Vietnam Goes Shopping for U.S. Weapons

[BoQ77]

How far is North China from vietnam?

Detecting and try to hit accurately with missile are 2 different things. I know it's hard for you to accept China massive involvement in achieving unification for vietnam.

Maybe next time you will come to denied Ho chi minh trail and say the supply route is linked to Russia and China never supply a single thing for vietnam in vietnam war?

Tell me what you know about tactic to detect B-52 during 1970s ? I ask this because you claim "B-52 fly very high and easy for radar to detect". I must say B-52 is not the passenger airline

 

[Beast]

It all started when they denied that Taiwan is in the Pacific Ocean.

Taiwan - Location and size, Territories and dependencies, Climate, Topographic regions, Oceans and seas

The above is only one of many sources, including the American National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that explained the difference between a 'sea' and an 'ocean', as well as other impeccable sources that places Taiwan IN the Pacific Ocean. These sources said combinations of 'edge of the Pacific Ocean', or 'borders the Pacific' or something to that effect, but none deny the geographical and cartographic facts that Taiwan is IN the Pacific Ocean. Also, I cannot list all the ways these guys have mangled the laws of physics to suit their claims.

Discover Taiwan > General Information >

" It lies off the southeastern coast of mainland Asia, across the Taiwan Strait from China - an island on the western edge of the Pacific Ocean. "

Edge and in are both different thing. Taiwanese claim themsleves on the edge of pacific ocean. We respect their wish and geographical position.

Tell me what you know about tactic to detect B-52 during 1970s ? I ask this because you claim "B-52 fly very high and easy for radar to detect". I must say B-52 is not the passenger airline

U can ask this question with Russian or ukraine rebel who mistaken MH17 and shot it down

 

[BoQ77]

This:

@BoQ77 the OP mentions spare parts for captured or left behind US equipment? What US gear does Vietnam use and needs repairs?

And is there any chance Vietnam would be interested in an LCS type ship (Freedom class), perhaps an up-gunned version, as is being proposed to the USN as its newest frigate?

Veitnam is receiving patrol craft:

US Helping Strengthen Vietnamese Coast Guard

US transfers 5 patrol ships to Vietnam as maritime assistance: media

Bbut is there any interest in major surface combatants, or will Vietnam prefer to continue to source its gear from Russian, European and domestic designs?

Nice lady. Is that you?
Spare parts are for :
- Hundreds APC
- Hundreds UH-1A
- C-130
- Radar station
- US even leave a small nuclear reactor in Da Lat, Vietnam using HEU
Radar station in Da Nang

 

[gambit]

Combination of all weapon platform, link all unit and share information, cover each other
Like a single F18A would not be a system.
Yet a squad of F18A leaded be E2 AWCS could be a small system.
a carrier strike group with AWCS, F18A fighter, aircraft carrier, Arleigh Burke, etc are bigger system.
And entire US military force is the whole system.
Probably you don`t use that word...

The proper words are: philosophies, doctrines, and tactics.

Philosophy is the general and high level exposition of foundational issues.

Doctrine is lower level and is about beliefs taught. For example, the air force would not hold army doctrines, and the army would not hold navy doctrines.

Tactics are the execution methods based upon doctrines and philosophies.

 

[BoQ77]

U can ask this question with Russian or ukraine rebel who mistaken MH17 and shot it down

That mean your statement is baseless, for joke?

 

[hans]

B52 is not difficult to detect. China detect B52 from 300-400 KM away off China coast
When China announce its air defense identification zone, US send B52 to show US will not accept but will not do much to challenge.

Yet shoot down B52 escorted by many electronic plane and fighters is another thing...

Tell me what you know about tactic to detect B-52 during 1970s ? I ask this because you claim "B-52 fly very high and easy for radar to detect". I must say B-52 is not the passenger airline

 

[Aepsilons]

This:

I wanna sip some of that.

The coconut, i mean.

 

[Beast]

That mean your statement is baseless, for joke?

See the explanation by Hans. Who is more baseless or u want to say B-52 make low level flying formation over terrain to penetrate north vietnam airspace?

 

[Transhumanist]

B52 is not difficult to detect. China detect B52 from 300-400 KM away off China coast

Was the B-52 flown near China operating under combat conditions? It likely wasn't broadcasting EM countermeasures - this is the point @BoQ77 is trying to make. Detecting a non-evasive aircraft that wants to be detected - since it's making a statement, is far different from trying to locate a heavy bomber that is actively masking its location through electro-magnetic interference, thus making radar detection nearly impossible.

@BoQ77 is right, when using its ECM defense, the B-52 isn't a easy to find on radar.

 

[BoQ77]

B52 is not difficult to detect. China detect B52 from 300-400 KM away off China coast
When China announce its air defense identification zone, US send B52 to show US will not accept but will not do much to challenge.

Yet shoot down B52 escorted by many electronic plane and fighters is another thing...

hans. That couple of B-52 unarmed, didn't use any electronic jamming equipments ( built-in )
And you applied the comment for wrong time. Vietnam War happened a half of century ago
1970 vs 2014

 

[Transhumanist]

I wanna sip some of that.

The coconut, i mean.

You and me both.

Nice lady. Is that you?
Spare parts are for :
- Hundreds APC
- Hundreds UH-1A
- C-130
- Radar station
- US even leave a small nuclear reactor in Da Lat, Vietnam using HEU
Radar station in Da Nang

Wow! And thanks, I knew about some of the systems, like the UH-1s, but a nuclear reactor too. Wow! That's a serious spoil of war.

Any updates on potential P-3 sales? It was reported last year, around September, that the US was interested in selling the surplus P-3s to Vietnam.

U.S. considers selling P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft to Vietnam | global aviation report

 

[Beast]

Was the B-52 flown near China operating under combat conditions? It likely wasn't broadcasting EM countermeasures - this is the point @BoQ77 is trying to make. Detecting a non-evasive aircraft that wants to be detected - since it's making a statement, is far different from trying to locate a heavy bomber that is actively masking its location through electro-magnetic interference, thus making radar detection nearly impossible.

@BoQ77 is right, when using its ECM defense, the B-52 isn't a easy to find on radar.

How did NVA shot down B-52? Don't tell me no NVA SAM shot down B-52 before?

hans. That couple of B-52 unarmed, didn't use any electronic jamming equipments ( built-in )
And you applied the comment for wrong time. Vietnam War happened a half of century ago
1970 vs 2014

Thanks for answering my question. So VPAF detect B-52 and know before hand and ran off like rats to China to hide. Runaway can't flly and hide

 

[BoQ77]

You and me both.



Wow! And thanks, I knew about some of the systems, like the UH-1s, but a nuclear reactor too. Wow! That's a serious spoil of war.

Any updates on potential P-3 sales? It was reported last year, around September, that the US was interested in selling the surplus P-3s to Vietnam.

U.S. considers selling P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft to Vietnam | global aviation report

Nuclear reactor built in 1962 for South Vietnam. It remain here serving nowaday Vietnam
P-3 ? Vietnam need to wait for the arm embargo fully lift, to buy the full armed P3 s,

 

[Transhumanist]

How did NVA shot down B-52? Don't tell me no NVA SAM shot down B-52 before?

The USAF made some mistakes that the NVA could capitalize on, similar to the downing of an F-117 in Serbia - they flew the same routes too often. Do that too many times and the enemy just plops defense in your way. Of course when they fire massive quantities, jamming equipment isn't working right or not being used, or the ground operator gets lucky, the downing of an air craft is possible.

14 B-52s were downed via SAM - That's not a lot considering the total number of sorties measured in the thousands.

Nearly 100,000 (84,000 to be more accurate) total missions, 14 downed B-52s by SAM - not an overwhelming success the SAMs were against the BUFF.

Vietnam War B-52 Missions, Totals By Year/Month

 

[BoQ77]

How did NVA shot down B-52? Don't tell me no NVA SAM shot down B-52 before?


Thanks for answering my question. So VPAF detect B-52 and know before hand and ran off like rats to China to hide. Runaway can't flly and hide

How NVA shot down B-52 ? Why Vietnam must tell you?

You statement is so childish, once detected most of aircrafts would be shot down. It's too simple.
except SR-71 also used in Vietnam war.

Ran off is the way you prefer, but not Vietnam way.

Translated text "How to defeat B-52" in 1970 or 1972 by NVN

The USAF made some mistakes that the NVA could capitalize on, similar to the downing of an F-117 in Serbia - they flow the same route too often. Do that too many times and the enemy just plops defense in your way. Of course when they fire massive quantities, jamming equipment is working right or not being used, or the ground operator gets lucky, the downing of an air craft is possible.

14 B-52s were downed via SAM - That's not a lot considering the total number of sorties measured in the thousands.

Nearly 100,000 total missions, 14 downed B-52s by SAM - not an overwhelming success the SAMs were against the BUFF.

Vietnam War B-52 Missions, Totals By Year/Month

15 crashed on site.
Others on the way home.
Total they lost 34 during this 11 days operation
Vietnam detected them,

15 or 30 B-52 losses are too heavy damage for 11 days
average 200 sorties / day, so total about 2,000 sorties and lose 15-30 Stratofortress

And yes. Sam looks like ineffective against B-52 before this operation "Linebacker 2"