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I mean here in NYC he could move to Little Pakistan in Coney Island, Brooklyn

I am sure things would be different living in Pakistani community? I mean you would feel less threatened and less alien to place and people. Also children get to play within community and again dont feel "different".

What I have seen so far in my life is, its impossible to take out Pakistanism out of a ****, Pakistanism is not just colour or the look, but the food, the dress, the jokes, the intellect, the manners , the way of speaking. No matter for how long you live abroad you ll miss those things. In order to feed your pakistanism living abroad best things is to mix with other countrymen, you ll surely fine people like exactly yourself.
 
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I am sure things would be different living in Pakistani community? I mean you would feel less threatened and less alien to place and people. Also children get to play within community and again dont feel "different".

What I have seen so far in my life is, its impossible to take out Pakistanism out of a ****, Pakistanism is not just colour or the look, but the food, the dress, the jokes, the intellect, the manners , the way of speaking. No matter for how long you live abroad you ll miss those things. In order to feed your pakistanism living abroad best things is to mix with other countrymen, you ll surely fine people like exactly yourself.
I know what you mean. Its the overall Psyche.
 
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Discrimination is everywhere in Human societies... Running from it will not change...
So learn / Teach yourself/Kids to Defend themselves... Give them The keys to adapt their behavior to X or Y situation.

In Europe, Muslims or any Discriminated minority usually don't Shut up when they Hear something targeting them... Even if many times, it could end up bad... But at least, they stood up for themselves.
I think it depends a lot on his education level.
 
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Sick and Tired of battling racial prejudice in White America Reborn. Especially being muslim we face Jokes, puns, innuendos which just makes you sick to your stomach. And we as a community day by day absorb the venom that White Americans have to spew out and instead of doing something about it. We become angry and fight within ourselves. An internalized and intra racism type of situation. And we use that venom that we absorbed and throw it around on our fellow muslims.

I've heard people mocking me, my brown/muslim appearance, muslim women, Prophet Muhammad alai salam etc etc sometimes in disguised words, and somwtimes openly(sometimes in a joke and sometimes in a very hostile manner)

For them you just have to be white in color. Doesnt matter if your are of African descent with curly hair, if you are muslim, mexican or whatever if you are white in color all is good. If not get ready to have a truckload of bs thrown at you. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE WHITE.

If being a muslim I want to be accepted in a social group or want a nicer job/higher position. I cannot have my religion reflect poorly on the company. And I should be ready to give up the beard, salah, quran

Ohh and you cannot have an accent. Either you speak murican or u dont (a girl literally once told me you dont speak American I was like girl that aint even a language but thats beside the point).

With previous regimes they kept up appearances of being this exaggerated liberator/savior of humanity. And we the muslims had pur own safety nets i.e stay in muslim majority/liberal metropolitan areas and dont go to white country outside of Chicago, parts of mid-west, NYC, NJ, California, etc. But now all of these safety nets and filters are withering away. With the new Mr.President.

And assuming this is going to be the case in most European countries.

I would like to escape the West.

So fellow PDfers if you could please recommend a reasonable country where a practising muslim family can live comfortably without facing hatred.

I was considering gulf countrues but they also seem to have the whole arab vs non arab hate disease. I thought of China(xinjiang) but they went ahead and threw all muslims into concentration camps including wives of some Pakistanis. I thought of Turkey but they are very vey divided about accepting proper muslims vs impressing eu/non muslim white people.

Is Allah azzawajal testing me??

What choices would you recommend people??
I didnt bother reading the whole of your post just browsed really quickly...

1) the whole earth is God's place before anyone elses! Keep that in mind
2) Stop minding other people's business...Allah will only ask you about what you do and how much you do for others! Not what xyz does/say to/about others....As long as your path is straight why worry? Tawakkal Allah is something that is part of imaan!
3) Wherever you go, they may have a predetermined mindset about a people, religion, culture but you are the ambassador of YOUR people, religion and culture...Behave properly and you can change the mind of few....Even few is better than none!
4) If you hear people laughing/ making fun of you/ mocking you....smile (Prophet did so)...They will either feel ashamed or will laugh further from ignorance...Remember if they laugh some more you know they are not worth your time/ dime! If they feel ashamed, you know they are not totally dead souls!
5) I read somewhere:
if people's words can control you, everyone can control you...Take charge of yourself and let some slip/slide!

If you keep trying to appease another that will spoil you only!

Move whereever it makes you happy....If you cant find a happy spot make one...Because the main thing is to be close to ALLAH and ALLAH is everywhere even in America, UK, Pakistan, Middle east....EVERYWHERE!

Now, quit trolling and find something productive to do!
 
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I am sure things would be different living in Pakistani community? I mean you would feel less threatened and less alien to place and people. Also children get to play within community and again dont feel "different".

What I have seen so far in my life is, its impossible to take out Pakistanism out of a ****, Pakistanism is not just colour or the look, but the food, the dress, the jokes, the intellect, the manners , the way of speaking. No matter for how long you live abroad you ll miss those things. In order to feed your pakistanism living abroad best things is to mix with other countrymen, you ll surely fine people like exactly yourself.

Even if you are Half-Pakistani like me lol

Like I said there is good and bad in every community. Some are tolerant and some are not.

Look what happened recently at the Synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh.

Horrible.


You live in the States? I thought you live in Sweden.

Whites are 50/50 but J//ws 100 percent suck be its from anywhere to be honest yes the events in Pittsburgh were tragic
 
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Some of the Gulf Arabs can be racist. But usually I think they think better of Pakistanis. I think at the least.

I could be wrong.


I agree with you running away is not the solution to any problem.

But in USA, Muslims are a mere minority. How can they fight for their rights there?
Its not like in India, where Muslims can form their own political party.

Muslims are Always a minority in the West.
In Europe, Muslims stand up for themselves. Everyone take actions in the way they think fit. When you hear someone speaking badly about you... you answer back, it's simple.
If someone beat you... Beat him back.

You may be hurt in your pride, in your skin... but at least The one in front of you will remember...That you ain't a chicken and will think twice next time when he decide to prey on another "Minority/Muslim"...

That's how you impose respect. That's at least how we do it in Europe.
 
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Unfortunately the world has become too obsessed with judging appearances and paper "degrees" istead of the mettle of a human being.

I am sure things would be different living in Pakistani community? I mean you would feel less threatened and less alien to place and people. Also children get to play within community and again dont feel "different".

What I have seen so far in my life is, its impossible to take out Pakistanism out of a ****, Pakistanism is not just colour or the look, but the food, the dress, the jokes, the intellect, the manners , the way of speaking. No matter for how long you live abroad you ll miss those things. In order to feed your pakistanism living abroad best things is to mix with other countrymen, you ll surely fine people like exactly yourself.

I know what you mean. Its the overall Psyche.

I didnt bother reading the whole of your post just browsed really quickly...

1) the whole earth is God's place before anyone elses! Keep that in mind
2) Stop minding other people's business...Allah will only ask you about what you do and how much you do for others! Not what xyz does/say to/about others....As long as your path is straight why worry? Tawakkal Allah is something that is part of imaan!
3) Wherever you go, they may have a predetermined mindset about a people, religion, culture but you are the ambassador of YOUR people, religion and culture...Behave properly and you can change the mind of few....Even few is better than none!
4) If you hear people laughing/ making fun of you/ mocking you....smile (Prophet did so)...They will either feel ashamed or will laugh further from ignorance...Remember if they laugh some more you know they are not worth your time/ dime! If they feel ashamed, you know they are not totally dead souls!
5) I read somewhere:
if people's words can control you, everyone can control you...Take charge of yourself and let some slip/slide!

If you keep trying to appease another that will spoil you only!

Move whereever it makes you happy....If you cant find a happy spot make one...Because the main thing is to be close to ALLAH and ALLAH is everywhere even in America, UK, Pakistan, Middle east....EVERYWHERE!

Now, quit trolling and find something productive to do!
Good advice brothers you have brought a smile to my face. May Allah reward you. @Dubious thanks bro :)
 
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And while all this goes on a Pakistani guy stood for elections in a all white, all Christian town of Paris, Texas, USA and won as the Mayor ..... Mmmmm !




I mean even in "tolerant" Democrat Blue State NY we dont even have a Muslim in the State Assembly and State Senate many have ran both as Democrat and Republican in the past for those seats never elected despite the large Muslim Community here, I ran back in 2016 and lost lol.However in the NYC Council there is one Muslim dude but he is convert and a Democrat
 
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I never faced anything like that and i have been living in the UK for more than 13 years. In fact I have openly mocked others Goraaz when they were bringing religion or political debate and they tolerated it with grace and often laughed about it so I would say I met very open minded people and some of them were even atheists or agnostics. I remember my atheist manager used to give me break and separate room for prayers
 
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I didnt bother reading the whole of your post just browsed really quickly...

1) the whole earth is God's place before anyone elses! Keep that in mind
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Now, quit trolling and find something productive to do!
Exactly.... that's bulls eye :)

It isn't a good solution...Running was never a solution... against such "Behavior"
Don't take him seriously.
 
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I was only pulling his leg. I swear I would take my family in some mid town USA and be the only Pakistani family there then the Gulf with those arrogant Arabs calli g me 'Miskeen'.

In the West it all depends on how you handle yourself. If you work hard, have mannes, law abiding and are open to others they will [most] extend hand of friendship. At least that is my experiance and I have at times lived in 99% white towns in UK.

I don't know about the US, but in France, Being the Only Minority Family in the countryside, where The majority "Belief" differ from yours, is actually the safest place to be... Even more when your "Position" in the community make you "needed" among you peers.
Even more surprising is how a single different family can drastically change the mentality/POV of an entire community in few years...
 
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I was considering gulf countrues but they also seem to have the whole arab vs non arab hate disease. I thought of China(xinjiang) but they went ahead and threw all muslims into concentration camps including wives of some Pakistanis. I thought of Turkey but they are very vey divided about accepting proper muslims vs impressing eu/non muslim white people.



What choices would you recommend people??[/QUOTE]


I think you drank the "muh Uighur" cool aid from the VOA or State Department I have met several of those folks and they all laughed about those so called camps tbh.Then again China would be a good place to move if you knew Mandarin and the customs only same goes for East Asia in general
 
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