We Are All Harappans

[Taimoor Khan]

You aren't the same who lived 5000 years ago. We don't know their language, culture and religion. We don't even know if there was an invasion which made them abandon their settlements. But for excavations we knew nothing about these people.

Guy is wearing the same Ajrak you will find in rural Sindh.

We got more connection to our ancestors then say people of Egypt and Iraq today, to their civilizations.

 

[newb3e]

Don't worry about us. We don't have the identity crisis.

you sure you dont?

 

[Hamza913]

Sure, this specific mixed marker is outside the region of the area of the Indus. So the mixture happened at the border regions and moved eastwards. No different to the ANI markers moving east wards.

When I said proof, I meant a citation that proved people from IVC migrated further into Hindustan in significant numbers.

They were not even able to put jizya on us and you are talking about killing lol.

Look at kashmir, loom at maharashtra. Those who tried to kill us got their race massacred and land destroyed to no point of return.

Why ? Brahmahatya, God protects us.

And there are no brahmin converts today, all are dalits now or fake larpers.

Yes they were lol, and they did. Any history book will tell you this.

They did kill you guys, the most notable figure to do it was Sikander Shah Mir. He literally went on a rampage specifically targeting Brahmins and almost wiped you guys out of existence in Kashmir. You want to know what the best part is? He was a Gujjar from Swat lol. I guess Brahmins aren't the master race you make them out to be if you lost to a low caste tribal from Swat eh?

Muslims still inhabit Kashmir in large numbers, as well as Hindustan as a whole.

Hahaha, keep living in denial. I guess Allama Iqbal was lying when he said his family were Brahmin converts.

 

[Suriya]

Very apt anology


I don't give a fcuk about yoga or sanskrit but the heritage and history of our land and people won't be stolen by ganga dwellers because the cultural heritage of Pakistan influenced their primitive ganga ways

Ghanta mera lu*


Ghanta vedas, Ghanta yoga, Ghanta your bloody sansikrit. They all came AFTER the IVC was already 10 feet buried in the soil. What a turd!


We are the people of the land, our languages all trace back to Indus, Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtu. How many among you billion plus miserable lot can speak these languages of Indus basin. How many among you carry the traditions and culture of Indus basin? Whatever influence is there, is just because those lands were once part of Indus.

We stuffed the major power of the world called Alexander the great and send him packing from our lands. Majority of us were already Muslims when the first extra regional Muslim army came to this region and we facilitated them to conquer the rest the of the subcontinent. The only time you gangadeshis receive the frontal assault from extra regional power, you caved in meekly , and that is when British came.

With this kind of assertion and logic , you know pretty well Pakistan has done or attempted Zero nada zilch of research on IVC / Harrapan civilization .

And they would always keep silent when India researches make publication based on latest archaeological and DNA tech , as Pakistanis would look freaking imbecile if they open they mouths to counter Indian argument in an international fora or publication.

PS : All this bombast , name calling and shitty arguments remain confined to PDF only and always at the threat of banning .

@Indus Pakistan @Oscar

 

[Water Car Engineer]

When I said proof, I meant a citation that proved people from IVC migrated further into Hindustan in significant numbers.

Proof enough to me that inhabitants outside the region are closely related to those same groups in ICV.. If ANI can mixed groups can move further down from that very location, no reason why ASI mixed groups from IVC didnt, it happened before and after, and kept happening for several more groups coming into India. It happened with the previous groups in Europe after they were invaded by C. Asians, and keeped happening to them when they were also invaded after being settled.

 

[Peshwa]

Maratha, yes, the arsonists and rapist looters who preyed on defenseless civilians. Very famous history.

Well then they sit in good company of the several barbaric Islamic invaders who had been doing this for a good millennia.
Only difference is, the Marathas were secular and pillaged Hindus and Muslims alike.

 

[Hamza913]

Proof enough to me that inhabitants outside the region are closely related to those same groups in ICV.. If ANI can mixed groups can move further down from that very location, no reason why ASI mixed groups from IVC didnt, it happened before and after, and kept happening for several more groups coming into India. It happened with the previous groups in Europe after they were invaded by C. Asians, and keeped happening to them when they were also invaded after being settled.

I don't care if you believe in it, I'm asking for proof of it. If you don't have any, then just say so.

It's unlikely what you are describing actually occurred, otherwise we would see that the culture of IVC would have remained much more intact beyond the boundaries of IVC, but that's not the case. It seems as if the people of IVC just mixed with other people who migrated to the already decaying civilisation.

Well then they sit in good company of the several barbaric Islamic invaders who had been doing this for a good millennia.
Only difference is, the Marathas were secular and pillaged Hindus and Muslims alike.

Islamic invaders didn't indulge in mass rape I'm afraid, there's only evidence for widespread consensual relationships between them and South Asians.

Oh please, they literally cut someone's hand off for killing a cow.

you know pretty well Pakistan has done or attempted Zero nada zilch of research on IVC / Harrapan civilization .

Because we don't suffer from an identity crisis like you guys who seem fixated on trying to prove you are related to us lol.

You're yet to respond to any of my previous posts aimed at you, what's wrong? Afraid to admit I'm right?

 

[Peshwa]

You think the average Egyptian knew exactly what was in the pyramids in the 1900s? (Same era IVC was discovered)
Of course they knew there was a civilization there because of the gigantic pyramids but doesn’t mean they fully understood . Hell even know historians don’t fully understand Ancient Egyptian history and culture.

Did you even know that a civilization existed with its remains buried at Mohenjodaro or Harappa (until the British came around to find it)? a big fat NO!
Let alone know what the people of this civilization looked like, spoke, worshipped, ate?
You know NOTHING!
The British had to discover and excavate the sites for you half wits to even know such a thing existed. And this is part of your "ancestral" history, please show us evidence of how current day Pakistanis are a continuous homogenous civilization with DNA that matches that of the IVC people.

Yet somehow they're your ancestors? GTFO
Literally your only claim to fame is having a country on the same ground as the IVC, NOTHING more.

The history of IVC is the history of the land, NOT your people! Get that through your inbred skull.

Civilizations die and fall, and there are NUMEROUS civilizations that historians STILL have not discovered. Doesn’t mean they never existed and doesn’t mean they aren’t part of that nations history.

Only sane thing you've said so far.
So yes, IVC is a part of the history of the land, NOT your people. PERIOD!
Don't come up with this crap then or show us how you draw lineage, simple

quoting you verbatim:

Again, nice try Shudra. My descendants are both IVC inhabitants and Aryan, which were later mixed with the IVC people’s. Therefore all Pakistanis have roots in both.

And most Pakistanis don’t think that. We know we aren’t related to Arabs, we have our own history of IVC.

We just HATE when these aboriginal Shudras from the South claim the culture of the Indus which is thousands of miles from where you Dasyus live.

Basically, with your retarded logic you’re telling me that a Mexican farmer cannot claim Aztec civilization because he did not know it ever existed. You do know there are SOME people who don’t know about these civilizations and the history that accompanied them EVEN if it’s in their backyard right? It’s a historians JOB to educate them. You’re telling me that that Mexican farmer cannot claim his Aztec civilization as his because he doesn’t know it.
You do realize civilizations change very FREQUENTLY.

Here is a classic example of inbreeding and the type of brain degenerative diseases that can come as a side effect.

Read my comments again. What happened on the land doesn't become the history of YOUR people. Its the history of the land. That's it!
You can claim it as history of Pakistan (the geographical entity) NOT the Pakistani people.

Besides, riddle me this....
So according to popular theories, if the people of the IVC abandoned/were pushed out/killed by invaders, how can present day Pakistanis claim ANY ancestry of the IVC? No one knows what happened to them, PERIOD!
And here you're claiming modern day Pakistanis are "blood" of the IVC?! LOL

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Now we got another retarded straw mans arguement. Pakistanis can’t claim IVC because there is no genetic evidence linking IVC people and modern day Pakistanis? What the hell is wrong with you?
You do realize that this region has remained pretty much the same genetically since the Aryan invasion right?

If you're going to claim being someones descendent, you better have proof. Nothing more credible than DNA since you literally know NOTHING about the people of IVC nor do you display any characteristics such as culture, language, religion etc that would give some credence to you being their direct descendent.

We know who your father is because you have genetic similarities, hence you can claim to be his descendent. Do you have any genetic (OR ANY) similarities with the people of the IVC? if so, what are they?

Let me make another straw mans argument then for you as well. Since there is NO evidence proving that Pakistanis are NOT linked to IVC people, your ARGUMENT IS MOOT. That’s what you call a straw mans argument. You need logical and critical thinking skills to understand this.

By the same logic, there is NO evidence proving that Indians are NOT linked to the IVC people, so we must be their descendants as well then?
Don't try to act bigger than your shoes. Evidence for claims is what I'm asking, starting with the para I first quoted you in. Keep it simple and answer the question. No need to go full retard.

 

[Suriya]

Because we don't suffer from an identity crisis like you guys who seem fixated on trying to prove you are related to us lol.

I know things like archaeological excavation of the ancient past , historical research , anthropology , scholarly dissertation , DNA study of early civilizations are meaningless in Pakistan as all that matters for you is La ilaha . @hussain0216

 

[Hamza913]

I know things like archaeological excavation of the ancient past , historical research , anthropology , scholarly dissertation , DNA study of early civilizations are meaningless in Pakistan as all that matters for you is La ilaha . @hussain0216

Lmao nice to see you won't respond to my arguments.

I'll take your silence as an admission of being wrong, thank you.

 

[Peshwa]

Islamic invaders didn't indulge in mass rape I'm afraid, there's only evidence for widespread consensual relationships between them and South Asians.

riiiiiiiiiiight!
They were noble beasts, is that it??
I suppose Islamic invaders didn't take slaves either did they?
I mean where do you even come up with this mind numbing concoctions of fact?

Invaders in the medieval times used rape as a tool of war. This is common for ALL invaders, Islamic invaders are nothing special.

 

[Hamza913]

all that matters for you is La ilaha

And all that matters to you is that you can convince yourself that you are from the Indus lol.

Inferiority complex at it's finest.

 

[hussain0216]

I know things like archaeological excavation of the ancient past , historical research , anthropology , scholarly dissertation , DNA study of early civilizations are meaningless in Pakistan as all that matters for you is La ilaha . @hussain0216

All that matters to us is that unpure black hindus from ganga land dont try to co opt or connect themselves with the heritage and land of Pakistan

This is Pak sarzameen, land of the pure

Dont talk about the history ir heritage of this land and people

 

[Hamza913]

riiiiiiiiiiight!
They were noble beasts, is that it??
I suppose Islamic invaders didn't take slaves either did they?
I mean where do you even come up with this mind numbing concoctions of fact?

Invaders in the medieval times used rape as a tool of war. This is common for ALL invaders, Islamic invaders are nothing special.

Did they takes slaves? Yes, that's pretty evident in the history books.

Did they commit mass rape? No, there is no evidence of that. You're making the claim, so the onus of proof is on you, because as per historical sources from the time, most of the sex that went on was with consent from both parties involved.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I don't care if you believe in it, I'm asking for proof of it. If you don't have any, then just say so.

It's unlikely what you are describing actually occurred, otherwise we would see that the culture of IVC would have remained much more intact beyond the boundaries of IVC, but that's not the case. It seems as if the people of IVC just mixed with other people who migrated to the already decaying civilisation.

Not if the ANI migration happened after it was already decayed. The ANI group didnt preserve it's culture, architecture, script, etc. like they did in Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Egypt, because by the time of those people's invasion those cultures, society were still strong.

And there was an eastern migration, as proven with the settlements(and genes...) increasingly going from west to east. With the beginning mixture forming ASI at the extreme frontier going west to east. So with the beginning genes forming the Indus vally civ people's starting at Iran not even that long ago, what makes you they didnt go past Pakistan? Should even be a question, because it did.

The scenario was similar to Eastern Europe when pastoralist invaded, nothing much was going on, and the civ was already decayed and went back to rural state when they invaded.

As far as proof. Genetic proof is enough for me. ICV people have the most commonality with the low caste, tribal people's of Pakistan, North India. And they have the most commonality with even more people's outside that region even.