Vietnamese Nan Yue Propaganda

[Bussard Ramjet]

To my dear Vietnamese friends, why not elaborate what you learn in your schools? I have often heard people use this "Nan Yue" revival theory etc etc.

To my Chinese friends, what do you think of this?

 

[Place Of Space]

Nan mean southern. Such as, South Asia in our language is Nan Asia, Nanjing means south capitcal, Nanhai means South Sea.

Yue is Viet. Nan Yue means South Vietnam. This is a certain past noun. When American troops withdraw, North had unified the south. This is what I understand.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Nan mean southern. Such as, South Asia in our language is Nan Asia, Nanjing means south capitcal, Nanhai means South Sea.

Yue is Viet. Nan Yue means South Vietnam. This is a certain past noun. When American troops withdraw, North had unified the south. This is what I understand.

You are so inadequate dude! You don't even know the widespread propaganda going on against China in Vietnam.

Nanyue - Wikiwand

Nan Yue was an ancient kingdom formed by Zhao Tuo. It composed of the present day Guangdong, Guangxi, and northern Vietnam.

Somehow instead of taking it as a southern Chinese dynasty, Vietnamese have given it a spin of being a separate thing, of somehow forming a nation of Vietnamese and Yues.

They almost openly call for kind of a reestablishment of this dynasty. Some of Vietnamese trolls don't even recognize Cantonese as Chinese.

Are any Cantonese folks here?

 

[Grand Historian]

The ancient Chinese had a habit of recycling exonyms.

The Vietnamese share the character Yue(越) with Nanyue(南越) therefore the two are somehow related.

It makes as much sense as insinuating modern day Memphis,Tennessee is the same as the Memphis,Egypt.

 

[biendong]

Nan Yue was an ancient kingdom formed by Zhao Tuo. It composed of the present day Guangdong, Guangxi, and northern Vietnam.

Somehow instead of taking it as a southern Chinese dynasty, Vietnamese have given it a spin of being a separate thing, of somehow forming a nation of Vietnamese and Yues.

They almost openly call for kind of a reestablishment of this dynasty. Some of Vietnamese trolls don't even recognize Cantonese as Chinese.

Are any Cantonese folks here?

Nan Yue was independent state in South China in 100 year, Like Min Yue, Dong Yue, Wu Yue ...etc

 

[Beast]

You are so inadequate dude! You don't even know the widespread propaganda going on against China in Vietnam.

Nanyue - Wikiwand

Nan Yue was an ancient kingdom formed by Zhao Tuo. It composed of the present day Guangdong, Guangxi, and northern Vietnam.

Somehow instead of taking it as a southern Chinese dynasty, Vietnamese have given it a spin of being a separate thing, of somehow forming a nation of Vietnamese and Yues.

They almost openly call for kind of a reestablishment of this dynasty. Some of Vietnamese trolls don't even recognize Cantonese as Chinese.

Are any Cantonese folks here?

Do you know cantonese and vietnamese sound similar but none of them can understand a single word of each other for native speaker?

While a Cantonese can easily understand most of what a mandarin speakers say, so as vice versa although they cant speak well.

Now somebody trying to say Cantonese are more similar to vietnamese

Cantonese people ancestry are from central of north China escaping famine and war during early dynasty of China to south.

 

[powastick]

Count 1 to 10.
Cantonese: yit yi sam say em luk zhat bak gou sap
Vietnamese: mot hai ba bon nam sau bay chin muoi,
Mandarin: Yi er san si wu liu chi ba jiu shi.

I can understand cantonese, cause my brother wife is cantonese.

 

[biendong]

Do you know cantonese and vietnamese sound similar but none of them can understand a single word of each other for native speaker?

While a Cantonese can easily understand most of what a mandarin speakers say, so as vice versa although they cant speak well.

Now somebody trying to say Cantonese are more similar to vietnamese

Cantonese people ancestry are from central of north China escaping famine and war during early dynasty of China to south.

Count 1 to 10.
Cantonese: yit yi sam say em luk zhat bak gou sap
Vietnamese: mot hai ba bon nam sau bay chin muoi,
Mandarin: Yi er san si wu liu chi ba jiu shi.

I can understand cantonese, cause my brother wife is cantonese.

Vietnamese and Cantonese is in different ethnic group, we don't shared same bloodline and language. It is like Mexican and white English spoken people in USA today.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Nan Yue was independent state in South China in 100 year, Like Min Yue, Dong Yue, Wu Yue ...etc

Yeah, but it was completely and utterly Chinese. There may be occasional fractions in central authority, but the fractions themselves don't become less Chinese.

Rather, almost always, it is the fractions themselves that are fighting to unite China again.

Count 1 to 10.
Cantonese: yit yi sam say em luk zhat bak gou sap
Vietnamese: mot hai ba bon nam sau bay chin muoi,
Mandarin: Yi er san si wu liu chi ba jiu shi.

I can understand cantonese, cause my brother wife is cantonese.

What are you trying to say?

 

[powastick]

What are you trying to say?

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine and ten in three different languages. Cantonese is much similiar to mandarin.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

They almost openly call for kind of a reestablishment of this dynasty. Some of Vietnamese trolls don't even recognize Cantonese as Chinese.

Are any Cantonese folks here?

I'm a HK Cantonese (of Hakka descent).

As for Cantonese not being Chinese, that's a real joke. Cantonese in fact preserves a lot of vocabulary from Middle Chinese (the ancestor of all Chinese dialects).

Like to say "drink" we still use the term "飲" instead of "喝", as in "drink tea" (yum cha).

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I'm a HK Cantonese (of Hakka descent).

As for Cantonese not being Chinese, that's a real joke. Cantonese in fact preserves a lot of vocabulary from Middle Chinese (the ancestor of all Chinese dialects).

Like to say "drink" we still use the term "飲" instead of "喝", as in "drink tea" (yum cha).

Yes, even I hear that.

I have heard Hakka people talking that Hakka is the original Chinese language, which got castrated in the North by Mongol influence.
Cantonese also have similar thoughts.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes, even I hear that.

I have heard Hakka people talking that Hakka is the original Chinese language, which got castrated in the North by Mongol influence.
Cantonese also have similar thoughts.

No, neither Cantonese or Hakka are the "original" Chinese language, they just retain vocabulary from the original Chinese language, which is Middle Chinese. Which itself came from Old Chinese.

 

[biendong]

Yeah, but it was completely and utterly Chinese. There may be occasional fractions in central authority, but the fractions themselves don't become less Chinese.

Rather, almost always, it is the fractions themselves that are fighting to unite China again.


What are you trying to say?

you would like discus about Nan Yue Kwuo, there was independent state, one independent country in southern China. This state created by Zhao Tuo. His descents ruled the country more than hundred year. The people of Nan Yue was no-Han at beginning. The Han chinese immigrants should been in minority at first.

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