VinFast: Vietnam EV maker valued at more than Ford or GM

[Han Patriot]

How? Do you really have to ask?

If you IPO 1 million shares, at $1 per share, your estimated Market Cap is 1 million by the time they estimate your share value/market cap.

When you buy that same 1 million shares back with $0.2 per share, your ACTUAL market cap is $200,000 so you tell me did they overvalued your company when they do IPO or they undervalue it?

What happened afterward is already manipulated, because your dad's boss ALREADY BUY BACK THE SHARE TO BUMP UP THE PRICE. His company did not worth 2.5 million, that's after the hype. His company worth, at the time he buy back the share, is $200,000

Geez, and I think Chinese is good at maths........


Well, if he think his dad's boss company IPO at $1 and he buy back the share at 0.2 is overvalued, he would think buying back Vinfast share make sense.

I don't know because I don't think stupid..........

Here let me show you the definition of undervalued. Notice the word intrinsic value. My dad's boss knew it's intrinsic value. Gosh, are you really educated in economics and finance? These are very simple terms mate.

It has nothing to do with him selling at 1$ and buying at 0.2$. It has something to do with him buying at 0.2$ and knowing it's value is more than 0.2$. It is best you think and read before ranting.

Over valuation happens when he bought at 0.2$ and it's real intrinsic value is only 0.1$.

Hey J, seeiously, the more i talk to you, the more imbecilic you look. Lololol

 

[jhungary]

Here let me show you the definition of undervalued. Notice the word intrinsic value. My dad's boss knew it's intrinsic value. Gosh, are you really educated in economics and finance? These are very simple terms mate.

It has nothing to do with him selling at 1$ and buying at 0.2$. It has something to do with him buying at 0.2$ and knowing it's value is more than 0.2$. It is best you think and read before ranting.

Over valuation happens when he bought at 0.2$ and it's real intrinsic value is only 0.1$.

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Hey J, seeiously, the more i talk to you, the more imbecilic you look. Lololol

It mean the opening and how much the company actually worth, not after YOU MANIPULATED the stock price by buying back the share. In this case, your dad's boss company DOES NOT WORTH 2.5 mil, it only worth that much AFTER he buy those share back and manipulate the price, had he did not, it only worth $200,000 without any market input.

You are like saying Gamestop really worth 294 millions when those reddit trader short squeeze the price up to $81.25 a share from $4.7 a share so Gamestop must be undervalued now.

How a Single Redditor Sparked the Wall Street Revolution Everyone's Talking About

With the release of 'Dumb Money,' this is everything you need to be equipped for the inevitable conversation about short squeezes, GameStop, Robinhood, and WallStreetBets.

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Maybe you have a weird sense that you count the value AFTER YOU MANIPULATED the price is the TRUE VALUE? Then I don't know. Or you think Buyiung back those share is NOT a form a manipulation? Then why you are saying Vinfast is manipulate those shares price by buying back the share??

Here let me show you the definition of undervalued. Notice the word intrinsic value. My dad's boss knew it's intrinsic value. Gosh, are you really educated in economics and finance? These are very simple terms mate.

It has nothing to do with him selling at 1$ and buying at 0.2$. It has something to do with him buying at 0.2$ and knowing it's value is more than 0.2$. It is best you think and read before ranting.

Over valuation happens when he bought at 0.2$ and it's real intrinsic value is only 0.1$.

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Hey J, seeiously, the more i talk to you, the more imbecilic you look. Lololol

On the other hand, if your dad's boss buying back the share KNOWING the share will go up (regardless he know people are going to buy it, or he know anything that will jack up that share price), that's insider trading, and that's actually illegal

lol..

@Mista, you really need to check this guy out, I dare you not to laugh at his post.....

 

[Han Patriot]

It mean the opening and how much the company actually worth, not after YOU MANIPULATED the stock price by buying back the share. In this case, your dad's company DOES NOT WORTH 2.5 mil, it only worth that much AFTER he buy those share back and manipulate the price

You are like saying Gamestop really worth 294 millions when those reddit trader short squeeze the price up to $81.25 a share from $4.7 a share.

How a Single Redditor Sparked the Wall Street Revolution Everyone's Talking About

With the release of 'Dumb Money,' this is everything you need to be equipped for the inevitable conversation about short squeezes, GameStop, Robinhood, and WallStreetBets.

www.esquire.com

Maybe you have a weird sense that the value AFTER YOU MANIPULATED the price is the TRUE VALUE? Then I don't know.

Okay, manipulation involves him spreading some negative hype, but he didn't. The negative hype was propagated by another party unrelated to him. Most people would panic looking at their company losing almost 80% in valuation conpared to their IPO. But my dad's boss let's called him Mr H bought back almost all the stocks at 0.2$. He already made money selling in the IPO at 1$.

Btw, we were talking about over valuation and under valuation not manipulation. It is clear you do not have a clear understanding of this. Selling at 1$ and buying back at 0.2$ has nothing to do with overvaluation. The intrinsic worth also changes with time as the company can make money or lose money annually based on the price of commodities. These are two mutually exclusive events. Understand numb numb?

I think i found your problem, you talk too much before you think. You should calm down, analyse and understand things before replying. Ranting and copy pasting whole articles do not answer the question. Also try not to understand issues on the surface and assume things, mich lik3 how you assumed LNg is transported in pipelines or 48% of Chinese gdp is manufacturing. The more you rant without thinking, the more mistakes, and the more I dissect you and the dumber you look. Lolol

 

[jhungary]

Okay, manipulation involves him spreading some negative hype, but he didn't. The negative hype was propagated by another party unrelated to him. Most people would panic looking at their company losing almost 80% in valuation conpared to their IPO. But my dad's boss let's called him Mr H bought back almost all the stocks at 0.2$. He already made money selling in the IPO at 1$.

Btw, we were talking about over valuation and under valuation not manipulation. It is clear you do not have a clear understanding of this. Selling at 1$ and buying back at 0.2$ has nothing to do with overvaluation. The intrinsic worth also changes with time as the company can make money or lose money annually based on the price of commodities. These are two mutually exclusive events. Understand numb numb?

Again, what you are describing is your dad either spread hype by buying the share, which is bumping up the price in order to profit, or he knows the price is going to go up and he invest, which is insider trading, it cannot be anything else.

There is a reason why his company loss 80% of its value upon IPO, I don't know your dad's boss company to comment on, maybe he had a bad portfolio, or maybe his company does not have a good marketing outlook, I don't know, but thinking it was lower than it was, and trying to get it back the price is manipulation, whether you spread the hype or not, because you take away the liquidity of the share and that created demand, and that will jack up the price whether you like it or not, it may not have been his intend, but this is the result, but if this is his intend, then it's insider trading, which he KNOWS ahead of time his share is going to go up and he buy them low and profit from it, it's illegal

You cannot be innocently saying "I trust my company to earn big money and that's why I buy those share" when YOU ARE THE BOSS OF SAID COMPANY..............In fact, depends on jurisdiction, it may already an insider trade the moment your dad's boss buy the share back from his company IPO. (Share buy back usually involved a very deliberate and strict condition) Some jurisdiction does not allow that unless you are trying to slim down share or privatise a company. This is how most SEC investigation started.

 

[Viet]

Okay, manipulation involves him spreading some negative hype, but he didn't. The negative hype was propagated by another party unrelated to him. Most people would panic looking at their company losing almost 80% in valuation conpared to their IPO. But my dad's boss let's called him Mr H bought back almost all the stocks at 0.2$. He already made money selling in the IPO at 1$.

Btw, we were talking about over valuation and under valuation not manipulation. It is clear you do not have a clear understanding of this. Selling at 1$ and buying back at 0.2$ has nothing to do with overvaluation. The intrinsic worth also changes with time as the company can make money or lose money annually based on the price of commodities. These are two mutually exclusive events. Understand numb numb?

stock valuation is based on the future earnings, or on future cash flows. Or what the investors believe the company would generate in the future. All have to do with future. Your assessment is personal opinion aka irrelevant.

 

[Han Patriot]

stock valuation is based on the future earnings, or on future cash flows. Or what the investors believe the company would generate in the future. All have to do with future. Your assessment is personal opinion aka irrelevant.

Stock valuation is an arbitrary concept. It depends on WHO is valuing it and WHEN it was valued. If people could correctly value stocks then everybody would have been a millionaire, okay i am a millionaire, so Billionaire.

In Mr. H case, he knew the intrinsic value of the company hence he can reasonably predict the future income. But the market idiots like those mules buying Vinfast stocks now don't. They value a company based on the cattle effect, they rush in based on hype and mania. Look pal, VF has no technology, loss making and has no brand recognition. Do you know how many patents BYD has?
Gone are the days when people buy stocks of a company based on their fundamentals. People don't make money from dividends, people make money from selling stocks they bought at a lower price to suckers buying it at a higher price. They know it is a casino, the trick to stocks is to understand the sentiment, aka the hype. Stock prices do not always reflect the real worth of a company, it reflects what people think they are worth aka market mules.

Again, what you are describing is your dad either spread hype by buying the share, which is bumping up the price in order to profit, or he knows the price is going to go up and he invest, which is insider trading, it cannot be anything else.

There is a reason why his company loss 80% of its value upon IPO, I don't know your dad's boss company to comment on, maybe he had a bad portfolio, or maybe his company does not have a good marketing outlook, I don't know, but thinking it was lower than it was, and trying to get it back the price is manipulation, whether you spread the hype or not, because you take away the liquidity of the share and that created demand, and that will jack up the price whether you like it or not, it may not have been his intend, but this is the result, but if this is his intend, then it's insider trading, which he KNOWS ahead of time his share is going to go up and he buy them low and profit from it, it's illegal

You cannot be innocently saying "I trust my company to earn big money and that's why I buy those share" when YOU ARE THE BOSS OF SAID COMPANY..............In fact, depends on jurisdiction, it may already an insider trade the moment your dad's boss buy the share back from his company IPO. (Share buy back usually involved a very deliberate and strict condition) Some jurisdiction does not allow that unless you are trying to slim down share or privatise a company. This is how most SEC investigation started.

Seriously stop talking stupid okay. You still have not explained to me how selling a stock at 1$ and buying stocks at 0.2$ is equivalent to buying an OVERVALUED stock. Ooo how stupid can you get man. Just shuddup for your own sake before making you look even stupider.

 

[Viet]

Stock valuation is an arbitrary concept. It depends on WHO is valuing it and WHEN it was valued. If people could correctly value stocks then everybody would have been a millionaire, okay i am a millionaire, so Billionaire.

In Mr. H case, he knew the intrinsic value of the company hence he can reasonably predict the future income. But the market idiots like those mules buying Vinfast stocks now don't. They value a company based on the cattle effect, they rush in based on hype and mania. Look pal, VF has no technology, loss making and has no brand recognition. Do you know how many patents BYD has?
Gone are the days when people buy stocks of a company based on their fundamentals. People don't make money from dividends, people make money from selling stocks they bought at a lower price to suckers buying it at a higher price. They know it is a casino, the trick to stocks is to understand the sentiment, aka the hype. Stock prices do not always reflect the real worth of a company, it reflects what people think they are worth aka market mules.


Seriously stop talking stupid okay. You still have not explained to me how selling a stock at 1$ and buying stocks at 0.2$ is equivalent to buying an OVERVALUED stock. Ooo how stupid can you get man. Just shuddup for your own sake before making you look even stupider.

So those “people” who did 500 million USD plus tradings are dumb but you are with 0 USD trading the smartest in the room. Don’t be ridiculous.

About BYD, I once said the company would survive. NIO would survive. I can’t tell other 100 Chinese carmakers if they would survive. Please spare me the numbers of patents.

 

[Han Patriot]

So those “people” who did 500 million USD plus tradings are dumb but you are with 0 USD trading the smartest in the room. Don’t be ridiculous.

They are not dumb perse, they are rushing in for the kill. To sell to the dumbest mule. They will pump it high and hype it up and then dump it to the mules. PUMP AND Dump mate. The oldest strategy in the books. I earned almost 200k usd$ from my dad's company, imagine buying when all mules were selling.

 

[Viet]

They are not dumb perse, they are rushing in for the kill. To sell to the dumbest mule. They will pump it high and hype it up and then dump it to the mules. PUMP AND Dump mate. The oldest strategy in the books. I earned almost 200k usd$ from my dad's company, imagine buying when all mules were selling.

You did insider trading. Congrats.
Stock markets are casinos.
That’s not a secret.
But stock markets are fair.
Try FX markets
That’s a jungle.

 

[Han Patriot]

You did insider trading. Congrats.
Stock markets are casinos.
That’s not a secret.

I didn't say anything. Lolol

About BYD, I once said the company would survive. NIO would survive. I can’t tell other 100 Chinese carmakers if they would survive. Please spare me the numbers of patents.

China is really an open market except for certain state monopolies like energy and telecoms. Companies come and go and compete, they will die, and ultimately the best survive. BYD is competing with Tesla man, they have their own technology, navigation, batteries and platform. Heck they even make their own IGBT.

 

[Viet]

I didn't say anything. Lolol


China is really an open market except for certain state monopolies like energy and telecoms. Companies come and go and compete, they will die, and ultimately the best survive. BYD is competing with Tesla man, they have their own technology, navigation, batteries and platform. Heck they even make their own IGBT.

Insider trading is a serious offense my friend. You can land in gulag. China is probably too lax in this regard.

BYD is a company to be reckoned with. Great future because Ccp obviously backs the company..

 

[Viet]

Market opens. Stock price up 25 percent.
Market cap $140 billion.
Very interesting.
traders pushing it to $200 billion?

 

[StraightEdge]

This will become a meme stock in few months, like gamestop. More appropriate is like Rivian v2.0

 

[jhungary]

Seriously stop talking stupid okay. You still have not explained to me how selling a stock at 1$ and buying stocks at 0.2$ is equivalent to buying an OVERVALUED stock. Ooo how stupid can you get man. Just shuddup for your own sake before making you look even stupider.

Well, you just admitted that you had conducted security fraud, and you say I should stop talking stupid??

Geez, you are worse than Rhod Gilbert talking about escalator.

And I did explain to you how that is overvalued. You don't get it or you don't take it is not really my problem.

Insider trading is a serious offense my friend. You can land in gulag. China is probably too lax in this regard.

BYD is a company to be reckoned with. Great future because Ccp obviously backs the company..

lol, and he is the one telling people to "Not talk stupid" meanwhile he admitted to trade stock and make profit with insider information.....

They are not dumb perse, they are rushing in for the kill. To sell to the dumbest mule. They will pump it high and hype it up and then dump it to the mules. PUMP AND Dump mate. The oldest strategy in the books. I earned almost 200k usd$ from my dad's company, imagine buying when all mules were selling.

You do know Pump and Dump is illegal is most Stock market right? This is a kind of security fraud....

SEC.gov | SEC Uncovers $194 Million Penny Stock Schemes that Spanned Three Continents

www.sec.gov

I would stop talking now if I were you.......this is now beyond just being stupid. You are now crossed the line into illegal activities....

 

[Viet]

Stock 40 percent plus
Market cap $150 billion
Unbelievable
Short sellers suffer heart attack.