generate a rearward leaning oblique shock wave to aid the inlet compression process. The ramp sits at an acute angle to deflect the intake air stream from the longitudinal direction. This design created a gap between the air intake and the forward fuselage, and requires six small beams to enhance the structure for high-speed flight. This air intake design was reportedly replaced by a diffuser supersonic inlet (DSI) on the latest J-10B variant.
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I GUSS ITS FAR BETTER FOR PAKISTAN TO get both of very potencial birds, to save our soldiers in a kargill like situations, where haflf of our airforce was unable to fly, just because we were being sanctioned , so our westrn made plate forms were not able to defend our brave soilders in kargill war, as a former combatant of kargill war, i see a huge impact if our birds were able to support at that time.
however, we sholud make it faster, to let our birds in a rumble !J-10s ARE the basic upfront fighter plateform for pakistan to count on,what all i mean is, it would be better to have some j-11bs, all together it would be very lethal & cost effective combination, which can serve nearly 10- to 15 years, in future!
if there was any at all.
to an extend US will not. But that a guess.
