Vote in Japan to change status of disputed islands threatens to raise tensions with China

[Suika]

Sovereignty and administration are very different, and that's why trusteeship is important. Just ask East Timor. And Diaoyu islands are uninhabited rocks. Did the US sent coast guard patrolling them and driving the Chinese fisherman away? Did the US erect any marker on the island? There was no exercise of administration over the islands by the US, as such it is unknown to China. These are historically associated island of Taiwan, as such a claim to Taiwan would include them as well. There no so specific claim to the other associated islands such as the Pengjia & Mianhua island off of Taiwan as well, but sovereignty over these are a given.

Again, that is besides the point, if any China that islands belonged to them, then it doesn't matter what the status was, China would have the claim on them from the beginning. But they didn't. Even South China Ses claim is older than Senkaku.

Well, it seems that you don't know F-4 has a range of 2700 km, the lack of military knowledge is astonishing in you.

And to say your conclusion is a joke itself is a conclusion, and it has source and studies to back them up, even your own intelligence's war simulation conclude that the American would lose any war to China in Asia Pacific, probably saving a nuclear one, let along Japan and/or Taiwan.

So stop wasting my time by your clueless and amateurish conclusions OK? the US DoD's exporter think the US will lose to China in any war in Asia-Pacific region, let along Japan or Taiwan (I bet in their simulation/studies, they have already add the Japan/Taiwian's force into their equation).

So its laughable to think Taiwan/Japan along can take on China, let along defeat China, you are bring a knife to a machine-gun fight, my poor boy. ​

And how soon would F-4s have to arrive on scene? 5 minutes to scramble off the ground and then the flight time to get to the East China Sea.

You're getting embarrassing now. If you're fushing for last word to look tough, you're not getting it.

 

[52051]

Again, that is besides the point, if any China that islands belonged to them, then it doesn't matter what the status was, China would have the claim on them from the beginning. But they didn't. Even South China Ses claim is older than Senkaku.



And how soon would F-4s have to arrive on scene? 5 minutes to scramble off the ground and then the flight time to get to the East China Sea.

You're getting embarrassing now. If you're fushing for last word to look tough, you're not getting it.

As expected, your IQ is pretty low:

But how long the combat will last, and how many of successive attack will come, if the first batch of Chinese fighters/bombers are already at the magnitude of hunderds?

It only take less than hour for a F-4 to travel from the south of Japan to the north of Japan, half a hour at emercgy, japan is very small country.

The Chinese side using electronic warfare to fool the Japanese that there are a large group of Chinese military planes approaching and entering the Japan airspace, so there would have been a large combat, and they don't know how depth and width the intrudison will be, so of cause they will throw everything they got to prepare.

And since Chinese bombers can carries cruise missiles travels a thousand of miles or more, they could also launch these missiles to attack your airports and destroy these fighters who did not take off.

In your perfect world, if enemy get 500 fighter/bombers are approaching and entering your airspace from north, you will only send your fighters in north, even if you only get 200 there, and let the rest stationed in airports, and being sitting ducks for Chinese target practices etc.

Stop talking about military matters, you are a joke basically.

Your own expert at DoD believe the US will lose any war in China if it happens in Asia-Pacific, so not just my conclusion, you know my rather very dumb friend.

Diaoyu island is a disputed terroirty between China and Japan.

For instance a quick search give you that in 2013 along, China's police ships has stayed within the 12 mil of the island region for 54 days according to Japan government statistics.

https://news.sohu.com/20140112/n393368371.shtml

And that in 2013, nowadays Japan don't have any serious force to prevent China from taking this island, they just hide behind the US and count on the americans, but if a war over Taiwan has break out, and China wins as expected by both Chinese and American defence expert, then it is all over for this hiding, China could make the next move in that direction.

 

[Suika]

As expected, your IQ is pretty low:

But how long the combat will last, and how many of successive attack will come, if the first batch of Chinese fighters/bombers are already at the magnitude of hunderds?

It only take less than hour for a F-4 to travel from the south of Japan to the north of Japan, half a hour at emercgy, japan is very small country.

The Chinese side using electronic warfare to fool the Japanese that there are a large group of Chinese military planes approaching and entering the Japan airspace, so there would have been a large combat, and they don't know how depth and width the intrudison will be, so of cause they will throw everything they got to prepare.

And since Chinese bombers can carries cruise missiles travels a thousand of miles or more, they could also launch these missiles to attack your airports and destroy these fighters who did not take off.

In your perfect world, if enemy get 500 fighter/bombers are approaching and entering your airspace from north, you will only send your fighters in north, even if you only get 200 there, and let the rest stationed in airports, and being sitting ducks for Chinese target practices etc.

Stop talking about military matters, you are a joke basically.

Your own expert at DoD believe the US will lose any war in China if it happens in Asia-Pacific, so not just my conclusion, you know my rather very dumb friend.

Diaoyu island is a disputed terroirty between China and Japan.

For instance a quick search give you that in 2013 along, China's police ships has stayed within the 12 mil of the island region for 54 days according to Japan government statistics.

https://news.sohu.com/20140112/n393368371.shtml

And that in 2013, nowadays Japan don't have any serious force to prevent China from taking this island, they just hide behind the US and count on the americans, but if a war over Taiwan has break out, and China wins as expected by both Chinese and American defence expert, then it is all over for this hiding, China could make the next move in that direction.

The link you posted is only about coast guard ships around Senkaku islands. Nothing about F-4s.

So we still have stay on the F-4 matter until you post your link.

There has been 20 F-15Js deployed at Naha. Then in 2016, was bumped up to 40 F-15Js in order to respond to increasing number of PLAAF activities.
https://ryukyushimpo.jp/news/entry-211014.html

40 F-15s is enough to scramble.

F-4s flying in from Ibaraki would an exceptional case that must have a link provided. But you still do not provide a link. So it was just you exaggetation that is part of your exaggeration about EW aircraft tricking JASDF to send more than necessary.

The rest of your post is just hot air filler that has no actual information to make it longer for efftect only.

 

[Song Hong]

Now Diaoyu Island is patrol regularly by both China Japan airforce and coast guard.

Before it was Japan only.

It is a advance of Chinese and relative set back of Japan.

The link you posted is only about coast guard ships around Senkaku islands. Nothing about F-4s.

So we still have stay on the F-4 matter until you post your link.

There has been 20 F-15Js deployed at Naha. Then in 2016, was bumped up to 40 F-15Js in order to respond to increasing number of PLAAF activities.
https://ryukyushimpo.jp/news/entry-211014.html

40 F-15s is enough to scramble.

F-4s flying in from Ibaraki would an exceptional case that must have a link provided. But you still do not provide a link. So it was just you exaggetation that is part of your exaggeration about EW aircraft tricking JASDF to send more than necessary.

The rest of your post is just hot air filler that has no actual information to make it longer for efftect only.

 

[Zsari]

Again, that is besides the point, if any China that islands belonged to them, then it doesn't matter what the status was, China would have the claim on them from the beginning. But they didn't. Even South China Ses claim is older than Senkaku.

You know what a claim is? It is when there is a dispute. China doesn't need to "CLAIM" Beijing, nor would you ever find any statement making such claim.

 

[52051]

The link you posted is only about coast guard ships around Senkaku islands. Nothing about F-4s.

So we still have stay on the F-4 matter until you post your link.

There has been 20 F-15Js deployed at Naha. Then in 2016, was bumped up to 40 F-15Js in order to respond to increasing number of PLAAF activities.
https://ryukyushimpo.jp/news/entry-211014.html

40 F-15s is enough to scramble.

F-4s flying in from Ibaraki would an exceptional case that must have a link provided. But you still do not provide a link. So it was just you exaggetation that is part of your exaggeration about EW aircraft tricking JASDF to send more than necessary.

The rest of your post is just hot air filler that has no actual information to make it longer for efftect only.

All your posts contain nothing but your clueless fantasy.

As for the rest of my post, it is just to tell your smartass reasoning didn't work, next time if try hard to using logic and thinking harder before you try to flood your random brain farts, then I don't need to explain the basics to you, it would save the time of both of ours actually.

As a matter of fact, Japan/Taiwan military is a joke comparing to China, according to US's own military simulation by DoD, even with the US military, they still lose, and that's including the setup that the conflict leads to an all-out war with the US.

So stop wanking and don't listen to me, listen to your own expert.

And 40 outdated F-15 is not enough if the Japan was fooled to believe a hundred of Chinese fighters/bombers come to invade their airspace, that's why they need to throw everything they got to counter that.

It is the exact F-15 has to release infra-countermeasure (basically means being locked-on) in a simple encounter with PLAN's old soviet era Su-30MKK, the new PLA fighters are far outclass these Su-30MKKs, according to Chinese internal military exerices.

Your knowledge in military is basically laughable.

As for the news I poste to say many Chinese government ships stay for months within the 12mil of Diaoyu island every year merely show that the island is indeed disputed, otherwise who would let the terrority they have to be invaded so frequently, does the American let Chinese troop or armed police force visit NYC without invitation and at this frequency?

 

[Kylin]

Every time China and Japan are about to come to an agreement on free trade, the island issue is always gonna flare up. Some Japanese politicians like high-ups in the Indian army are in the USA pocket to sabotage the relationship between these countries.
It was never the central governments doing this. Japan wanted free trade and that's beneficial for China and Japan, and it would bring the two countries closer. Same with India, how short sighted are these army heads, personal gain clearly is more important than the development and interest of one's own country to them.
India with China's help, could become the next manufacture hub faster. Don't just focus on the trade volumes between the two countries, think long term, you'd want China to be your friend, don't be short sighted and make an enemy out of China.

 

[striver44]

Japan renamed the island , it's theirs what's the matter.?