We don't have the capability to go out and collect large numbers of (American) people from Afghanistan: SEC AUSTIN

[Norwegian]

SEC AUSTIN: "We don't have the capability to go out and collect large numbers of (American) people."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428085308722196481

@KAL-EL @F-22Raptor is this superpower?

 

[Vapour]

They can easily engage with Pakistan to help out with evacuations, in the same manner as Denmark and Turkey have. Not sure what's preventing them doing so?

 

[BRAVO_]

it mean they are asking american govt to put more money to get those capabilities .. this how they easily get hands on the pockets of american taxpayers though they already have about 350 C130s yet they need more

 

[Norwegian]

They can easily engage with Pakistan to help out with evacuations, in the same manner as Denmark and Turkey have. Not sure what's preventing them doing so?

Over inflated American ego

 

[FuturePAF]

They can easily engage with Pakistan to help out with evacuations, in the same manner as Denmark and Turkey have. Not sure what's preventing them doing so?

would Pakistan be open to “helping out”? and what do you mean by helping out? Some western diplomats have evacuated through pakistani airport(s) which is one thing but Should Pakistan allow a lot of westerners or even large numbers of Afghans cleared by western countries to be allowed to enter Pakistan for the purpose of leaving in a more orderly manner to Qatar for SIV processing? And what would Pakistan get out of extending such help, opening itself up to more risks? (It would mean multiple airports; Peshawar, Islamabad, Quetta, and probably smaller ones along the border taking the chances of becoming rallying points and the associated risks that brings). Would Pakistan come under the spotlight For the evacuations just to be blamed by every ill informed Tom dick and Harry over this 20 year fiasco Pakistan wanted them not to start?

If Pakistan is to help it needs assurances to end all the political schnenigans like FATF as well as turning the page to real good relations (focused on geo-economics and mutually beneficial trade) for helping out in this regard, AT LEAST.

As an American, I would hope Pakistan helps the US and other western countries find a way to get all US and other foreign nationals out of Afghanistan safely and quickly as possible, and consider extending this to Afghans looking to leave as well (no later then Aug. 31st) perhaps via bus convoys from these cities to the Pakistani border and then each Afghan processed through pakistani immigration to make sure they are not a threat to Pakistan and then onwards to the airport

P.s. the rhetoric coming out of parts of the US media is pushing the Anti-refugee narrative. So it maybe better for Pakistan to tell the world sending food / medical aid as well as supporting an inclusive final government in Afghanistan is probably gonna help a lot more people and prevent a massive refugee exodus, rather then looking for ways to fly “millions” out

The following video also points out that Pakistan itself gets destabilized due to hosting millions of refugees, which should also be considered when Pakistan says it can’t take anymore refugees.

 

[simplex]

The US army has the capability to transport 640 people of 80 kg with 41 kg of suitcases each, as long as a C-17 can carry 77,519 kg of cargo. In the image above, the C-17, with occupants that left Afghanistan recently, did not have a load of more than 50000 kg as long as there were many young children there. In fact, most of the travelers look like weighting less than 80 kg.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

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The US army has the capability to transport 640 people of 80 kg with 41 kg of suitcases each, as long as a C-17 can carry 77,519 kg of cargo. In the image above, the C-17, with occupants that left Afghanistan recently, did not have a load of more than 50000 kg as long as there were many young children there. In fact, most of the travelers look like weighting less than 80 kg.

Raazte me kisi ko bathroom a gya to?

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Forget abour ditching allies, they even ditched their own people. Wow!

 

[FuturePAF]

This is where our pajeets' experience comes in handy. They turn the place they occupy at the time of the nature call, as their rest room.

There’s got to be a bathroom in there, but they probably asked (I would hope) everyone to go to the bathroom at the airport before getting on the ~3 hour flight to Qatar. Otherwise they probably told them to hold it.

 

[Vapour]

would Pakistan be open to “helping out”? and what do you mean by helping out? Some western diplomats have evacuated through pakistani airport(s) which is one thing but Should Pakistan allow a lot of westerners or even large numbers of Afghans cleared by western countries to be allowed to enter Pakistan for the purpose of leaving in a more orderly manner to Qatar for SIV processing? And what would Pakistan get out of extending such help, opening itself up to more risks? (It would mean multiple airports; Peshawar, Islamabad, Quetta, and probably smaller ones along the border taking the chances of becoming rallying points and the associated risks that brings). Would Pakistan come under the spotlight For the evacuations just to be blamed by every ill informed Tom dick and Harry over this 20 year fiasco Pakistan wanted them not to start?

If Pakistan is to help it needs assurances to end all the political schnenigans like FATF as well as turning the page to real good relations (focused on geo-economics and mutually beneficial trade) for helping out in this regard, AT LEAST.

As an American, I would hope Pakistan helps the US and other western countries find a way to get all US and other foreign nationals out of Afghanistan safely and quickly as possible, and consider extending this to Afghans looking to leave as well (no later then Aug. 31st) perhaps via bus convoys from these cities to the Pakistani border and then each Afghan processed through pakistani immigration to make sure they are not a threat to Pakistan and then onwards to the airport

P.s. the rhetoric coming out of parts of the US media is pushing the Anti-refugee narrative. So it maybe better for Pakistan to tell the world sending food / medical aid as well as supporting an inclusive final government in Afghanistan is probably gonna help a lot more people and prevent a massive refugee exodus, rather then looking for ways to fly “millions” out

Well, the same manner in which Pakistan has helped several other countries to evacuate upon their request to ISB airport. Of course, wasn't implying that it would be purely humanitarian on behalf of Pakistan, there would be an inherent opportunity in extracting some sort of concession with such arrangements.

Whilst I agree with your concerns on security as well as processing the several thousands that would require vetting, however, I think travel via road is open to more danger of a few of them disappearing and operating against Pakistan.

Washington seems to be washing its hands of anything to do with AFG, now that its presence will be effectively minimal there. Furthermore, they've also frozen the AFG central bank reserves held in the US, so not sure how much they'll cooperate without any benefit to them.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

would Pakistan be open to “helping out”? and what do you mean by helping out? Some western diplomats have evacuated through pakistani airport(s) which is one thing but Should Pakistan allow a lot of westerners or even large numbers of Afghans cleared by western countries to be allowed to enter Pakistan for the purpose of leaving in a more orderly manner to Qatar for SIV processing? And what would Pakistan get out of extending such help, opening itself up to more risks? (It would mean multiple airports; Peshawar, Islamabad, Quetta, and probably smaller ones along the border taking the chances of becoming rallying points and the associated risks that brings). Would Pakistan come under the spotlight For the evacuations just to be blamed by every ill informed Tom dick and Harry over this 20 year fiasco Pakistan wanted them not to start?

If Pakistan is to help it needs assurances to end all the political schnenigans like FATF as well as turning the page to real good relations (focused on geo-economics and mutually beneficial trade) for helping out in this regard, AT LEAST.

As an American, I would hope Pakistan helps the US and other western countries find a way to get all US and other foreign nationals out of Afghanistan safely and quickly as possible, and consider extending this to Afghans looking to leave as well (no later then Aug. 31st) perhaps via bus convoys from these cities to the Pakistani border and then each Afghan processed through pakistani immigration to make sure they are not a threat to Pakistan and then onwards to the airport

P.s. the rhetoric coming out of parts of the US media is pushing the Anti-refugee narrative. So it maybe better for Pakistan to tell the world sending food / medical aid as well as supporting an inclusive final government in Afghanistan is probably gonna help a lot more people and prevent a massive refugee exodus, rather then looking for ways to fly “millions” out

The following video also points out that Pakistan itself gets destabilized due to hosting millions of refugees, which should also be considered when Pakistan says it can’t take anymore refugees.

A big NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................This is an american/nato mess. Not ours. Let them deal with it. Keep Pakistan out of this. No matter what we do, the americans will still work against and malign us.

 

[FuturePAF]

Well, the same manner in which Pakistan has helped several other countries to evacuate upon their request to ISB airport. Of course, wasn't implying that it would be purely humanitarian on behalf of Pakistan, there would be an inherent opportunity in extracting some sort of concession with such arrangements.

Whilst I agree with your concerns on security as well as processing the several thousands that would require vetting, however, I think travel via road is open to more danger of a few of them disappearing and operating against Pakistan.

Washington seems to be washing its hands of anything to do with AFG, now that its presence will be effectively minimal there. Furthermore, they've also frozen the AFG central bank reserves held in the US, so not sure how much they'll cooperate without any benefit to them.

I didn’t want to say you were suggesting it.
Just poising the questions rhetorically.

Pakistan should definitely extract concessions IF it helps (in any capacity), consider how much damage this war has done to Pakistan (loss of life and loss of $100s of Billions of economic development and GDP as just two examples)

but if the Namak Haram Afghans get out they will cruse Pakistan to everyone till their last breath even if they get out with Pakistan’s help

this is why iron clad MAJOR concessions are a minimum to even consider helping , and even then Pakistan should be super weary to help in evacuation of Afghan nationals. Foreign/western nationals are a different story, but that too should come with MAJOR concessions considering how hazardous the road journey was. Remember it was the British retreat (in the 1800s) from Kabul to Jalalabad that was destroyed by Afghans, who can say they will be safe on that road journey; perhaps helicopter borne evacuations to Peshawar/Islamabad and/or Quetta for those in the South.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I didn’t want to say you were suggesting it.
Just poising the questions rhetorically.

Pakistan should definitely extract concessions IF it helps (in any capacity), consider how much damage this war has done to Pakistan (loss of life and loss of $100s of Billions of economic development and GDP as just two examples)

but if the Namak Haram Afghans get out they will cruse Pakistan to everyone till their last breath even if they get out with Pakistan’s help

We are nor responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. Let those who caused it, clear it up and evacuate their citizens. NOTHING to do with Pakistan.

 

[FuturePAF]

We are nor responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. Let those who caused it, clear it up and evacuate their citizens. NOTHING to do with Pakistan.

What about evacuating westerners (not Afghans) in exchange for major concessions (could be a major opportunity to reset ties with America and the West while Pakistan has potential leverage) ; possibly minimal risk high reward. It also speeds up the US withdrawal and sticks to the Aug. 31 end date. Evacuations to a Pakistani airport by helicopter, then out on a regular commercial flight under Pakistan army protection of the airports?

they are gonna get out one way or another, Pakistan should consider helping itself while the opportunity is there.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What about evaluating westerners (not Afghans) in exchange for major concessions (could be a major opportunity to reset ties with America and the West while Pakistan has potential leverage) ; possibly minimal risk high reward. It also speeds up the US withdrawal and sticks to the Aug. 31 end date. Evacuations to a Pakistani airport by helicopter?

Us Pakistanis having been saying similar things for the last 20 years and NOTHING changes. No matter what we say, do or attempt, the americans and nato will always be anti-Pakistani. We lost 70,000 Pakistanis and nearly $200 billion for the WOT yet the americans and nato remain vehemently anti-Pakistani and accuse us of terrorism. Pakistan should stay WELL CLEAR of all of this.