Wasim Jaffer and the Futile Pursuit of Being a 'Good Muslim' in India

[HostileInsurgent]

He is not vampanthi or dakshinpanthi or any other 'panthi'. But he can be ANY 'panthi' which serves his purpose. That is his core character. Isko lagta tha ki iska character kisiko pata nahi. Ab isko pata chal raha hai ki sabko pata tha, ab bol bhi rahe hai. Iski halat patli hai. Fatega jaldi. Timing ki talash me hai. Aur soch raha hai ki ulta na pad jaye. Calculation kar raha hai. Apne aap to apne acncestors se bada mathematician samajhta hai.

Seeing communists reminds me of Ronald Reagan’s jokes

 

[jamahir]

Ohh please, marxists won’t understand what our Dharma is, we are seekers, not believers.

The underlined... what does it mean ?

If whataboutism goes then who is better than you vampanthi communsts, who in every government megaproject come with banners with, “What about nature? what about poor? What about global warming? What about this and that” written.

Being a vampanthi myself let me do a simple Whataboutery.

On three big projects and purchases in the last few years the government spent or will be spending 12,417 crores. These items are that unnecessary statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the two Air India One planes and the new parliament building.

Why couldn't the government spend some of that money on building a free, high-quality hospital in Delhi for treatment of cancers and other necessities like kidney and liver transplant ? And the remaining money be spent on developing urgent capability and research to enable Mars settlement by the mid 2030s ? Don't you think these two things are better than those in the previous paragraph ?

You’re just A ÇØMMÜŃÎ$T $H!THØŁĘ, you marxists don’t believe in gods, hence atleast don’t talk about religion.

Firstly, for myself I believe in the supremacy of Nature but it is not necessary that a communist has to be an atheist.

Secondly, below is the Google result for the keyword "Communism" :

Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia

What is your objection to such a wonderful and humane set of ideas ?

The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs.

Firstly, Islam, like Communism, is a transnational idea.

Secondly, isn't there a Hindu idea called "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" which means "The world is one family" ?

Thirdly, national borders are man-made. All the three above ideas indicate this. We should all work towards a situation where all humans on this world are governed by a single, non-bordered progressive political, social and economic system.

Caste cannot be identified, you are born in your fathers caste.

Rohith Vemula was NOT dalit, i repeat he was NOT dalit and no amount of identification changes that.

Then why was he seen by the upper caste university officials to be a Dalit who can be harassed ? Obviously, those people did not see him as not aligning to his father's non-Dalit caste.

if one could just identified as other caste ,why would have anyone converted due to caste bias ?

I don't understand. Explain.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-to-8000-bc/articleshow/45924948.cms?from=mdr

The below extracts are enlightening :

The Centre for Cellular & Molecular Biology (CCMB), Hyderabad undertook a genetic research project in 2009, which proved that there are tribal settlements in India that are much more ancient than the Sanskrit-speakers as suggested by Bhardwaj.

So why is the professor putting up unverifiable claims about a Vedic community that’s about 10,000 years old whereas there is clear scientific evidence of tribal communities that are more than six times older?

Asked why he did not focus on ancient India in terms of tribal communities that were proven to be much older than the said Vedic Age, Bhardwaj said he had not studied genetics and therefore did not understand the said research project by the Hyderabad Laboratory.

“Anybody who wants to examine history has to take into account the available texts, linguistics, archaeology, environmental research and genetics.

As a historian, you can conduct your own research but you have to factor in evidence provided by all these fields of academics before you arrive at any conclusion. You definitely cannot ignore genetics anymore,” said Thapar.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...se-of-weaker-monsoon/articleshow/52485332.cms

I am neither a geneticist nor a professional archaeologist but I find the below idea doubtful. Also, there is no evidence to prove that IVC had any connection to Hinduism :

KOLKATA: It may be time to rewrite history textbooks. Scientists from IIT-Kharagpur and Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) have uncovered evidence that the Indus Valley Civilization is at least 8,000 years old, and not 5,500 years old, taking root well before the Egyptian (7000BC to 3000BC) and Mesopotamian (6500BC to 3100BC) civilizations. What’s more, the researchers have found evidence of a pre-Harappan civilization that existed for at least 1,000 years before this.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

These items are that unnecessary statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the two Air India One planes and the new parliament building.

I know, “What about poor”? “What about Nature”? “What about Schools”. Unnecessary purchase was those AugustaWestland helicopters that Antonia Maino was busy buying with corruption.

Why couldn't the government spend some of that money on building a free, high-quality hospital in Delhi for treatment of cancers and other necessities like kidney and liver transplant ?

Kejriwal already claims that he has made Delhi hospitals, “world class”. Then why accusing BJP for it, instead laud Kejriwal then. We all saw how “world class” hospitals were becoming graveyards during pandemic until Amit Shah intervened.

but it is not necessary that a communist has to be an atheist.

Then by that logic It is not necessary that a Christian worships Jesus

What is your objection to such a wonderful and humane set of ideas ?

Human resource development model is best, fvck Communism and Capitalism both.

 

[jamahir]

I know, “What about poor”? “What about Nature”? “What about Schools”.

Don't you want India to have those ?

Unnecessary purchase was those AugustaWestland helicopters that Antonia Maino was busy buying with corruption.

So why do you want to follow in the footsteps of corrupt Congress ?

Kejriwal already claims that he has made Delhi hospitals, “world class”. Then why accusing BJP for it, instead laud Kejriwal then.

Any article about this ?

We all saw how “world class” hospitals were becoming graveyards during pandemic until Amit Shah intervened.

What did Shah do ?

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Any article about this ?

His whole election campaign was based upon this tagline, we have the best schools, we have the best hospitals, we have the best of the best everything, while covid exposed his hospital claims badly and the fact that none of their miniter’s kids are studying in government schools speak volumes on how good the schools are, and the condition of roads, we all know lmao.

 

[jamahir]

His whole election campaign was based upon this tagline, we have the best schools, we have the best hospitals, we have the best of the best everything, while covid exposed his hospital claims badly and the fact that none of their miniter’s kids are studying in government schools speak volumes on how good the schools are, and the condition of roads, we all know lmao.

Then you should be supporting Swaraj India which broke away from AAP because SI said that AAP has deviated from the AAP's founding principles.

If at this point you don't want to support the Left then at least support the Left of Center ( Swaraj India ).

 

[PradoTLC]

Wasim Jaffer and the Futile Pursuit of Being a 'Good Muslim' in India
In the popular Hindu imagination, as long as Muslim public figures remain subservient to the dominant 'nationalist' thought and keep their faith private, they are patronisingly regarded as the kind of Muslims their co-religionists should emulate.

Wasim Jaffer. Photo: Twitter/@@kaushikrj6

Parth Pandya

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During India’s emphatic Test series win in Australia earlier this year, Mohammad Siraj, a young debutant emerged as one of the many new heroes. From making his debut at Melbourne as a replacement for the injured Mohammad Shami, Siraj had to lead the attack by the time the team reached Brisbane.
But more than his bowling exploits, what stood out the most about Siraj’s first tour down under was his show of courage when he took a firm stand against racist comments from a section of the Australian crowd during the Sydney Test.
The heckling was heavily criticised in both Australian and Indian media.
Many former and current Indian cricketers admired Siraj’s refusal to take abuse lying down and standing up for what’s right. Among them was also former India and Mumbai opening batsman Wasim Jaffer.


A Test specialist back in the day and no less than a legend in India’s domestic circuit, Jaffer has lately acquired a new set of fans for his rather quirky and humorous social media presence.
Reacting to Siraj being subjected to racist comments, Jaffer tweeted a meme using a template from a popular Shahrukh Khan film implying that in Indian culture, guests are treated like gods.


While Jaffer’s idea was to condemn racism and abuse, his messaging also aimed at exceptionalising Indian society from what is now widely accepted as a global problem. The idea that India is immune to discrimination based on race, colour, caste, and creed is quite common among the Indian middle class and Jaffer, perhaps inadvertently, ended up further bolstering that highly misplaced narrative.
None of this is worth revisiting. Except that in little over a month, from elevating India’s innate cultural morality on a pedestal, Jaffer himself has had to face the ugliest face of rampant bigotry that is increasingly becoming the defining characteristic of the proverbial New India. Just a day after he offered his resignation as the head coach of Uttarakhand, reports began surfacing in sections of the media hinting at Jaffer promoting communal disharmony in the team’s culture.
Cricket Association of Uttarakhand secretary Mahim Verma and team manager Navneet Mishra have accused Jaffer of exerting religious bias in team selections and inviting Maulvis to offer religious prayers in the dressing room.
Also read: ‘Didn’t Invite Maulavis, Communal Angle Sad,’ Says Uttarakhand Coach Wasim Jaffer Amidst Row
The media report also claims Jaffer insisted on secularising the chants team players use as a source of motivation and bonding. In a press conference in Mumbai, Jaffer squarely denied every single charge and offered a clarification from his official Twitter handle too.


That a cricketer of Jaffer’s repute, with 31 Test caps for India, has to defend himself against such malicious charges is not at all independent of the religious faith he belongs to. The allegations do not simply question his professional integrity but are rather very guilefully implying that a Muslim is incapable of putting his duty above his faith.
These insinuations have long been made against Muslim public figures from politics and film industry but for some reason, cricket had remained by and large immune thus far.
But it is not as if the Muslim cricketers who represented India at the highest level had not gone out of their way to fit into the majority’s idea of what qualifies as a ‘good Muslim’. In the popular Hindu imagination, as long as Muslim public figures remain subservient to the dominant ‘nationalist’ thought and keep their faith private, they are patronisingly regarded as the kind of Muslims their co-religionists should emulate. This involves publicly displaying fondness for Hindu traditions, accepting that Muslims are beneficiaries of Hindu largesse, and of course taking occasional digs at Pakistan. As long as these are met, one is certified as an ideal Muslim of the APJ Abdul Kalam mould.
Like other public figures, India’s Muslim cricketers too have largely adhered to these expectations. Not one has used the public platform to give voice to the socio-political concerns and anxieties that are specific to the Muslim community. Displaying their religious identity has silently been accepted as a no-go area. Be it the public lynchings, the organised violence, or the framing of laws specifically designed to target people of their faith, Muslim cricketers have refused to speak up as Muslims. At best, they would go only as far as appealing to the good conscience of the Indian people and invoking the national ethos.


Former India all-rounder Irfan Pathan has had a taste of these boundaries first hand. At the peak of his popularity, Pathan was among the most glamorous Indian cricketers. He had even been roped in by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party government in his home state of Gujarat to campaign for then Chief Minister Narendra Modi during the 2012 elections. Pathan has come a long way since and today doesn’t shy away from calling out the growing bigotry in social discourse.
Though he remains fairly careful in keeping his appeals ‘apolitical’, that hasn’t proved sufficient to guard him against the worst possible Islamophobic name-calling. Pathan is no longer the ‘good Muslim’ that the majority approves of.
Pathan’s more celebrated colleague and one of India’s greatest fast bowlers Zaheer Khan has instead entirely maintained a blind eye to the plight of his community over the years. In fact, on India’s 2004 tour to Pakistan, talking to the Pakistani media, Khan went a step ahead and called the then Shiv Sena chief and ethno-religious hardliner Bal Thackeray a ‘misunderstood’ leader. One would be hard pressed to find a bigger example of an Indian Muslim going any further in pandering to majoritarian sentiments. And yet, years later when Khan got engaged to actor Sagarika Ghatge, the Hindutva ecosystem barely kept in check its blatantly bigoted and imagined ‘love jihad’ narrative.
But what makes Jaffer’s ordeal even more repugnant is that unlike Khan and Pathan, he had not once in action or words deviated from the template a prominent Indian Muslim is expected to live by in public life. But when push came to shove, his identity in itself was more than enough. Also, unlike the other incidents, obnoxious comments with communal undertones didn’t come from nameless and faceless trolls but from people occupying fairly important offices. The bigotry hitherto confined to private spaces like dining tables and WhatsApp groups has seeped into public fora and is being normalised at a rate faster than many imagine.
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A little over a week ago, some of the biggest names in Indian cricket lined up to post embarrassingly identical tweets defending the Indian government against what was laughably being deemed an international conspiracy to defame India. That kind of urgency is certainly not on show when it comes to having to extend support to literally one of their own.
So far among the most revered players, only Anil Kumble has drafted a token response to Jaffer’s tweet without really addressing the crux of the issue. Pathan too has extended his solidarity. Dodda Ganesh and Manoj Tiwary, two prominent names in domestic cricket, have also come out in support.
But the biggest superstars are, to little surprise, conspicuous by their absence. The BCCI is yet to institutionally acknowledge the matter. And if their recent history at addressing uncomfortable truths is anything to go by, Jaffer is alone in this battle.
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Earlier this week, veteran Congress leader Ghulam Nabi Azad in his farewell speech in the Rajya Sabha reinforced every single cultural stereotype a practicing Muslim must meet in order to land the majority’s validation. He expressed his deepest gratitude for having been born into this land, declared India the safest possible haven for minorities, polemically talked up the religious plurality that is natural to India, and of course counted himself among the lucky ones to have never had the misfortune of visiting Pakistan.
This rosy portrayal of a make-believe India would’ve felt much more palpable if only just a couple of years back Azad would not have had to share his grievances at being ostracised owing to his faith by his fellow Congressmen. Azad’s party colleague and former Vice President of India Mohammad Hamid Ansari, a man of rarest distinction, has had to face the worst kind of hounding by the Indian media for merely highlighting the fears and anxieties clouding the Muslim community in new India.



Beyond a point, one’s achievements and contributions in public life simply cease to matter to a majority intoxicated by a sense of supremacy. The ugliness of the majoritarian project kicks in no matter the lengths to which one goes to acquire the status of a ‘good Muslim’.
Because beyond a point, good is not good enough.
Parth Pandya is an Ahmedabad-based freelance sports writer.

Wasim Jaffer and the Futile Pursuit of Being a 'Good Muslim' in India

In the popular Hindu imagination, as long as Muslim public figures remain subservient to the dominant 'nationalist' thought and keep their faith private, they are patronisingly regarded as the kind of Muslims their co-religionists should emulate.

thewire.in

so glad we are not with india....


imagine spewing out hate just to please a bigot hindu majority

 

[HostileInsurgent]

so glad we are not with india....


imagine spewing out hate just to please a bigot hindu majority

Lol, only you guys take The Wire’s articles seriously.

 

[PradoTLC]

I don’t understand why do Communist newspapers are even allowed to post BS in India, we love everyone irrespective of religion who gives mutual respect to us, we equally abuse commies and libtards whatever their religion is, from Kanhaiya Kumar to Umar Khalid to Faye D’Souza etc. They always post rubbish, thinking that putting muslims on the victim side always will make their articles readily consumable. While they could have talked about the lynching of a Hindu man Rinku Sharma by 4 Muslim men in New Delhi today but then secularism khatre me aa jata.

that is a complete load of crap you just typed.... i guess not having toilet seat means you have to unload crap some where else?

 

[HostileInsurgent]

that is a complete load of crap you just typed.... i guess not having toilet seat means you have to unload crap some where else?

You guys don’t even have toilets according to Imran Khan, you’re telling us?

 

[lightoftruth]

I am neither a geneticist nor a professional archaeologist but I find the below idea doubtful. Also, there is no evidence to prove that IVC had any connection to Hinduism :

Agreed you are not, but their are enough evidences, not one but many which shows Sanatan dharm being practiced in IVC, their were Shiva temples ,swastika ,Parashuram seals etc all present in National Museum Delhi and accepted by all including so called "liberals" unfortunately you are too bigoted to accept them.

 

[jamahir]

Agreed you are not, but their are enough evidences, not one but many which shows Sanatan dharm being practiced in IVC, their were Shiva temples ,swastika ,Parashuram seals etc all present in National Museum Delhi and accepted by all including so called "liberals" unfortunately you are too bigoted to accept them.

So what was the script used in IVC language ?

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

So what was the script used in IVC language ?

The cultural continuity between IVC and modern Indian culture has been well established..those women wore sindoors..modern Indian women also apply sindoors...Those women wore sarees, modern Indian women also wear sarees..Their priest-Kings, Gods used to perform meditation in padmasana ...Modern Indian yogis do the same..

The script was probably never a fully realized language..even without it, we can suss out enough information about the cultural life of IVC

 

[Hiptullha]

Their parents don’t say so, and I don’t trust the Police anymore, 4 Muslims lynching a Hindu boy because he was collecting funds for a Temple, you want the video?

I trust local authorities over the parents of a Hindu thug who died flailing a knife around like a rabid animal.

The cultural continuity between IVC and modern Indian culture has been well established..those women wore sindoors..modern Indian women also apply sindoors...Those women wore sarees, modern Indian women also wear sarees..Their priest-Kings, Gods used to perform meditation in padmasana ...Modern Indian yogis do the same..

IVC use toilets...modern Indians squat over the carcasses of Dalits. Cultural continuity already shattered.

not one but many which shows Sanatan dharm being practiced in IVC, their were Shiva temples ,swastika ,Parashuram seals

No, this is conjecture, not proof.