We need diplomatic effort and scrutiny: Pakistanis are not eligible for Italian scholarship.

[Goenitz]

Dear all,

I do not want to make this post political. But Every time, I see such positive things somewhere else and not in Pakistan. I feel bad, I feel very bad about our Political Systems.
When Indian Ministers visit some other countries, they talk about trade etc, but Most importantly they talk about Education and better conditions of their students in those countries. But Irrespective of any Political Parties Govts. in power in Pakistan, I have never seen such education diplomacy by any Pakistani Govts with such a consistency as Indians do. Even many Scholarship Programs are excluding or have already excluded our nationals. Visas are getting rejected in larger number now and delays are getting bigger now and we are still doing nothing. From failed development of UESTPS to any Semiconductor Industry Development in Pakistan. This story is going on with more disappointments everyday
Students abroad are the only best agents to show our better positive side to other nations and they serve as most reliable and impactful bridge to develop trade, technology transfer and development relationships with other nations. We should use effectively our one of the biggest youth ratio in the world to make good relationships with other countries and Political Parties must keep Education as top priority in any agendas of meetings with other nations.
But We are here also and We are trying to change it and We shall change this. Soon Scholarship Network will be leading this in the World in sha ALLAH
Waqar Baig

https://studyinitaly.esteri.it/sites/default/files/2019-07/List of eligible foreign countries.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3gDvHcIEQWVnaAR7lC_nXXyhHpb1Eub_FuvCQfMx1N9GqFR8vMFquQpf4

 

[Goenitz]

meanwhile.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Brothers this is good. No Muslim should move to the land of kuffar and secular worshippers. Islamic republic is what we want. Stay away from wextoxification.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

meanwhile.

A friend of my cousin just went to Italy on a fully paid scholarship.

 

[Vortex]

Dear all,

I do not want to make this post political. But Every time, I see such positive things somewhere else and not in Pakistan. I feel bad, I feel very bad about our Political Systems.
When Indian Ministers visit some other countries, they talk about trade etc, but Most importantly they talk about Education and better conditions of their students in those countries. But Irrespective of any Political Parties Govts. in power in Pakistan, I have never seen such education diplomacy by any Pakistani Govts with such a consistency as Indians do. Even many Scholarship Programs are excluding or have already excluded our nationals. Visas are getting rejected in larger number now and delays are getting bigger now and we are still doing nothing. From failed development of UESTPS to any Semiconductor Industry Development in Pakistan. This story is going on with more disappointments everyday
Students abroad are the only best agents to show our better positive side to other nations and they serve as most reliable and impactful bridge to develop trade, technology transfer and development relationships with other nations. We should use effectively our one of the biggest youth ratio in the world to make good relationships with other countries and Political Parties must keep Education as top priority in any agendas of meetings with other nations.
But We are here also and We are trying to change it and We shall change this. Soon Scholarship Network will be leading this in the World in sha ALLAH
Waqar Baig

https://studyinitaly.esteri.it/sites/default/files/2019-07/List of eligible foreign countries.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3gDvHcIEQWVnaAR7lC_nXXyhHpb1Eub_FuvCQfMx1N9GqFR8vMFquQpf4

Nobody wants a Rising Pakistan.
I remember After we tested our nukes, France banned Pakistanis students from Sciences Physics PHD. Don’t know if ban is still applied or not.

 

[Goenitz]

Brothers this is good. No Muslim should move to the land of kuffar

there is no land of Kuffar but regimes... if they abstain muslims from basic rights like no prayer, fasting etc then muslims should leave.. else, no

A friend of my cousin just went to Italy on a fully paid scholarship.

this is based on family income. it is like'aid' cum scholarship.. UN/EU pay for developing countries students. List even includes China.

Sciences Physics PHD.

TU delf, one french university and cranfield uni charge huge money and allow Pak students to study like aerodynamics etc... but China allow us to study aero-thermodynamics, aero-elasticity,nuclear physics.. so our orgs mainly send the workforce to study there. Like my friend couldn't do master in Vibration, in EU, but found a place in S.Africa..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

if they abstain muslims from basic rights like no prayer, fasting etc then muslims should leave.. else, no

Are you validating secularism?

 

[Goenitz]

Are you validating secularism?

secularism definition is that live like what you want.. A true secular country is Canada. Where you can be either gay, atheist, religious, etc and bear no issue. What i was saying, that unless, Kuffar enforce Muslims not to practise Islam then we should leave and it has no link to secularism but to basic human rights. Hz Ibrahim AS lived among idol worshipers. Yes, environment affects but mainly it is mainly your own Iman,concept and consciousness.
Else living even in Makkah cannot save you from ibless or western influence.

 

[BATMAN]

Before Indians go talk to foreign nations about jobs and aid, they make sure they buy out Pakistani embassies in respective states. This i can say with 100% conviction.
Imagine when RAW can reach out to the military attaches (brig. Rizwan) than rest assure, they own rest of the embassy staff like their pet dogs.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

secularism definition is that live like what you want.. A true secular country is Canada. Where you can be either gay, atheist, religious, etc and bear no issue. What i was saying, that unless, Kuffar enforce Muslims not to practise Islam then we shouldn't leave and it has no link to secularism. Hz Ibrahim AS lived among idol worshipers. Yes, environment affects but mainly it is mainly your own Iman,concept and consciousness.
Else living even in Makkah cannot save you from ibless or western influence.

So why do people react so strongly at the idea that Pakistan should be a secular state?

 

[BringHarmony]

secularism definition is that live like what you want.. A true secular country is Canada. Where you can be either gay, atheist, religious, etc and bear no issue. What i was saying, that unless, Kuffar enforce Muslims not to practise Islam then we shouldn't leave and it has no link to secularism. Hz Ibrahim AS lived among idol worshipers. Yes, environment affects but mainly it is mainly your own Iman,concept and consciousness.
Else living even in Makkah cannot save you from ibless or western influence.

I have a question : if you care about your Fukken faith then why do you come to ‘kuffar’ countries to study and work?

Remain in your hellhole universities and practice your faith.

I have tried to keep an open mind but surely some faiths are better than others when it comes to being a guest student or worker. Never seen this stupid behaviour from Indians/sikhs.

 

[Goenitz]

military attaches (brig. Rizwan)

CIA was far better

So why do people react so strongly at the idea that Pakistan should be a secular state?

For sure, we cannot be secular 100% as we already have submitted our 'will' to Allah so there are limits. Like you know, west makes law which can be applicable. Like they cannot ban alcohol but restrict it. You know,if a teenager seek counselor about his 'urges', then it is a must for the counselor to convince the young man/woman to go for intimacy and not feel guilty about it.

Rest we must let other practice their religion, ideas, culture etc.. Like to Qadyanis especially (other minorities are ok).. But We cannot do things such as to allow LGTB and feminism... though feminism is a reactionary phenomena.
Though I wonder what would be the solution of trans community. They need physical affection but how?

I have a question : if you care about your Fukken faith then why do you come to ‘kuffar’ countries to study and work?

Remain in your hellhole universities and practice your faith.

I suggest you go through entire discussion before cherry picking and jump in the middle of conversation. Every one has his own religion/faith/belief. and they treat it as 'religion'. whether it is Islam, Christianity, Socialism, Being Vegan, Secular, Democrat, Science, Atheism.. everyone thinks his ideas/opinion is best and try/strive that if only other could follow it.. even culture is type of 'religion'.. or considering your food/cuisine is better than others'.

 

[Yaseen1]

it is our public wrong attitude due to which no scholarship is given,our students not complete education when given admission abroad and start doing small jobs for earning money in short term then this will be expected to happen,many students only use admission in foreign universities for purpose of immigration instead of education

 

[Indus Pakistan]

For sure, we cannot be secular 100% as we already have submitted our 'will' to Allah so there are limits

But me and you submitted our will to the almighty and are we not cool with secularism in UK?

 

[Goenitz]

But me and you submitted our will to the almighty and are we not cool with secularism in UK?

We cannot change or say anything against it, at least I cannot as I am not national. Now being 'cool' in a sense, that it is their rule, their choice as Allah Himself has given them freewill and a certain time. Plus near 'Qiyamah', it will be difficult everywhere to practice Islam anyway. So place/time doesn't matter. Like I said Hz Ibrahim was living among idol worshipers. His father was against him. So hijrah isn't necessary. Hazrat Muhammad SW only did bcz he (SW) was deprived of basic rights of worship and to live. He (SW) was constantly attacked, harassed, mocked and even his (SW) life was at risk.