Virginity Tests

[El Sidd]

Indeed. And I would go as far as to say it doesn't exist in practice either.


Women don't need a part in politics. Politics were created by men to replace war since the latter was too costly.

But they can have a say in matters pertaining to them and certain male representative can be assigned to them.


I'm not too familiar with this. Please elaborate more,.sounds very interesting.

Were all wars not fought for safety of women? Rights of women to feed the child.

You should read up on the sumerians. The story of flood also makes an appearance and so does garden of eden.

Its just a repetitive human thing

 

[Metanoia]

Actually interestingly enough its not an 'unislamic' thought either.

The touted missing link as explained by islam is a Beauty of the religion and the Book.

But if you look at what ancient sumerians been writing and some of the vedic text along with liliath. Its a reocurring pattern as well.

I concur, I wouldn't call it unIslamic either. I have dwelled in to this subject matter as through Abrahamic texts and Occultism as well.

I am not sure if you're aware or not about this, but there's another mythology related to our ancient beginning that Prophet Seth(as) was not married to a human but rather a Hoor. The whole corruption was caused by Cain murdering his brother Able over their sister. I imagine that God sent down the Hoor as a wife of Prophet Seth(as) so that the Prophetic lineage can be able to bear the burden of the Message. The rib was may be not enough? Allah knows best.

 

[El Sidd]

I am asking an open and honest question. You mentioned the theory of “Ishtar” so are you therefore suggesting that god didn’t create eve and eve was indeed Ishtar? A goddess in her own right? Similar to Artimis ?

You cannot just barge in a conversation like that.

Dont make that mistake in stately park man

 

[Metanoia]

You should read up on the sumerians. The story of flood also makes an appearance and so does garden of eden.

Its just a repetitive human thing

Human history or destiny is cyclical in nature, is that what you mean?

 

[Wolfhunter]

You cannot just barge in a conversation like that.

Dont make that mistake in stately park man

Mistake? Barge in? I’m afraid you misunderstand. I find it fascinating that you would bring up Ishtar and the goddesses of old such as Artimis who if you believe in their theory would be a direct challenge to the “there is only one god”.

I had the pleasure of studying classical history for a levels so this is somewhat of a passion of mine so nice to see someone mention Ishtar.

So tell me, would your theory of Ishtar therefore agree of her providence in fertility? Would her existence as a goddess not be an affront and challenge to the oneness of an omnipotent god?

 

[El Sidd]

I concur, I wouldn't call it unIslamic either. I have dwelled in to this subject matter as through Abrahamic texts and Occultism as well.

I am not sure if you're aware or not about this, but there's another mythology related to our ancient beginning that Prophet Seth(as) was not married to a human but rather a Hoor. The whole corruption was caused by Cain murdering his brother Able over their sister. I imagine that God sent down the Hoor as a wife of Prophet Seth(as) so that the Prophetic lineage can be able to bear the burden of the Message. The rib was may be not enough? Allah knows best.

Seth roamed the earth and the heaven in egyptian mythology and abrahamic as well but then you have other issues.

For alien or non human references in the Book itself is again a matter of opinion.

Asif and Sheba and Khidr cannot be explained as humans.

As i said Timelines are a big problem when you put it on history as we are TOLD.

For example no human can explain how you build a pyramid. That shit is pre modern human

Human history or destiny is cyclical in nature, is that what you mean?

Pretty much. No wonder biggest prayer to muslim is the tawaf and as lord said palat kay mere paas ana hai.

Destiny is different. We are preprogrammed machines. The concept of Qadr is highly elusive.

Cyclic pretty much

 

[Ocean]

I think this should happen because why should a good man be decieved by a cheating woman?

This is the age of deception. And extreme times call for "extreme" measures.
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No idont agree these tests are a disgrace and invasion of privacy specially inhumane if sanctioned by gov. Also one could agree on it if they will be in place for both men and women. Its not just women who sleep around men do as well. And honestly in pakistan you will find more guys losing virginity compared to women. You can easily find prostitues in bigger cities , nowadays they roam on popular downtowm streets and there is a dress code they follow which helps prospective customers identify them like they will wear a chaddar and stand on road side. who are their customers. Obviously men, same guys want virgin wives.

Plus this test doesnt give correct results as some one else too shared that women could fail the test if they have been active in sports and such activities.

In my view every pious man and woman deserve to demand an untouched partner so people can discuss that before marriage.

 

[El Sidd]

Mistake? Barge in? I’m afraid you misunderstand. I find it fascinating that you would bring up Ishtar and the goddesses of old such as Artimis who if you believe in their theory would be a direct challenge to the “there is only one god”.

I had the pleasure of studying classical history for a levels so this is somewhat of a passion of mine so nice to see someone mention Ishtar.

So tell me, would your theory of Ishtar therefore agree of her providence in fertility? Would her existence as a goddess not be an affront and challenge to the oneness of an omnipotent god?

Dude ishtar can fit in any islamic theory as one of the angels.

Now please hun i am not in the mood and trust me only Islam is the only not organized form of religion.

So you better be packing when you EVENTUALLY stoop that low

 

[Wolfhunter]

Dude ishtar can fit in any islamic theory as one of the angels.

Now please hun i am not in the mood and trust me only Islam is the only not organized form of religion.

So you better be packing when you EVENTUALLY stoop that low

Again you misunderstood my intentions. I may not be Muslim but I too believe in the oneness of god and the holy trinity.

In the bible and Quran it makes no mention of the gender of the angels. If you don’t wish to discuss that with me that is fine but I have read both books so do know a little myself you know.

Any way, have it your way, I don’t wish to intrude.

 

[El Sidd]

Again you misunderstood my intentions. I may not be Muslim but I too believe in the oneness of god and the holy trinity.

In the bible and Quran it makes no mention of the gender of the angels. If you don’t wish to discuss that with me that is fine but I have read both books so do know a little myself you know.

Any way, have it your way, I don’t wish to intrude.

No i dont wish to discuss religion with you as per forum rules and i am discussing topics apart from religion with the others just to make sure you are on the wavelength.

 

[Wolfhunter]

No i dont wish to discuss religion with you as per forum rules and i am discussing topics apart from religion with the others just to make sure you are on the wavelength.

That’s fine I’ll take my leave. As you were, you cryptic wiley Fox, I know your game.

 

[El Sidd]

game

You did it again. There is no game. Stop being such an 'indian'

 

[Metanoia]

Dude ishtar can fit in any islamic theory as one of the angels.

“And they make the angels who themselves are slaves of the Most Gracious (Allaah) females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned”
[al-Zukhruf 43:19]

“Or did We create the angels female while they were witnesses?”
[al-Saaffaat 37:150].

I don't think so that the Arch Angels/Angels are females.

 

[El Sidd]

“And they make the angels who themselves are slaves of the Most Gracious (Allaah) females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned”
[al-Zukhruf 43:19]

“Or did We create the angels female while they were witnesses?”
[al-Saaffaat 37:150].

I don't think so that the Arch Angels/Angels are females.

I meant human Interpretation of them buddy.

If angels are too sensitive. Put djinn in it man.

I am pretty sure arabs had made the angels as idols too. Its human logic dude

 

[Metanoia]

I meant human Interpretation of them buddy.

If angels are too sensitive. Put djinn in it man.

I am pretty sure arabs had made the angels as idols too. Its human logic dude

Djinn indeed, a wider categorization. The Arab pagans worshipped those three Angels and thought that they were the daughters...Nauzubillah.