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From a boat refugee to Lieutenant Colonel Tuan T. Ton

served as a classical Infantryman, a Platoon leader

He is Military Advisor to Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs (EAP), US Department of State. In this capacity, he is responsible for a wide range of political-military affairs including State defense interface, defense policy issues, security cooperation, foreign military assistance, license for export of defense military items.

E.i. he would be one of the members that give recommendation to the US government, should Vietnam want to acquire any lethal US made military toys :D


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Vietnam to send more troops to Sudan for UN commitments. A level 2 ( i dont know what it is though :v ) field medic team with more than 50 personnel.

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Yup, not for the Navy, that fund was for the Coast Guard. And it was originally destined for fast patrol boats.

We're looking for a 1000-ton patrol/OPV, as Vietnam can build small patrol boats (TT-120, TT-200, TT-400 class) and large OPV (DN-2000 and DN-4000 class) locally. The gap lies in medium displacement vessels, we only have a single 1500-ton patrol boat (CSB-8003) that was transferred from the Korean Coast Guard.

Why is it so difficult for Vietnam to make a 1000 ton patrol ship? I'm sure the capability to build it is there, so the issue is the design of the ship? Can't scale up the design of the TT-400TP or the Molniya?

Well, well if that happened, and Vietnam rolled out a tender for 6000-7000 tonne frigate , then GRSE indeed going to participate with P-17 A.

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If Vietnam goes for a 6000-7000 ton frigate, then I think India can supply a great ship with MF/STAR, Barak 8 and Brahmos and cheaper than everybody else. I'd like to see that.
 
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Drinking tea with Philippines' President Rodrigo Duterte on the sidelines of the ASEAN summit in Laos :D

as act of courtesy to a new leader of a country, Vietnam invites him to visit whenever he likes. Surprisingly he accepts it and plans to visit Vietnam between the end of the year or early next year. I think it is best for all not to mention anything domestic related to the Philippines. who knows how Duterte will react :woot:


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Starting as private toys, built by private men, with private money, now the mini submarines receive approval of the authority to conduct sea trials. the goal is to make the subs be capable to dive 200 m deep, reaching operation radius of 500 miles, doing covert recon missions. Before anyone here begins to laugh, going down a long road begins with the first step.


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Why is it so difficult for Vietnam to make a 1000 ton patrol ship? I'm sure the capability to build it is there, so the issue is the design of the ship? Can't scale up the design of the TT-400TP or the Molniya?
If Vietnam goes for a 6000-7000 ton frigate, then I think India can supply a great ship with MF/STAR, Barak 8 and Brahmos and cheaper than everybody else. I'd like to see that.
scale up the design seem not easy because it may affect the ship balance, it may cause something like BPS-500, cannot launch missile when running ( the ship stall too much), that while only 1 ship was build, the second one was cancel, we did not having any experience on design a good ship.
i think if we have the design, making the hull may be not impossible, we already make BPS-500 hull many year ago, and now we can make DN-2000, but the problem is integrate all the system ( engine, control, gun). I heard something that AK-176 on TT-400TP cann't shoot flying target because some reason ( may be the ship design or problem integration the control system and gun, ship) while Molniya don't meet that problem.
i think if we can solve the these 2 problem, we can make a Vietnamese ship design by ourself.
 
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Pfff as a expect, another load of crap. Not that i expect anything else from US Shamecum anyway

I read though the first half of your argument and its seem plausible enough, but then this.



LOL LOL LOL Are you high on drug or something ? Sure there are UAV that has dimensions around that such as the MQ-1 Reaper with the length of 8 meters and the wingspan of 14.8 meters. But then there is UAV like RQ-4 Global Hawk with the wingspan that nearly 3 times the length so that assumption about " Wingspan is twice the length" smell very cummy.

You are like "1+1 = 2, 2+2 = 4 and therefore the Earth is flat". Sound really stupid if not utterly retarded. Symptoms of a person that got his head hit the ground extremely hard after being kicked off from a helicopter by an American.

And you seem doubtful of the UAV wingspan ? Then take a guess of this UAV wingspan and you will see that such angle cannot be used to determine precisely a object. Much easier if you assume every square is 1 feet long though :v

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And the assumption that those bricks that made up the floor is "1 feet long" is another point that very cummy. Since 30 x 30 and 20 x 20 bricks are mostly used in household while large open space for demonstrating purpose use much larger size bricks which usually fall into 40 x 40 to say the least.

Now its possible that the machine that in the clip is only a model to fit the space but its wingspan will never be a 5m in any way, so now lets check the clip below.


Look carefully at 1 : 01. I see at least 10 visible bricks under the right wings, maybe a lot of more since the pillar is blocking the view. In the worst case that this is also the true size of the the UAV, its still offer more than 10 meter of wingspan. And with the using of Rotax power plant, covering 4,000 km without having to carry any weapons is a feasible task.

You are not exposing anyone, you just pretend to be sophisticated while weasel your way through any questions that seem too high for your knowledge, that is it, plain and simple.
You cumback with nothing but a bunch of uneducated cummie comments and "analysis". Now you even use an analogy of a U.S UAV parked on a tarmac and compare it with an RC Toy of yours parked in a tiny little room. I don't believe any third worlder like u have ever seen a square of runway tarmac to even use that to compare with a square of a floor tile, LOL.

I already look at your photos and video. That thing that you guys claim to be a HALE UAV is too tiny, my cummie friend. Your total wingspan is about 10-15 pieces of floor tiles across and that totaled up to be no more than 15 feet. 15 feet is LESS THAN 5 meters my friend, sorry to expose your b.s. I already said, this is an international forum, not your usual vit konk forum where you throw out propaganda to feel good among yourselves. LOL.

Countries with strong industrial base have to go through great length to be able to make a MALE UAV then they move up to HALE UAV. Shitnam of yours has little to no industrial capabilities and now you're telling the world that you jump out of no where and produce a HALE UAV like you're claiming now? You don't even have any wind tunnel to test your flying rc toy or any of your "UFO"; lol. Just look at that p.o.s again and see if it's even anywhere close to the scale of the Reaper?

Maybe the typical cummie like you can only afford a scooter to go around that's why your head gets bombarded with u.v ray to think straight?
 
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Why is it so difficult for Vietnam to make a 1000 ton patrol ship? I'm sure the capability to build it is there, so the issue is the design of the ship? Can't scale up the design of the TT-400TP or the Molniya?
It's not that easy to upscale a ship design.

We got the TT-400 design from Ukraine and DN-2000/4000 from the Netherlands. Now we're looking for a 1000-1500 ton ship design though.
 
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You cumback with nothing but a bunch of uneducated cummie comments and "analysis". Now you even use an analogy of a U.S UAV parked on a tarmac and compare it with an RC Toy of yours parked in a tiny little room. I don't believe any third worlder like u have ever seen a square of runway tarmac to even use that to compare with a square of a floor tile, LOL.

I already look at your photos and video. That thing that you guys claim to be a HALE UAV is too tiny, my cummie friend. Your total wingspan is about 10-15 pieces of floor tiles across and that totaled up to be no more than 15 feet. 15 feet is LESS THAN 5 meters my friend, sorry to expose your b.s. I already said, this is an international forum, not your usual vit konk forum where you throw out propaganda to feel good among yourselves. LOL.

Countries with strong industrial base have to go through great length to be able to make a MALE UAV then they move up to HALE UAV. Shitnam of yours has little to no industrial capabilities and now you're telling the world that you jump out of no where and produce a HALE UAV like you're claiming now? You don't even have any wind tunnel to test your flying rc toy or any of your "UFO"; lol. Just look at that p.o.s again and see if it's even anywhere close to the scale of the Reaper?

Maybe the typical cummie like you can only afford a scooter to go around that's why your head gets bombarded with u.v ray to think straight?
I prefer if you answer to other people's posts without resorting to insulting ...I wasn't there so don't know what's real, but you should know at least, man usually loves to brag his is longer until it is proven otherwise? :woot:
 
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scale up the design seem not easy because it may affect the ship balance, it may cause something like BPS-500, cannot launch missile when running ( the ship stall too much), that while only 1 ship was build, the second one was cancel, we did not having any experience on design a good ship.
i think if we have the design, making the hull may be not impossible, we already make BPS-500 hull many year ago, and now we can make DN-2000, but the problem is integrate all the system ( engine, control, gun). I heard something that AK-176 on TT-400TP cann't shoot flying target because some reason ( may be the ship design or problem integration the control system and gun, ship) while Molniya don't meet that problem.
i think if we can solve the these 2 problem, we can make a Vietnamese ship design by ourself.

It's not that easy to upscale a ship design.

We got the TT-400 design from Ukraine and DN-2000/4000 from the Netherlands. Now we're looking for a 1000-1500 ton ship design though.

Very good explanation, thank you. Have to buy the rights of a foreign design then.
 
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yeah, before we can make of our own, we should find some teacher :bunny::bunny::bunny:

I think India can provide a lot of assistance including design assistance.

Well, well if that happened, and Vietnam rolled out a tender for 6000-7000 tonne frigate , then GRSE indeed going to participate with P-17 A.

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What is the expected price of the P-17 A? It looks mighty good.
 
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I think India can provide a lot of assistance including design assistance.



What is the expected price of the P-17 A? It looks mighty good.
Dont know, but one can imagine that is even surpassing P-15B Destroyer , they just calling it frigate. But with weapon system and sensors, Command and Control structure, almost all are same.

Let me post some article about P-17 A and P-15 A, from there you can imagine all things.

This is from 2011

In what can only be described as joyous ‘Deepavali-eve’ tidings for the Indian Navy (IN), the Govt of India’s Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) earlier last week finally approved the Ministry of Defence’s proposal for kick-starting the Project 17A guided-missile frigate’s (FFG) design-cum-construction programme, which is already running four years behind schedule. Consequently, the MoD-owned and Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks Ltd (MDL), teamed with Fincantieri, has at long-last, received both the green light and the much-required funds required for commencing work on the Project 17A FFG programme, which now calls for the Project 17A FFG to be an advanced derivative of the existing 5,600-tonne Project 17 Shivalik-class FFG, and NOT a brand-new warship design outsourced from abroad. While MDL will be the lead yard for both detailed design and construction of the first four Project 17A FFGs, Kolkata-based Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers will build the remaining three FFGs. It is estimated that the first Project 17A FFG will be launched five years (within 60 months, or by 2017) after its keel-laying ceremony (to be held in the latter half of next year), followed by the remaining six FFGs being delivered every successive year through to 2022.

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The CCNS decision, which is likely to cause dismay to foreign shipbuilders like Fincantieri of Italy, France’s Direction des Constructions Navales (DCNS), Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, Russia’s Severnoye Design Bureau/Admiralty Shipyards, Spain’s Navantia, the UK’s BAE Systems, and South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries, is likely to result in the Project 17 FFG’s design being modified to accommodate new-generation weapon systems like the Barak-2 MR-SAM/EL/M-2248 MF-STAR combination (see: http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/04/mf-star-deliveries-for-project-15a-ddgs_07.html) instead of the Cashmere area air defence system comprising the 24 rounds of 40km-range 9M317M Shtil-1 MR-SAMs, 3S-90 missile launcher, four MR-90 Orekh target illuminators, and the Salyut FSUE-built E-band MR-760 Fregat M2EM 3-D radar; plus BrahMos vertically-launched supersonic multi-role cruise missiles instead of the the eight Novator-built 3M54E Klub-N supersonic 220km-range anti-ship cruise missiles. The crew complement will likely be reduced from the existing 257 (including 35 officers) to about 110 by introducing high levels of automation, which will translate into a savings of around 20% in operational costs and higher operational availability of the warships. The Project 17A FFG’s superstructure will also make extensive use of composites similar to what’s now being done on board the latter two of the four Project 28 Kamorta-class ASW corvettes now under fabrication by GRSE.

The decision to fast-track the project 17A FFG construction programme comes close on the heels of a major upgrade undertaken by MDL of its integrated shipbuilding processes for FFGs, which will become idle once the third and last Project 17 FFG—INS Sahyadri—is commissioned into service early next year. Therefore, in order to make optimum utilisation of its warship-building capacities and capabilities, the MoD, in an unusual show of pragmatism, had last month decided to fast-track the indigenous warship construction roadmap.

Thus far, MDL’s infrastructure modernisation plans have moved ahead in four areas: installation of a 300-tonne Goliath crane, construction of a new modular workshop for FFGs, and fabrication of a wet-basin for the outfitting of FFGs and DDGs. All three of these will be ready for usage by early next year and will make MDL the first MoD-owned DPSU to undertake integrated shipbuilding concurrently for two lines of warships and two lines of submarines: the seven Project 17A FFGs, the four 6,800-tonne Project 15B guided-missile destroyers (DDG), and the six Scorpene SSKs and the yet-to-be-ordered Project 75I SSKs. In addition to all this, MDL has also built two more modular workshops—one for warship-building (the four Project 15B DDGs) and the other for submarine construction—at the Alcock Yard, which is adjacent to MDL’s main yard. Consequently, by late next year, MDL will have two dedicated submarine construction facilities—one at its East Yard and the other at the Alcock Yard, both of which will be used for the accelerated delivery of the six Scorpene SSKs on order. As things now stand, the first Scorpene will be launched by August 2015, with the sixth being launched by September 2018.

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And each Project 15A DDG’s acquisition cost is almost US$950 million (Rs.38 billion), while that of each Project 17 FFG is US$650 million (Rs.26 billion). The cost escalation in these two shipbuilding projects has been about 225% for Project 15A, about 260% for Project 17, with the main reasons contributing towards cost escalations being: delay in supply of warship-building D-40S steel by Russia, escalation due to increases in expenditure of the services rendered by Russian specialists on account of inflation during the build-period, impact of wage revisions due from October 2003, and finalisation of cost of weapons and sensors.

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INS Kolkata, whose keel was laid down on September 23, 2003, was launched on March 30, 2006. Therefore, detailed design of this class of DDG (using TRIBON CAD software) by a joint team comprising the IN’s in-house Directorate of Naval Design (DND)—which celebrates its 50 years of existence this year—and the MoD-owned shipbuilder Mazagon Docks Ltd (MDL), should have been concluded by mid-2002. But this was not to be, since the weapon-and-sensor fitments were yet to be selected at that time. It was only on January 27, 2006 that India’s MoD-owned Defence R & D Organisation (DRDO) and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) inked the Barak-2 LR-SAM’s joint five-year joint R & D contract—valued at US$556 million—following 17 months of exhaustive negotiations. And the follow-on US$1.1 billion procurement contract for Barak-2 LR-SAMs and the three EL/M-2248 S-band multi-function search-and-target acquisition radars (MF-STAR)—the first naval active phased-array radars to become operational with a navy of the Indian Ocean Region (IOR)—was inked in April 2009. As a result, it can be safely inferred that the DND had finalised only about 70% of the DDG’s design by 2003.
 
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What cannot be denied, however, is that the IN’s DND and its captive centre of excellence—the Weapons & Electronics Systems Engineering Establishment (WESEE)—along with MDL, have succeeded in fabricating and delivering an engineering marvel, despite several institutional handicaps. For instance, designing and building the main mast housing the EL/M-2248 was no small achievement. This APAR comprises four 3 x 3-metre fixed-array faces (each weighing 1,500kg) based on a modular tile-array architecture providing full 360-degree coverage. Liquid cooling is used to dissipate heat at the arrays. The EL/M-2248’s on-board processors and power-suppliers together weigh 900kg and are housed within six cabinets--two for the processors and four for the power-supply hardware. The entire MF-STAR suite thus weighs 6,900kg. In addition to 3-D long-range airspace volume search, the EL/M-2248 simultaneously provides ASCM approach warning; target classification; maritime surface surveillance; active and semi-active SAM support; fire-control for the OTOBreda 76/62 SRGM; and multiple targets engagement capabilities. It can detect a combat aircraft flying at high altitude at ranges of up to 250km, while an incoming ASCM can be detected at ranges of up to 25km.

The INS Kolkata’s CMS-15A combat management system (CMS), developed by the WESEE, includes the IAI-developed Weapon Control System (WCS), which performs threat evaluation and resource allocation functions, thereby optimising the capabilities of the CMS. The WCS thus provides simultaneous long-range volume search, threat alert, target verification/acquisition, target classification, track-while-search, and dedicated track, multi-long-range intercept support, and kill assessment capabilities. It is also characterised by:
* Wide intercept envelopes against a wide variety of targets.
* Quick reaction, short response time and minimum intercept range, these being crucial in scenarios of late target detection, high-speed attacking weapons, and restrained response policy.
* Long-range area defence.
* Effective against targets from low-altitude to their maximum operational flight altitude.
* Simultaneous multi-target engagement capability and multi-missile co-existence capability for ensuring effectiveness against saturation attacks.
* De-confliction and coordination capabilities in dense and complex scenarios.
* Advanced ECCM features.
* Built-in threat evaluation, resources allocation and engagement coordination with other on-board defence systems.
* 2-way data-link with LR-SAMs (housed within eight 8-cell modules each weighing 1,700kg) increases mission success and target selectivity by providing the missile with real-time in-flight targetting updates, and providing real-time kill assessment to support shoot-look-shoot operations.
* Multi-system interoperability (task force-level as well as carrier battle group-level operations), under which each system may operate either as a standalone unit, supported by own sensors for engagement and guidance; or integrated in a multi-warship task force. Joint task force-level operation enables coordinated engagement of threats, mission optimisation (engaging each target with the optimal interceptor, in the optimal time) and resource sharing.
* Advanced Net-of-Nets architecture to ensure interoperability with other air-defence assets, such as remote/airborne radars mounted on aerostats) and external command-and-control centres).
* The Barak-8 LR-SAM’s flexible dual-pulse motor propulsion system provides high manoeuvrability at target interception range throughout its wide envelope.
* High-performance missile warhead specially designed for catering to a wide variety of airborne targets, and which guarantees robust target destruction.
* Built-in fratricide avoidance for undertaking safe air-defence operations near friendly air-traffic.

* Gunnery support capability, including combined missiles/gun engagement.

Ideally, the RAN-40L should have gone on-board the INS Kolkata, just like the 127mm cannon should have been selected instead of the 76/62 SRGM. The seven P-17A FFGs & four P-15B DDGs will have the same type of on-board sensors & weapons fitments as on the INS Kolkata. But only time will tell whether a further design revision is undertaken at a later date to incorporate new-generation L-band radars & 127mm cannons. As for the BARCO AMLCDs, just picture for yourself a standard-looking bridge, with the three AMLCDs hanging from the ceiling of the bridge behind the CO’s chair, plus one 20-inch AMLCD in front of the CO to display the IIR imagery. Right now, only the IN has long-distance two-way data-links operational (the LINK-2 & now the LINK-3) & they’re on par with the best that’s available from abroad. The IAF & IA don’t yet have such data-links in place. The IAF has tactical two-way data-links for use by combat aircraft that need to communicate with the A-50I PHALCONs, data-links for receiving air situation picture on the ground from the A-50Is, data-links for receiving recce imagery on the ground & in the battlefield from RecceLite pods, data-links for downloading on the ground real-time SAR imagery obtained from EL/M-2060P pods, & data-links for sending such data to a satellite from Bombardier Global 5000 equipped with EL/M-2060 SAR & then bouncing this data back to ground receiving stations in real-time. SATCOM-based data-links can only be jammed over the battlefield & not anywhere else. LINK-3 data-link operating in the L- & Ku-bands, & not Ka-band.

The bridge of INS Kolkata is breathtaking indeed & features three large AMLCDs sourced from Belgium’s BARCO on which the DDG’s CO, while present on the bridge, can be shown the entire land, sea & air situational awareness projections all at the same time, i.e. the very same projections available at the combat information centre (CIC). This was a concept the WESEE had designed & co-developed with the DRDO after it had done a comprehensive study of the US Navy’s AEGIS system. The Indian version, though, is not as advanced as the AEGIS since the AEGIS makes use of data available from a host of space-based & airborne platforms (i.e. the cooperative engagement capability) the kind of which is not yet available to the IN. But the incorporation of the LINK-3 data-link operating in the L- & Ka-bands (the latter with the help of GSAT-7/Rukmini) has improved the IN’s at-sea situational awareness by leaps & bounds.
 
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