We Are All Harappans

[Water Car Engineer]

If wikipedia isn't sufficient I can gladly give another source.

Anyway, you are yet to prove your claims, which shows how false they are.

You being completely clueless to anything I've said shows how much you know. There's nothing much to discuss. Go look for the sources your self, and dont give some aryan invasion theory wiki page, next time.

 

[Hamza913]

Go look for the sources your self

I did, and I found nothing other than Hindu propaganda, a few lines on Wiki, and a study. The latter two both only proved a minor migration may have occurred from the Indus region during and post IVC, and that the migrants were all wiped out because they couldn't sustain themselves.

Hence why I'm asking you for a better source, which you cannot provide because you're making up things.

 

[Mamluk]

No, hardly the mixture happened in Eastern Iran. These ancient samples from E. Iran arent much older then the early ICV. These samples lack ANI also, and strong association with ASI. So ASI mixed group started in E. Iran, not long before the early ICV.

Current region of E. Iran lacks these genes today(Baloch, etc. lack this), there was an Eastern shift of genes, along with this came the early settlements of the ICV, this migration and early settlements go together. This movement is the first major population group to enter India, which now form a big part of the population, again, strongest among the low caste of S. Asia. By the late stage of the civilization settlements were already in Haryana, UP, Gujarat, Coastal Maharashtra, then it declined and now we have proof of ANI migration. So again, ASI genes moved east wards. You can choose to ignore whatever, but from the beginning of it's formation there was a eastern movement, you can choose to doubt there wasnt more eastern migration after destabilization, literally the same exact thing happened in Europe, both case genetics proves.

You can show me some more wiki links now, bud.

Get educated before discussing a topic else you end up looking like a retard.

No, hardly the mixture happened in Eastern Iran.

What mixture?

These ancient samples from E. Iran arent much older then the early ICV.

IVC retard, not ICV.

These samples lack ANI also, and strong association with ASI. So ASI mixed group started in E. Iran, not long before the early ICV.

Do you understand what ANI and ASI is? You are confusing ANI with Steppe. ANI is Indus_Pe + Steppe. Indus people were mostly similar to Indus_Pe, which is a mix of Iran_N and AASI.

Iran_N component in Indus people had a west to east cline, with higher Iran_N west of Indus and higher AASI east of Indus.

So retard, no ASI mixed group started in Iran. Iran_N agirculturalists from western bank of Indus mixed with AASI in South Asia, pushing the higher AASI people down the social/caste ladder.

Current region of E. Iran lacks these genes today(Baloch, etc. lack this), there was an Eastern shift of genes, along with this came the early settlements of the ICV, this migration and early settlements go together.

Which genes? The Baloch and Sindhis still retain the highest level of Iran_N (and lowest AASI) among all South Asians.

This movement is the first major population group to enter India, which now form a big part of the population, again, strongest among the low caste of S. Asia.

No retard, no.

The strongest component in lower castes of South Asia is AASI. That was always the case, during, and after, IVC.

So again, ASI genes moved east wards.

As I said retard, AASI was always here, in the forests of Indian peninsula.
Iran_N can be found all over South Asia, like Indo-Aryan Steppe dna -- that does not indicate a wholesale movement of people, but simply a diffusion of genes through an "elite dominance" model. That is how Indo-Aryan dna is also spread in South India by upper caste Indo-Aryan groups.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Too bad 'your stories' and 'our stories' collided over a millennia ago for better or worse. We had a part in it and we will say our lines.

Yes, we know your troubles in Hindu Kush. Being taken as livestock to Afghanistan. That’s it. Your history is not too impressive.

Pakistan, however, is one of the most ancient and vibrant societies on Earth with a unique history and culture not seen anywhere else.

You want to know your history in more details, ask Afghans and they will tell you everything.

 

[Hamza913]

ask Afghans and they will tell you everything.

Asalamu Alaikum

Forget those guys, they're not too knowledgeable when it comes to history.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Asalamu Alaikum

Forget those guys, they're not too knowledgeable when it comes to history.

Wa alaikum Assalam.

Afghans can tell Hindus very well their history. All illusions of pride will vanish from them.

 

[t_for_talli]

Ghanta mera lu*

Go and bloody learn difference between empires and civilizations. There is a reason why there are only three civilizations , Indus, Babylon and Egypt, where as there has been many empires throughout the history.

Ghanta vedas, Ghanta yoga, Ghanta your bloody sansikrit. They all came AFTER the IVC was already 10 feet buried in the soil. What a turd!


We are the people of the land, our languages all trace back to Indus, Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtu. How many among you billion plus miserable lot can speak these languages of Indus basin. How many among you carry the traditions and culture of Indus basin? Whatever influence is there, is just because those lands were once part of Indus.

We stuffed the major power of the world called Alexander the great and send him packing from our lands. Majority of us were already Muslims when the first extra regional Muslim army came to this region and we facilitated them to conquer the rest the of the subcontinent. The only time you gangadeshis receive the frontal assault from extra regional power, you caved in meekly , and that is when British came. You shitholes, got history to be subjected by other powers, first it was Indus, then Muslim empire and last but not least, the British. You miserable beings only got sort of independence on 15th August 1947. And that is where your history starts.

Tell an Egyptian that he is not the custodian of his Nile civilization because his forefathers were not Arabs, neither they spoke Arabic, neither they were Muslims, their attire was completely different, you might get a punch in your face.

Dont talk about Kingdoms, only time when a local ruled Pakistani lands was after Independence
Lets do a reality check, from next time do research before posting crap

The fact is Pakistanis have identity crises and they try to hook on to whatever they feel will differentiate them from Indians. There are more Pakistani claiming Arab ancestry / different race than the number of Indians who believe in Arab Pakistani ancestry.

Now if you look at the history of the land called Pakistan (rulers of land)

Mauryas, pre Ashoka (~300 BC , Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Mauryas, Post Ashoka (~260 BC, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Indo/ Greek Kingdom (~150 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Indo/ Scythians (~55 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Kushans (~50-300 AD, Ruler Origin : Afgan/ Cuntral Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Huns (~350 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Guptas (~400 AD, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Huns (~500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism

Gazanivids (~1000 AD,Ruler Origin : Turk, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Ghaurids (~1200 AD,Ruler Origin : Persian, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Delhi Sultanate(~1200-1450 AD, Ruler Origin : Turkic, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Moughls (~1500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Durrani and Sikh Empires (~1700 AD, Ruler Origin : Sikhs (India), Durranis (Afgans) , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

British (~1850 AD, Ruler Origin : Europeans , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

Pakistanis ( After 1947 AD, Ruler Origin : Pakistani , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam)

There was no time for you guys to have the culture of your own, People of the land call Pakistan adopted whatever was imposed by foreign invaders in last 2000 years,

Very apt anology

The heritage, history of a land dosent change because people have become more enlightened

The ancient history of this land and its people dosent dissappear or change because we no longer wish to worship idols..


Nor can someone else from somewhere else co opt or steal our history or heritage

I don't give a fcuk about yoga or sanskrit but the heritage and history of our land and people won't be stolen by ganga dwellers because the cultural heritage of Pakistan influenced their primitive ganga ways

Ignorance from indians or anyone else in the world does not change the historical reality of the heritage snd origin of the peoples and land here

Yes, reality does not change .....It does not matter what ignorant Pakistani with identity crises thinks
- For Yoga, people come to India
- For Vedas / Sanskrit people come to India
- Research on social/ political/literary aspects of IVC people come to India,

Reality is clear and visible to all

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Religion does not equal blood lineage. Why do these Hindus find that concept so difficult?

 

[SQ8]

Religion does not equal blood lineage. Why do these Hindus find that concept so difficult?

Difference in religious concept. one religion is based upon a theological book with various moral and ethical edicts explained and then infused/translated into local culture wherever it spread.

The other is local culture and practices reflected in ancient writings specific to the people of the area.
Islam is agnostic to culture, Hinduism is culture.

 

[Hamza913]

Wa alaikum Assalam.

Afghans can tell Hindus very well their history. All illusions of pride will vanish from them.

No they can't, Afghan nationalists are as crazy as the Hindutva.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Research on social/ political/literary aspects of IVC people come to India,

This is because of misconceptions and also to further Indian government propaganda. Studying only the outlying sites like Rakhigarh is like studying Yemen to make a blanket statement about Roman civilization.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes i said we got killed in Kashmir and we are now also killig and massacring in kashmir.

Remember Asifa bano ? She was a gujjar as well lol. And shes not alone if you see our news. Major Bhradwaj, Sukla, Koul, Sharma etc all have very developed taste for Kashmiri girls of all kind.

As for afghans we already raped and massacared them for over 500 years. We divided their their lands among brahmins, forced Sanskritas court language, built our temples over their pagan religions.

Dahir, Brahmansahis, etc all were very notorus for one thing among their majority Jat and Gujjar pesants. Above listem respected majors are onpy carrying on that legasy in kashmir

Its all gods will for brahmAhatya, you cant understand being a Gujjar dalit Convert.

First of all Awaz Nechay !!

Secondly do you know how to carve out stone temples upside down?

 

[Great Brahmin]

First of all Awaz Nechay !!

Secondly do you know how to carve out stone temples upside down?

Whats up bro ?

Nice to meet you finally.

 

[El Sidd]

Whats up bro ?

Nice to meet you finally.

Alhumdulilah everything is fine. How about you?
Why are you teasing Pakistanis?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

thats a separe matter between you and Hindustanis/Indians, nothing to do with us Brahmins.

are you not an Indian/Hindustani?
do you consider yourself Scandinavian if not Indian