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Vietnam visit: Anti-American exhibits abound, but people are friendly

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HO CHI MINH CITY, Vietnam - As the old saying goes, "History is written by the winners."

Nowhere is this more apparent than a museum dedicated to the Vietnam War in Ho Chi Minh City, the former capital of South Vietnam that was known as Saigon when it was America's military headquarters during the war that ended 36 years ago.

Henry Stein, a friend from Tempe, and I had long wanted to visit Vietnam. We are both old enough to remember how the war divided American society in the 1960s and early '70s, but were too young to have been drafted.

We were interested to learn how the Vietnamese people feel about America today as well as seeing some of the sites devoted to the war in which more than 58,000 Americans died.

Our first stop was the War Remnants Museum, a 20-minute walk from our hotel in Ho Chi Minh City. To give you an idea of the tone of this highly vitriolic museum, operated by the Vietnamese government, it's instructive to know what it was called when it first opened in 1975 - "The House for Displaying War Crimes of American Imperialism and the Puppet Government of South Vietnam."

The title was later shortened to "The Museum of American War Crimes," and then took on its current name in the mid-1990s when diplomatic relations between Vietnam and America were normalized.

Regardless of its title, the museum is full of over-the-top propaganda about the alleged atrocities committed by American troops, whom the museum calls "the foreign invaders," on Vietnamese civilians. There was almost a full floor devoted to Agent Orange, a herbicide used by the U.S. military to defoliate jungles that enemy troops used for cover. There were numerous photos of children born with birth defects the Vietnamese claim were the result of exposure to Agent Orange and even a gruesome display containing deformed fetuses.

In a yard outside the museum, there were so many American tanks, airplanes and helicopters on display - weaponry that had been abandoned when the U.S. withdrew its troops from Vietnam in 1973 - it almost looked like a U.S. military museum.

As an American, it was painful to see how our troops and government were portrayed. There were even comparisons made to the Nazis.

Yes, there were civilian casualties during the Vietnam War, including the well-documented My Lai massacre. But I believe an overwhelming majority of our troops acquitted themselves bravely and honorably during the conflict, which was ultimately lost not because our military was defeated on the field of battle, but because the American public had grown weary of a war that seemingly had no end in sight.

The following day, we visited the infamous Cu Chi Tunnels north of the city, which the Viet Cong used as a base to attack Saigon. At the end of the tour, a Vietnamese government propaganda film from the 1960s was shown, in which it referred to Viet Cong fighters as "American killer heroes."

Despite the anti-Americanism we witnessed at government-run sites, we found the Vietnamese people to be friendly, welcoming, and always quick with a smile.

"We forget the past," a tour guide told us.

Indeed, it's a chapter of American history that many of us from that generation would like to forget but never will.
 
My Lai Massacre:

Mass killing of as many as 500 unarmed villagers by U.S. soldiers in the hamlet of My Lai during the Vietnam War. A company of U.S. soldiers on a search-and-destroy mission against the hamlet found no armed Viet Cong there but nonetheless killed all the elderly men, women, and children they could find; few villagers survived. The incident was initially covered up by high-ranking army officers, but it was later made public by former soldiers. In the ensuing courts-martial, platoon leader Lt. William Calley was accused of directing the killings and was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison; but Pres. Richard Nixon intervened on his behalf, and he was paroled after three years. The massacre and other atrocities revealed during the trial divided the U.S. public and contributed to growing disillusionment with the war.
 
Smile doesn't shows internal hate, history never forget itself & not forgotten by suffered for their fight for freedom.
 
It was a tragic for Vietnam. Something like 1 in 20 people in Vietnam were killed in that war and many more effected in various ways. It also turned Vietnam into the poorest country in the world for a long time.
 
It was a tragic for Vietnam. Something like 1 in 20 people in Vietnam were killed in that war and many more effected in various ways. It also turned Vietnam into the poorest country in the world for a long time.
Wrong...Communism turned the country into an economic hellhole. This is a consistent pattern wherever communism is imposed. Even China recognized this.
 
Hopefully our dear friend Gambit could see this.
Am sure that you, just like many others who considered themselves 'experts' about the Vietnam War, know about the famous My Lai Massacre, but did you know about this one...

Massacre at Hu
The Huế Massacre (Vietnamese: Thảm sát tại Huế Tết Mậu Thân) is the name given to describe the summary executions and mass killings perpetrated by the Viet Cong and North Vietnam during their capture, occupation and later withdrawal from the city of Huế during the Tet Offensive, considered one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War.

During the months and years that followed the Battle of Huế, which began on January 31, 1968 and lasted a total of 28 days, dozens of mass graves were discovered in and around Huế containing 2,800 to 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war.[1] Victims were found bound, tortured, and sometimes apparently buried alive.
 
Smile doesn't shows internal hate, history never forget itself & not forgotten by suffered for their fight for freedom.
Ahhh...Another self anointed 'expert'. Am willing to bet you were borne after the war ended and since birth, you have been spoon fed the the communist propaganda swill. Today, the majority of the population in VN have no emotional ties to the war, to the failed communist ideology, and least of all to the inept, corrupt, and despotic government. The ordinary Viets does not look to that failure of a government for any freedom but to external pressure to compel that government to change. And it is working. Whenever an ordinary Viet smile and hand over some bribe to some corrupt government bureaucrat to get something done, his smile does hide very well the internal hatred he has for that government. If history repeats, it does so because those who benefited from the misery of the people did everything they can to make that repeat.
 
This american was brainwashed by US propaganda. The US sure as hell lost the war militarily and lost it on the ground. 3000 fixed wing planes and 5000 helicopters were shot down. That's bigger than the Air Forces of most nations. Hell, that's bigger than the air force of Africa combined. Without use of nuclear weapons US ground forces would have been crushed anyways, would just take a longer time. USA knew this, their public was spoonfed a similar but softer message, and they ran away faster than the Iraqi army.
 
Regardless of its title, the museum is full of over-the-top propaganda about the alleged atrocities committed by American troops, whom the museum calls "the foreign invaders," on Vietnamese civilians. There was almost a full floor devoted to Agent Orange, a herbicide used by the U.S. military to defoliate jungles that enemy troops used for cover. There were numerous photos of children born with birth defects the Vietnamese claim were the result of exposure to Agent Orange and even a gruesome display containing deformed fetuses.

Over the top propaganda about how agent orange caused defects??? Maybe under the top is more like it.
 
Agent orange and agent blue:

During the Vietnam War, between 1962 and 1971, the United States military sprayed 20,000,000 US gallons (80,000,000 L) of chemical herbicides and defoliants in Vietnam, eastern Laos and parts of Cambodia, as part of Operation Ranch Hand. According to Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to herbicides, resulting in 400,000 people being killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects.

Was this necessary? Or was US intent to eliminate ALL of Vietnamese people regardless?
 
Agent orange and agent blue:

During the Vietnam War, between 1962 and 1971, the United States military sprayed 20,000,000 US gallons (80,000,000 L) of chemical herbicides and defoliants in Vietnam, eastern Laos and parts of Cambodia, as part of Operation Ranch Hand. According to Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to herbicides, resulting in 400,000 people being killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects

Dioxins are scary stuff. We did a couple of case studies for environmental chem, and they are just extremely hard to get rid off and persists in the environment far longer than other kinds of toxins.

Dioxins and dioxin-like compounds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Wrong...Communism turned the country into an economic hellhole. This is a consistent pattern wherever communism is imposed. Even China recognized this.

Wow! I am not even trying to be offensive, but seriously, are you truly that naive??? "Communism turned the country into an economic hellhole", and the U.S. was there to do what? Save us?

I'm not for communism but umm... how much money do we owe China? I guess that's the price China has to pay for being communist, huh? Like you said... communism turns everything into an economic hellhole.
 
This american was brainwashed by US propaganda. The US sure as hell lost the war militarily and lost it on the ground. 3000 fixed wing planes and 5000 helicopters were shot down. That's bigger than the Air Forces of most nations. Hell, that's bigger than the air force of Africa combined. Without use of nuclear weapons US ground forces would have been crushed anyways, would just take a longer time. USA knew this, their public was spoonfed a similar but softer message, and they ran away faster than the Iraqi army.
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Take note....China
 
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