Vietnam Goes Shopping for U.S. Weapons

[BoQ77]

700 million for 28 modernized F-16 is not so bad deal, as with Indonesia.

 

[gambit]

700 million for 28 modernized F-16 is not so bad deal, as with Indonesia.

The F-16 is going to give China seconds, thirds, fourths, and fifths thoughts about Viet Nam's self defense capabilities.

 

[hans]

It is only common sense.
You need to roughly know how weapons work, how a battle is organized, how to attack and defense..
Yet many people here does not know these common sense..

Am still trying to figure out this 'expert' comment: 'Most of US weapons works well inside US military system. But once leave it, these weapons will not be so good.'

 

[BoQ77]

Supposedly, this picture is taken by an Indonesian pilot, while on assignment at Hill AFB. Something to do with the regeneration of the 24+ F-16C that are to be transferred to the Indonesian Air Force starting this year.

The Indonesian Air Force website call this F-16C 52ID. Not sure if that's official designation or not.

 

[Beast]

I did not avoid your question. You are not smart enough to understand the context of my original comment. It is not about the quantity of how much Viet Nam can buy from US, it is about the inevitable favorable relationship between the two countries. Your Chinese leadership is more farsighted than you are.


Make an intelligent comment and the Hainan Incident will remain in the background. LordTiredanus is not a very intelligent member here.

Why u didn't dare to tell everybody here vietnam Has an annual military budget of USD5billion only compare to China USD141billion? Or you want to say vietnam economic is going to grow 100% every year and suddenly they will have an budget of USD 100billion 10yrs later?

Becos you know the very limit vietnam military can do to China. Even vietnam added 60 F-16, it is not going to change the outcome of a confrontation between vietnam and China.

Since you wan to talk abt hainan incident. I don't know who loses much in that confrontation? All the secret of EP-3 vs a old J-8II? And the pilot is never found? Do u know why? He is still alive and enjoying his retirement in secluded area in China since he help China to get their hands on all the goodies inside EP-3. We managed to reverse engineer most equipment onboard our own ELINT aircraft. While USN secure equipment is fully compromise. A loser shout victory. I pity you.

 

[hans]

F16 means no threat to China.
Just take out the limited airfield and the power of F16 will be greatly reduced.
It is silly to send fighter for a face to face air combat against F16.

China will have second thought only if you give F22 or B2 to Vietnam

The F-16 is going to give China seconds, thirds, fourths, and fifths thoughts about Viet Nam's self defense capabilities.

So I need to write a article, explain why US advanced weapons like Arleigh Burke will not work in VN without US military system??
If you are experience, you should already know why.
If you are not experience, only looking at the conclusion is enough.

The problem is that the comment is overly vague, so much so that it is applicable to anything/anyone. A Spetznaz operator works very well inside the Russian military system, but put him into the Chicago ghetto and he is dead meat. Does that make sense to you ?

The great thing about vagueness is that it gives the impression of intelligent commentary and when the majority of the audience is equally inexperience, the commentator usually get away with it. Unfortunately for the Chinese members here, the American camp on this forum is missing just a Marine, else we got the other services covered.

 

[BoQ77]

F16 means no threat to China.
Just take out the limited airfield and the power of F16 will be greatly reduced.
It is silly to send fighter for a face to face air combat against F16.

China will have second thought only if you give F22 or B2 to Vietnam

F16 will be the platform to launch something to surface. That's all.
For example JASSM or Harpoon missiles. Or bomb like B-61, B83.
They are designed to bring those.

 

[Beast]

F16 will be the platform to launch something to surface. That's all.
For example JASSM or Harpoon missiles. Or bomb like B-61, B83

provided F-16 can fly w/o obstruction.

 

[BoQ77]

provided F-16 can fly w/o obstruction.

If US agreed to sell others the air fighters, mean US agreed to arm those fighters to those countries. The cost incl. training.

 

[Beast]

If US agreed to sell others the air fighters, mean US agreed to arm those fighters to those countries. The cost incl. training.

They will not do it free. Ask indonesia how much they paid US for used F-16 only.

 

[hans]

The best way against a fighter is not sending another fighter for air combat.
Take out the airfield or destroy the fighter on ground is the best option.
In real war, most VN fighters will not have the chance to take off..
The remaining has to focus on air defense..
Of course personally I never expect a war..

F16 will be the platform to launch something to surface. That's all.
For example JASSM or Harpoon missiles. Or bomb like B-61, B83.
They are designed to bring those.

 

[BoQ77]

They will not do it free. Ask indonesia how much they paid US for used F-16 only.

Vietnam doesn't expect the donation. But buying list.
700 mln for 24 of F16C Blk52 with 4 of F-16C in CKD and 28 of spare engines.

The best way against a fighter is not sending another fighter for air combat.
Take out the airfield or destroy the fighter on ground is the best option.
In real war, most VN fighters will not have the chance to take off..
The remaining has to focus on air defense..
Of course personally I never expect a war..

Do you know, American tried to do that during the whole of Vietnam War? incl. electronic warfare.
So your tactic is workable ... but in video game only

 

[Beast]

Vietnam doesn't expect the donation. But buying list.
700 mln for 24 of F16C Blk52 with 4 of F-16C in CKD and 28 of spare engines.

You can continue waiting with these prices.

Do you know, American tried to do that during the whole of Vietnam War?

Do you know that during vietnam war, NVAF has the luxuries of flying into China airspace and US not going to do anything about it?

In now where do u going to fly too?

 

[BoQ77]

You can continue waiting with these prices.



Do you know that during vietnam war, NVAF has the luxuries of flying into China airspace and US not going to do anything about it?

In now where do u going to fly too?

Do you know the range of Mig-17 or Mig-21 ?
700 mln or cheaper, why not?

 

[gambit]

It is only common sense.
You need to roughly know how weapons work, how a battle is organized, how to attack and defense..
Yet many people here does not know these common sense..

Am an Air Force guy. I have 10yrs USAF on F-111 and F-16. How about you ?

What I said about your comment is correct -- that it is overly vague and is applicable to every weapon in any military. But I guess not to Chinese weapons ?