Vietnam to build a high-speed train system

[NiceGuy]

Why the VCP not use ODA from Japan like every other major infrastructure projects in the past? That should solve your lack of funds issue.

@NiceGuy @BoQ77

2020 is still a long time ahead, the plan may still change from now to 2020

 

[Viet]

should vietnam still be China‘s little brother as it was 50 years ago, very probably vietnam will be given a high speed rail line for free. i was shocked when i read the amount of money and materials china gave to vietnam back then,considering how poor and backward china was at the time.

I wonder how much longer do you want to keep your anger and hatred on vietnam, just because north vietnam chose USSR instead of China during the war time. Time to move on.

I traveled from Hanoi to Natrang to Nha Trang in 2012. My original plan was taking this reunification express(correct name?) directly to Saigon. The train conductor could speak a little English and we discussed a lot about Vietnam's railway system. But at last I couldn't stand the train's incommodity and shakiness and I took off in Nha Trang.

The ticket price for hard bed in 2012 from Hanoi to Saigon was around 350RMB( i remembered it was around 50-60 US dollar) for nearly 1700km in 35 hours. I was a little surprised at that time in Ga Hanoi cause I thought it would be much cheaper than China. (the same distance in China in 2015 needs 350 RMB for slow overnight train about 18-22 hours ). The same surprise came when i ordered beef pho which has a similar price as ours in 2012.

Do you have any plan to cut down prices of these slow trains and some sort of acceleration plan or upgrading the original line to standard gauge?

Ga Hanoi in 2012
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Ga Da Nang in 2012
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the current rail system goes back to the french colonical period: poor and backward.
the plan sees upgrading of it. the new HSR will be built paralell to the existing old one.

 

[AndrewJin]

I wonder how much longer do you want to keep your anger and hatred on vietnam, just because north vietnam chose USSR instead of China during the war time. Time to move on.


the current rail system goes back to the french colonical period: poor and backward.
the plan sees upgrading of it. the new HSR will be built paralell to the existing old one.

Do have any statistics on the proportion of different transport modes from Hanoi to Saigon? By bus by train and by air.

 

[Jlaw]

Select Japan or China ... only different price, both r mature tech.

But if they select China, will Chinese engineers be safe while working there? What if another riot break out or if they default on the payment. The latter is more likely.

 

[AndrewJin]

But if they select China, will Chinese engineers be safe while working there? What if another riot break out or if they default on the payment. The latter is more likely.

Buying Japanese will make it another Taiwan's HSR and buying Chinese will be disastrous given the bilateral relations and their financial status. How to choose?

 

[Jlaw]

Buying Japanese will make it another Taiwan's HSR and buying Chinese will be disastrous given the bilateral relations and their financial status. How to choose?

If they choose Chinese HSR, payment should be with physical gold or USD. Seriously, when Vietnamese buying properties in Vietnam do not use their dongs, they prefer foreign currency or gold, what does that tell you about the dong?

Even property developers are opting out of building in Vietnam.

Hongkong Land, Sumitomo back out of Vietnam ‘golden’ property project: reports | Business | Thanh Nien Daily

 

[dez01]

good news.disregard hatred and others，then make the choice.

 

[VALKRYIE]

we need money more than luck. the japanese demanded some $60b with the last proposal, which was rejected by the vietnamese assembly. japan mistakenly thought vietnam was a rich country

60 billion is a ridiculous amount for even a developed country.

Select Japan or China ... only different price, both r mature tech.

I highly doubt China due to antisemitism and its poor quality. I hope the country chooses Europe or Japan shinkansen for its safety and reliablity.

 

[cnleio]

I traveled from Hanoi to Natrang to Nha Trang in 2012. My original plan was taking this reunification express(correct name?) directly to Saigon. The train conductor could speak a little English and we discussed a lot about Vietnam's railway system. But at last I couldn't stand the train's incommodity and shakiness and I took off in Nha Trang.

The ticket price for hard bed in 2012 from Hanoi to Saigon was around 350RMB( i remembered it was around 50-60 US dollar) for nearly 1700km in 35 hours. I was a little surprised at that time in Ga Hanoi cause I thought it would be much cheaper than China. (the same distance in China in 2015 needs 350 RMB for slow overnight train about 18-22 hours ). The same surprise came when i ordered beef pho which has a similar price as ours in 2012.

Do you have any plan to cut down prices of these slow trains and some sort of acceleration plan or upgrading the original line to standard gauge?

Ga Hanoi in 2012
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Ga Da Nang in 2012
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This is the 2012 Vietnamese train station in Hanoi city ??? Im sorry, it makes me to find the old memory in 1980s NanChang train station, i was a child with my parents.

I highly doubt China due to antisemitism and its poor quality. I hope the country chooses Europe or Japan shinkansen for its safety and reliablity.

I don't know, how many 'poor quality' of 'Made in China' Canada imported from China each year ? But i just read news China will export CRH to U.S California.

Chinese may go after California high-speed rail project

 

[AndrewJin]

60 billion is a ridiculous amount for even a developed country.




I highly doubt China due to antisemitism and its poor quality. I hope the country chooses Europe or Japan shinkansen for its safety and reliablity.

Europe? Spain HSR accident and German ICE accident? 2014 total Chinese HSR Volume is 0.8 billion with zero mortality, I think it is safer than your country's any transport modes, isn't it?

 

[AndrewJin]

This is the 2012 Vietnamese train station in Hanoi city ??? Im sorry, it makes me to find the old memory in 1980s NanChang train station, i was a child with my parents.


I don't know, how many 'poor quality' of 'Made in China' Canada imported from China each year ? But i just read news China will export CRH to U.S California.

Chinese may go after California high-speed rail project

Yep, in 2012. Rice noodle in Hanoi was even pricier than adjacent Guangxi Province's one. Railway stations and downtowns of Hanoi and Saigon were colonial buildings

 

[cnleio]

Yep, in 2012. Rice noodle in Hanoi was even pricier than adjacent Guangxi Province's one. Railway stations and downtowns of Hanoi and Saigon were colonial buildings

... Well i see, if let me tell a truth this is a 1980s-style train station. Lucky, i living in 21 century China.

 

[Viet]

But if they select China, will Chinese engineers be safe while working there? What if another riot break out or if they default on the payment. The latter is more likely.

LOL how about our titanium reserves as collateral? it is worth, depending on market price, between 1 to 4 trillions USD? the work should include vietnamese engineers. I doubt a rioter can differ between vietnamese and chinese workers.
Vietnam's titanium reserves hit over 650 mln tons---ASEAN---China Center

60 billion is a ridiculous amount for even a developed country.

I highly doubt China due to antisemitism and its poor quality. I hope the country chooses Europe or Japan shinkansen for its safety and reliablity.

$60b is overpriced. too much for us vietnam. I would say we can go for $30b or less, similar the price thailand pays for the HSR to china.

Yep, in 2012. Rice noodle in Hanoi was even pricier than adjacent Guangxi Province's one. Railway stations and downtowns of Hanoi and Saigon were colonial buildings

really? normally you pay $1 for a pho. how much do you pay in Guangxi?

 

[Aepsilons]

we need money more than luck. the japanese demanded some $60b with the last proposal, which was rejected by the vietnamese assembly. japan mistakenly thought vietnam was a rich country

$60b is overpriced. too much for us vietnam. I would say we can go for $30b or less, similar the price thailand pays for the HSR to china.

If Japan decides to finance it completely, then, it might be too good of an offer to let pass.

 

[Viet]

If Japan decides to finance it completely, then, it might be too good of an offer to let pass.

actually the vietnamese government had agreed to the japanese proposal. it was just the parliament, that found too expensive and rejected it. in vietnam, any big billion USD worth project needs parliament´s approval.