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Yeah..I got a bit carried away there:lol:

However, China is known for using various methods to keep its population submissive. Don't deny that.
Its inevitable because of the kind of government you have.

Can I say that GOI contributes to create huge among of illiteracy, poverty and dead infants, and that they are inevitable because of the kind of government you have?
 
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Where is your thread?

Facts show that most "democratic" countries in Asia have been failed to deliver so far, among which is India!

Facts stand more convincing than just easy, empty blabla...

HAH! just look at that. Stop blaming democracy for your problems. Pakistan was never able to implement democracy, hence democracy cannot work!! Sour grapes my friend.

Most democratic countries are doing very well in Asia. Pakistan was never a true democracy.

Democracy has been proven time and again. Its the best system out there.
 
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Can I say that GOI contributes to create huge among of illiteracy, poverty and dead infants, and that they are inevitable because of the kind of government you have?

Right then. Why don't you go live in North Korea. Or Iran for that matter. Have a great time!
Goodbye.
 
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Thats exactly what I want to find out..i.e....what are the reasons for the success of the Chinese government.

Logically, such governments should eventually fail one way or the other.

I know it's much to China's enemy's disappointment.

China is not any Western countries where democracy has been evolved, practiced and run successfully for centuries, which inevitably provides the kind of social soil (history, culture and tradition, etc.) on which the system can grow healthily.

China is China, with its unique history, culture, and tradition. This is the base for any logical reasoning with respect to China. I believe Chinese government happens to know Chinese better than you.

It is illogical trying to reason out a result of China based on non-Chinese whatever.
 
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I know it's much to China's enemy's disappointment.

China is not any Western countries where democracy has been evolved, practiced and run successfully for centuries, which inevitably provides the kind of social soil (history, culture and tradition, etc.) on which the system can grow healthily.

China is China, with its own unique history, culture, and tradition. This is the base for any logical reasoning on China. I believe Chinese government happens to know Chinese better than you.

It is illogical to reason China based on non-Chinese whatever.

True. China has a very large traditionally submissive population.They'r e used to a central autocratic rule.

Will be interesting to see how an increasingly independent educated population will react to the limited freedoms given to them.

Remember, China isn't going to remain traditional for ever. They are getting westernized day by day.
 
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Marathaman,

If you want to write on here. Do it in a friendly manner. Otherwise, please get lost.
 
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HAH! just look at that. Stop blaming democracy for your problems. Pakistan was never able to implement democracy, hence democracy cannot work!! Sour grapes my friend.

Most democratic countries are doing very well in Asia. Pakistan was never a true democracy.

Democracy has been proven time and again. Its the best system out there.

Wow! My problem? (If I take your "you" singularly). I don't have problem and I have plenty of sweet grapes.

If you though I was a Pakistani, that's a typical problem of your type of people with your type of mindset: blabla based on superficial information without conducting any meaningful study. (BTW, many experts believe this is one of the important reasons why India failed to perform in 1962 conflict with China. For instance, the General in charge of the war, Brij Mohan Kaul, Nehru's relative, hadn't even seen a single Chinese soldier before the conflict. Yet he blablaed to convince Nehru that he would of course defeat the opponent easily.)

I agree that Pakistani system needs improvement. I also agree that Chinese system needs improvement, even though in general it outperforms Indian democracy.
 
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Wow! My problem? (If I take your "you" singularly). I don't have problem and I have plenty of sweet grapes.

If you though I was a Pakistani, that's a typical problem of your type of people with your type of mindset: blabla based on superficial information without conducting any meaningful study. (BTW, many experts believe this is one of the important reasons why India failed to perform in 1962 conflict with China. For instance, the General in charge of the war, Brij Mohan Kaul, Nehru's relative, hadn't even seen a single Chinese soldier before the conflict. Yet he blablaed to convince Nehru that he would of course defeat the opponent easily.)

I agree that Pakistani system needs improvement. I also agree that Chinese system needs improvement, even though in general it outperforms Indian democracy.

Pakistan needs more than just improvement.

Indian democracy has underperformed so far, not because of any inherent flaws in democracy, but because of inefficient implementation of it.

China's system is inherently flawed for a number of reasons. It discourages independent thought among the masses. It has no accountability...etc. I can go on.

The strength of the Chinese system lies in its ability to get things done quickly. However, inspite of its shining infrastructure, the average Chinese will remain no more than an ant in a vast anthill. His individuality crushed by the collective goal.

I am no expert on the '62 war, but i do know that the war was managed very badly. Indian soldiers were badly equipped, and suffered tremendous logistical problems.
China however, under a dictatorship, attacked with a much better prepared army.
 
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First, let me express my hope that I would spend time with an adult suitable for a meaningful debate. Otherwise I’d better leave you to your own euphoria.

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Most democratic countries are doing very well in Asia.

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Let me readily deny that. This is a list of democratic countries in Asia. By western norm, a democratic country is a country where the leader is popularly elected.

Tell me your "most" outperform “non-democratic” China:

Japan *
Israel
Singapore *
Korea, Rep. of
Malaysia
Thailand
Kazakhstan
Philippines
Turkey
Sri Lanka
Iran, Islamic Rep. of
Azerbaijan
Turkmenistan
Indonesia
Kyrgyzstan
Uzbekistan
Mongolia
Tajikistan
India
Cambodia
Pakistan
Bangladesh

* are the countries that barely fit Western norm of democracy. For instance, Japan's LDP has rule the country for nearly half a century without change http://www.tabunka.org/newsletter/true_democracy.html ; whereas Singapore's PAP has ruled the country with an iron grip since 1959, and its election can be compared with communist Laos. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33047

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Indian democracy has underperformed so far, not because of any inherent flaws in democracy, but because of inefficient implementation of it.

Why the best system (India) underperforms (according to you, why it can't be implemented) the bad system (China)? Have you done some serious study from a neutral, unemotional standpoint?

If you haven't, my afore-posted statement may help shed some light on it.

China's system is inherently flawed for a number of reasons. It discourages independent thought among the masses. It has no accountability...etc. I can go on.

You statement is mostly based on some hearsay or conjecture.

I don't think you have done any meaningful study on Chinese system, have you? If you have indeed done some, could you please excuse me and let me know what works have you studied, and answer me why majority Chinese chose to side with CCP not KMT?

If you haven't, let me help some with you. Within CCP, Mao Zedong and bunch of elites advocated "democratic centralization". In earlier stage (pre 1949), Mao's many instructions were stopped, or modified based on this system. However, Mao's personal charisma subverted the system in his later life stage. As the strong man is out of stage, "democratic centralization" is probably more or less restored.

If there were no independent thinking, how could China reform itself? If there were no independent thinking, how could ordinary Chinese conduct their business so successfully? If there were no independent thinking, how could Chinese patent requests rank number 3 in the world? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6939767.stm

If there were no accountability how could high rank CCP officials be executed or sacked? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6699441.stm

Having said that, let me repeat that Chinese system needs improvement badly in many aspects, because I am grateful to my awareness of the Chinese wisdom that: to make one strong, one has to find his weakness, not to deny it, and find a suitable way to fix it.

The strength of the Chinese system lies in its ability to get things done quickly. However, inspite of its shining infrastructure, the average Chinese will remain no more than an ant in a vast anthill. His individuality crushed by the collective goal.

According to what you imply, India individualism must be well respected. Then why average Indians are less happy than ant-like Chinese. Are you actually telling me that Indians are worse than ant life? If you want details, please see the happiness index in

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_hap_net-lifestyle-happiness-net

I am no expert on the '62 war, but i do know that the war was managed very badly. Indian soldiers were badly equipped, and suffered tremendous logistical problems.
China however, under a dictatorship, attacked with a much better prepared army.

If you haven’t studied the war at least at least some degree, please don’t talk too much. Keep quiet is a merit, not inability. Otherwise it will only demonstrate your immaturity, or Brij Mohan Kaul type of mentality. That won’t do you, nor your country, any good.

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In conclusion, let me state that: no system in the world is perfect. The wisdom of politicians and its people lies in the fact they open-mindedly choose/initiate/develop the one that fit their country the best, as reflected by a set of measurable statistics or data, not just to "follow the flow".

Also let me further stress that I never said India system is bad, in fact it may be the best for it.

BTW, if you indeed have another thread for the topic, please kindly let me know. I’m more than willing to be there. Meanwhile, I hope you can backup your statements with statistics from trustworthy international organizations, not by mere hearsays.
 
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... Just cuz you dont have freedom and you are happy with it, doesnt mean other people are...


It's a fact that Chinese enjoy the freedom of living longer than Indians. I.E., Indians don't have the freedom of live as long as Chinese.

It's a fact that Chinese infants have more survival freedom than Indian infants. I.E., Indian parents don't have the freedom of having more living their infants.

It's a fact that Chinese enjoy more freedom to be literate than Indians.

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90% literacy in what!!! I dont want freaking lying chinese data. We all know what they are famous for. Tariq Aziz is a amateur infront of you lot.

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OMG, you mean china is controlling CIA? You couldn't amuse everybody more.:chilli:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
 
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As long as you are not the one who is paying the price, you have no righ to ask other's to do so. Its about compensation which is equable to what they have lost, it aint happening in three gorge's case.

Not at all? Do you have data to backup your claim?

In fact, in any place in the real world, there is no such thing of absolute equality, of course nor in India.

There is so much under the rug, China is more volatile than the Indian real estate bubble.

Do you have facts to support your claim, or your creditability should be called in question.
 
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Not at all? Do you have data to backup your claim?

In fact, in any place in the real world, there is no such thing of absolute equality, of course nor in India.



Do you have facts to support your claim, or your creditability should be called in question.

Chill dude..he's banned.
 
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