Want to leave West

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Ahmet Pasha I 100% agree with you about everything you stated. I have lived in the US in the northeast, Midwest, and South.

There are many great Americans here but recently with the way politics are becoming, it’s becoming harder to find such people. Most White Americans are becoming heavily racialized, militaristic, and xenophobic. 70% of them voted for Trump.

I just got my NICOP not too long ago and I’m looking forward to moving to Pakistan once I finish my education and gain enough work experience. We need to position ourselves in positions so that we can be an asset to Pakistan.

I am really worried about the American Muslim and American Pakistani communities as unorthodox beliefs, agnosticism, apostasy, and open self-hating of Pakistan, Muslims, and Islam is becoming rife among the current generation.

 

[MultaniGuy]

@Ahmet Pasha I 100% agree with you about everything you stated. I have lived in the US in the northeast, Midwest, and South.

There are many great Americans here but recently with the way politics are becoming, it’s becoming harder to find such people. Most White Americans are becoming heavily racialized, militaristic, and xenophobic. 70% of them voted for Trump.

I just got my NICOP not too long ago and I’m looking forward to moving to Pakistan once I finish my education and gain enough work experience. We need to position ourselves in positions so that we can be an asset to Pakistan.

I am really worried about the American Muslim and American Pakistani communities as unorthodox beliefs, agnosticism, apostasy, and open self-hating of Pakistan, Muslims, and Islam is becoming rife among the current generation.

Depends where you go bro. The new generation in Pakistan are quite the Mullahs.

Usually people in the west think it is impossible for Muslims to leave their faith.

 

[Zibago]

In Pakistan citizens have all the rights they need. Don't know what you are talking about.

Disagree with you on this one.
Some Western countries/areas have discrimination against religion like France, Quebec, and Switzerland.

Do you even live in Pakistan
Here only rich and powerful have rights

This is the true face of someone who faces hate everywhere..

@war&peace @Moonlight

Trying to act like coconuts and failing badly
Such sad creatures unwanted everywhere

 

[MultaniGuy]

Do you even live in Pakistan
Here only rich and powerful have rights


Trying to act like coconuts and failing badly
Such sad creatures unwanted everywhere

I have not visited Pakistan recently but my relatives are doing fine there thank you very much.

 

[Imran Khan]

what about canada

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

The part about self hatred is what I have observed quite a lot in the coming generation as you stated. A lot of muslim youths are just as confused as I am around me.
The racism between our very own people is what angers me most.

@Ahmet Pasha I 100% agree with you about everything you stated. I have lived in the US in the northeast, Midwest, and South.

There are many great Americans here but recently with the way politics are becoming, it’s becoming harder to find such people. Most White Americans are becoming heavily racialized, militaristic, and xenophobic. 70% of them voted for Trump.

I just got my NICOP not too long ago and I’m looking forward to moving to Pakistan once I finish my education and gain enough work experience. We need to position ourselves in positions so that we can be an asset to Pakistan.

I am really worried about the American Muslim and American Pakistani communities as unorthodox beliefs, agnosticism, apostasy, and open self-hating of Pakistan, Muslims, and Islam is becoming rife among the current generation.

 

[Clutch]

I am sorry to say this but you have more rights here than compared to a muslim country. The reason these sadistic white supremacists mess with some brown skin people is because they know they won't fight back. Blacks have faced the brunt of it for years and were left alone when they fought back. When I say fight back it doesn't necessarily mean get physical but you can take them to court and sue the shit out of them.

I agree... For now rule of law and justice is available to fight back against oppression in USA.

However, things are changing fast. The social, government, and legal system is turning away from equality and justice.

Once Trump gets his way, and majority of the Supreme Court Judges are Right Winged Islamaphobs... Things will continue to get worse..
Especially for Muslims and other visible minorities in America.

All things come to an end. It is human history and destiny.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

China is pretty openly throwing uighur muslims into concentration camps. Not long before rest of the world follows suite.
We nuslims will have to suffer what the ashaba karam had to go through at hands of makkans.

It almost makes me think that I am crazy for saying this. But world events are going in this direction. I wouldnt believe myself aaying this a couple of years ago.

Just like how a few decades ago no one would have believed how muslim world will burn at the hands of muslims first and then others. Since we were so obsessed with Israel and Palestine. And then we saw what happened in Syria, Yemen, Lybia and our very own Pakistan.

Worst case was Lybia. Which was essentially surgically dismantled as in surgical torture amusing for the torturers. And then the whole cou try fed to the wolves.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is not so much Trump, but the future in which the West is heading towards which is worrying. I frankly don’t see much of a future for minorities in this country. Trump is terrible, but they are plenty of racist murderers in waiting who are actually not incompetent and calculated killers.

The upturn of shootings of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, and Latin people is proof of this very strong and cultivated psychopathic undercurrent in America.

Remember guys, this is the same nation that 50 years back were lynching and decapitating Blacks in broad daylight with full support of police, military, and political figures.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Shhh...dont you know they are the grand liberators of the entire planet. Hahahahaha

Seriously tho u made a strong point.

It is not so much Trump, but the future in which the West is heading towards which is worrying. I frankly don’t see much of a future for minorities in this country. Trump is terrible, but they are plenty of racist murderers in waiting who are actually not incompetent and calculated killers.

The upturn of shootings of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, and Latin people is proof of this very strong and cultivated psychopathic undercurrent in America.

Remember guys, this is the same nation that 50 years back were lynching and decapitating Blacks in broad daylight with full support of police, military, and political figures.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Shhh...dont you know they are the grand liberators of the entire planet. Hahahahaha

Seriously tho u made a strong point.

People in this thread are saying stay within our diaspora communities and live in liberal cities in the US, but this disease spreading from conservative America is poisoning the whole of the country.

Those of us who have lived in their strongholds know that today it is the racists and the Christian religious fanatics who are determining policy and the future of the US.

Instead of burying our head in the sand, we need to understand the way of thinking of our enemies.

Pakistan’s biggest problem has always been the naïveté in which it’s government have been manipulated by Western nations. The diaspora can be a great asset of Pakistan as we fully realize the mentality of the American lawmakers and military.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Absolurmtely Khan should find a way to bring the diaspora back and use them to restore Pakistan.

People in this thread are saying stay within our diaspora communities and live in liberal cities in the US, but this disease spreading from conservative America is poisoning the whole of the country.

Those of us who have lived in their strongholds know that today it is the racists and the Christian religious fanatics who are determining policy and the future of the US.

Instead of burying our head in the sand, we need to understand the way of thinking of our enemies.

Pakistan’s biggest problem has always been the naïveté in which it’s government have been manipulated by Western nations. The diaspora can be a great asset of Pakistan as we fully realize the mentality of the American lawmakers and military.

 

[I.R.A]

Absolurmtely Khan should find a way to bring the diaspora back and use them to restore Pakistan.

Use them to restore Pakistan? You mean people who are already confused and left Pakistan for their own personal gains would help restore Pakistan? What exactly this restoring Pakistan mission is?

None of you desi gora lot would be able to spend a day in streets of Pakistan on your own ........ and you would restore Pakistan ......... keep your confusion to yourselves and just worry about your own futures ....... the reason you left Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sick and Tired of battling racial prejudice in White America Reborn. Especially being muslim we face Jokes, puns, innuendos which just makes you sick to your stomach. And we as a community day by day absorb the venom that White Americans have to spew out and instead of doing something about it. We become angry and fight within ourselves. An internalized and intra racism type of situation. And we use that venom that we absorbed and throw it around on our fellow muslims.

I've heard people mocking me, my brown/muslim appearance, muslim women, Prophet Muhammad alai salam etc etc sometimes in disguised words, and somwtimes openly(sometimes in a joke and sometimes in a very hostile manner)

For them you just have to be white in color. Doesnt matter if your are of African descent with curly hair, if you are muslim, mexican or whatever if you are white in color all is good. If not get ready to have a truckload of bs thrown at you. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE WHITE.

If being a muslim I want to be accepted in a social group or want a nicer job/higher position. I cannot have my religion reflect poorly on the company. And I should be ready to give up the beard, salah, quran

Ohh and you cannot have an accent. Either you speak murican or u dont (a girl literally once told me you dont speak American I was like girl that aint even a language but thats beside the point).

With previous regimes they kept up appearances of being this exaggerated liberator/savior of humanity. And we the muslims had pur own safety nets i.e stay in muslim majority/liberal metropolitan areas and dont go to white country outside of Chicago, parts of mid-west, NYC, NJ, California, etc. But now all of these safety nets and filters are withering away. With the new Mr.President.

And assuming this is going to be the case in most European countries.

I would like to escape the West.

So fellow PDfers if you could please recommend a reasonable country where a practising muslim family can live comfortably without facing hatred.

I was considering gulf countrues but they also seem to have the whole arab vs non arab hate disease. I thought of China(xinjiang) but they went ahead and threw all muslims into concentration camps including wives of some Pakistanis. I thought of Turkey but they are very vey divided about accepting proper muslims vs impressing eu/non muslim white people.

Is Allah azzawajal testing me??

What choices would you recommend people??

Hi,

I had read your post partially---.

I think it is BS---. There is discrimination against every other ethnic group in some areas one way or the other---..

There is more discrimination in pakistan than in the US---.

Who made you the judge of being a proper muslim---only Allah knows who is a proper muslim and who is a fraudster-.

In your intro---you show your age to be 21---so what do you have to offer to the society at this age---what level of education that you have that you gain importance as a citizen---.

No american---white black yellow or brown has challenged me about my religion---they only want to know what do I bring to the table---for that reason---at age 61 + and after being out of job for 3 years due to an injury I got hired by a white guy in his late 30's for a job that is paying me low six figures a year---where the senior most associate in my category is making in the high 6 figures a year---.

So---don't give us a sob story and BS about america---this is still the land of opportunity---. But you have to have something to take your share---.

@Indus Pakistan posted a video of a pakistani origin mayor in the city of Paris Texas---a surgeon who became a mayor of a small texas town---.

If you feel sorry for your self---or feel that you are holier than others---and your religion and belief is superior to others---and you are the only muslim who is practising his faith like a muslim should---then it seems like the problem is not with the US the problem would be reflecting back at you when you look into the mirror---.

 

[Valar.]

Does your family feel the same or is it just you?
If it's whole family thingy then surely you guys need to relocate.
If it's just you, which i think it is, you need to diagnose the root cause of your problem.