Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

Vietnam airforce is looking for a modern trainer aircraft, complementing the existing L-39 trainer aircraft fleet. Yak-130 probably is the best choice.

Yak-130

 

[Viet]

Police women with H&K rifle

 

[Viet]

I don't think the mainlanders will be amused.

Taiwanese president Tsai Ing-wen, who is also the DPP chairwoman, nominates a Vietnamese to head a new created immigration office. Tran Thi Hoang Phuon (left), a lecturer of Vietnamese language at National Chengchi University of Taiwan. Tran has a degree in law from Vietnam National University. In 1995, she married a Taiwanese man. 850,000 immigrants live in Taiwan, with many coming from Vietnam. With a Vietnamese as chief immigration adviser to the goverment, more Vietnamese are expected to come to the promised land. Good stuff.

 

[hoangsa74]

I don't think the mainlanders will be amused.

Taiwanese president Tsai Ing-wen, who is also the DPP chairwoman, nominates a Vietnamese to head a new created immigration office. Tran Thi Hoang Phuon (left), a lecturer of Vietnamese language at National Chengchi University of Taiwan. Tran has a degree in law from Vietnam National University. In 1995, she married a Taiwanese man. 850,000 immigrants live in Taiwan, with many coming from Vietnam. With a Vietnamese as chief immigration adviser to the goverment, more Vietnamese are expected to come to the promised land. Good stuff.

What is this having to do with viet military hardware purchase or military industry?

 

[terranMarine]

The only thing Viet is unamused of is the meatless bone China threw at Vietnam , Pinoy on the other hand is enjoying assistance from China.

 

[Svantana]

PTDI Will Export Aircraft Unit 5 NC212i to the Philippines and Vietnam

Jakarta - PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) plans to export 5 NC212i. The aircraft will be sent to the Philippines 3 units and Vietnam 2 units.

Air export plan NC212i abroad is not the first carried out by PTDI. Previous PTDI also been exporting propeller aircraft similar type to the Philippine military in 2013.

"Exports this year will be for Vietnam and the Philippines. 3 units NC212i to the Philippines and 2 units to Vietnam," said Director of Production PTDI, Arie Wibowo, to detikFinance, Jakarta, Monday (20/03/2017).

Previously, PT DI also recorded to have been exported aircraft to Vietnam NC212i 3 units.. Even for similar aircraft of type NC212 also been exported to Thailand as much as 6 units.

Then for NC212 in Indonesia recorded 99 units, among others, be used for civil and military transport and Maritime Surveillance Aircraft (MSA)

Since 1976, PT DI has been noted that producing 403 aircraft and helicopters. Some aircraft production has been exported to several countries in the world, for military and civilian flights. (WDL / WDL)

original article in Indonesian.
https://finance.detik.com/industri/...5-unit-pesawat-nc212i-ke-filipina-dan-vietnam

 

[Silent Knight]

I heard that the US Navy also uses this method to clean their aircrafts, i.e. the F-18s. Can anyone confirm?

https://gfycat.com/ReflectingFoolhardyHochstettersfrog

 

[Viet]

I heard that the US Navy also uses this method to clean their aircrafts, i.e. the F-18s. Can anyone confirm?

https://gfycat.com/ReflectingFoolhardyHochstettersfrog

Cleaning by brush is one of the possibilities. a washing street is one among them

 

[GS Zhou]

It will take a while until Vietnam submarines can fire the first ballistic missile.

A kilo sub to launch ballistic missile? I think you are aware of the difference between ballistic missile and cruise missile. Aren't you?

Currently, there are only two conventional subs that could carry and fire ballistic missile. One is China's type 032 (6,600 ton), which China used as the experimental platform for the Julang series missiles; another comes from North Korea.

Type 032 sub of China

The superme DPRK leader and his ballistic missile sub

 

[Viet]

A kilo sub to launch ballistic missile? I think you are aware of the difference between ballistic missile and cruise missile. Aren't you?

Currently, there are only two conventional subs that could carry and fire ballistic missile. One is China's type 032 (6,600 ton), which China used as the experimental platform for the Julang series missiles; another comes from North Korea.

Type 032 sub of China
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The superme DPRK leader and his ballistic missile sub
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No, the current Kilos are not suitable. I posted the picture for illustration. Vietnam needs additional larger subs with Aip capability, longer endurance, be capable to fire ballistic missiles from anywhere in the western Pacific. The world is a jungle, only the fittest survive.

 

[GS Zhou]

No, the current Kilos are not suitable. I posted the picture for illustration. Vietnam needs additional larger subs with Aip capability, longer endurance, be capable to fire ballistic missiles from anywhere in the western Pacific. The world is a jungle, only the fittest survive.

A nice plan! Wonderful!

Lets do a discussion to see how to make it happen. I think the quickest route is to import the sub+ ballistic missiles from North Korea, because DPRK is may be the only country on the earth that could completely ignore the UN restrictions on WMD exports. However, I'm not sure if Kim's toy could meet your target as "larger subs with Aip capability, longer endurance, be capable to fire ballistic missiles from anywhere in the western Pacific". I guess no, at least his current toy could not meet your target.

Another way is do it by your own. I.e. to develop and produce your own sub + ballistic missile in Vietnam. To achieve this, the following steps are required:

1. Develop and produce your very first own sub (a normal sub that using torpedo and cruise missile from the torpedo tube).
2. Once your normal sub is proved reliable, customize it to a special sub that capable of carrying/firing basaltic missile. Given the size and stability requirement of the missiles, that's not an easy job.
3. Develop and produce your own land-based ballistic missile. The key technology obstacle include, e.g. materials to endure the extreme heat when missile re-entering atmosphere, solid fuel, missile guiding system, etc. (I believe this is a must-have step, unless you think you could run, even before you master the skill of walk. )
4. Once your land-based ballistic missile is proved reliable, customize it to a sub-based missile. Again, the size and stability restriction brought by the sub makes the customization very challenging.

To make all the steps done, I guess 20~30years required at least. Of course you can run the sub program and missile program in parallel, but even though, 20~30year estimation is still very optimistic, considering Vietnam's current manufacturing industry capability. Unlike to making online mouth cannon, to make target achieved in real world is always difficult. Trial, fail, trial, fail, trial, fail, ..., trial fail, success. There is no short cut in real world scientific experiment.

So, good luck.

BTW, your opponent is making progress on ASW and anti-missile systems too. So when you design your sub + ballistic missile, you need to look forward and make your secret weapons be ready to the new improvements/ progress of your opponent.

 

[hoangsa74]

A nice plan! Wonderful!

Lets do a discussion to see how to make it happen. I think the quickest route is to import the sub+ ballistic missiles from North Korea, because DPRK is may be the only country on the earth that could completely ignore the UN restrictions on WMD exports. However, I'm not sure if Kim's toy could meet your target as "larger subs with Aip capability, longer endurance, be capable to fire ballistic missiles from anywhere in the western Pacific". I guess no, at least his current toy could not meet your target.

Another way is do it by your own. I.e. to develop and produce your own sub + ballistic missile in Vietnam. To achieve this, the following steps are required:

1. Develop and produce your very first own sub (a normal sub that using torpedo and cruise missile from the torpedo tube).
2. Once your normal sub is proved reliable, customize it to a special sub that capable of carrying/firing basaltic missile. Given the size and stability requirement of the missiles, that's not an easy job.
3. Develop and produce your own land-based ballistic missile. The key technology obstacle include, e.g. materials to endure the extreme heat when missile re-entering atmosphere, solid fuel, missile guiding system, etc. (I believe this is a must-have step, unless you think you could run, even before you master the skill of walk. )
4. Once your land-based ballistic missile is proved reliable, customize it to a sub-based missile. Again, the size and stability restriction brought by the sub makes the customization very challenging.

To make all the steps done, I guess 20~30years required at least. Of course you can run the sub program and missile program in parallel, but even though, 20~30year estimation is still very optimistic, considering Vietnam's current manufacturing industry capability. Unlike to making online mouth cannon, to make target achieved in real world is always difficult. Trial, fail, trial, fail, trial, fail, ..., trial fail, success. There is no short cut in real world scientific experiment.

So, good luck.

BTW, your opponent is making progress on ASW and anti-missile systems too. So when you design your sub + ballistic missile, you need to look forward and make your secret weapons be ready to the new improvements/ progress of your opponent.

Vietnam is right next to china why go through the hassle of buildjng sub and ballistics missle? Any country that can miniaturize the nuke boom to mount on ballistic missile can make a suitcase or backpack nuke easily. A handheld nuke device smuggled across border can avoid anti missile or asw.

 

[Viet]

A nice plan! Wonderful!

Lets do a discussion to see how to make it happen. I think the quickest route is to import the sub+ ballistic missiles from North Korea, because DPRK is may be the only country on the earth that could completely ignore the UN restrictions on WMD exports. However, I'm not sure if Kim's toy could meet your target as "larger subs with Aip capability, longer endurance, be capable to fire ballistic missiles from anywhere in the western Pacific". I guess no, at least his current toy could not meet your target.

Another way is do it by your own. I.e. to develop and produce your own sub + ballistic missile in Vietnam. To achieve this, the following steps are required:

1. Develop and produce your very first own sub (a normal sub that using torpedo and cruise missile from the torpedo tube).
2. Once your normal sub is proved reliable, customize it to a special sub that capable of carrying/firing basaltic missile. Given the size and stability requirement of the missiles, that's not an easy job.
3. Develop and produce your own land-based ballistic missile. The key technology obstacle include, e.g. materials to endure the extreme heat when missile re-entering atmosphere, solid fuel, missile guiding system, etc. (I believe this is a must-have step, unless you think you could run, even before you master the skill of walk. )
4. Once your land-based ballistic missile is proved reliable, customize it to a sub-based missile. Again, the size and stability restriction brought by the sub makes the customization very challenging.

To make all the steps done, I guess 20~30years required at least. Of course you can run the sub program and missile program in parallel, but even though, 20~30year estimation is still very optimistic, considering Vietnam's current manufacturing industry capability. Unlike to making online mouth cannon, to make target achieved in real world is always difficult. Trial, fail, trial, fail, trial, fail, ..., trial fail, success. There is no short cut in real world scientific experiment.

So, good luck.

BTW, your opponent is making progress on ASW and anti-missile systems too. So when you design your sub + ballistic missile, you need to look forward and make your secret weapons be ready to the new improvements/ progress of your opponent.

I will begin to like you if you develop some sense of optimism towards Vietnam. everything you said is correct, but you oversee one point. do you know why Vietnam worked hard over 20 years to get the US lifting arms embargo? correct, to get access to US arms technology. Not North Korea my friend (we are not stupid to invite sanctions), it is western technology that we eye, from the US and her allies, Japan, Germany and the likes. or especially from Israel. it was impossible for Vietnam to get a piece of Israeli military hardware as long as the US arms embargo was still in place.

the Israeli President Reuven Rivlin visits Vietnam this week. You have probably heard the Jews call themselves God´s chosen people, but the Jews call themselves ‘Sabras’. I can explain later why it means or you can find out by yourself. Vietnam and Israel have signed an agreement on collaboration in the fields of industrial research and development, everything to military. why not learn from the Jews, who fight over thousands of years for survival? the vietnamese are usually lazy, not wanting to reinvent the wheels. why not buying German Aip submarines and equip them with ballistic missiles? that is the way the Israeli are doing.

 

[Nike]

things about US and allies defense tech and sharing tech

1. Vietnam till now still not one of US major non NATO ally, or have special billateral relationship privilege like many GCC countries and some South East Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore and Phillippines). To warrant US let her and her allies to share many sensitive defense techs (including Israel too). And though US had partially lifting her embargoes to Vietnam there is no actual meaningful transfer of weapons from US to Vietnam after that.

2. Most of US Allies have political restriction and strings regarding sale of their weapons systems and sharing technologies (especially Germany, UK), most prefer to have defense cooperation with Countries who hold the same value and interest with them (democracy, promoting human rights, sharing profit and other)

3. Even Vietnam can get Israel made conventional weapons system like Extra, Acular and Spyder, i personally will doubting US will let Israel to sharing a more sensitive tech like ballistic missile system and other capabilities regarding Vietnam longstanding mutual relationship with Russia, one of US competitor.

in ASEAN region only two Country capable to get US warrant to get some of US and Allies tech and ability to utilizing it in their defense industry and research, Indonesia and Singapore. Just made it simple, i will be in surprise if US willing to give lisence production of one of their propeller engine for military aircraft to Vietnam like what Indonesia get from Honeywell Indonesia co. for Indonesian made CN212i.

 

[Viet]

things about US and allies defense tech and sharing tech

1. Vietnam till now still not one of US major non NATO ally, or have special billateral relationship privilege like many GCC countries and some South East Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore and Phillippines). To warrant US let her and her allies to share many sensitive defense techs (including Israel too). And though US had partially lifting her embargoes to Vietnam there is no actual meaningful transfer of weapons from US to Vietnam after that.

2. Most of US Allies have political restriction and strings regarding sale of their weapons systems and sharing technologies (especially Germany, UK), most prefer to have defense cooperation with Countries who hold the same value and interest with them (democracy, promoting human rights, sharing profit and other)

3. Even Vietnam can get Israel made conventional weapons system like Extra, Acular and Spyder, i personally will doubting US will let Israel to sharing a more sensitive tech like ballistic missile system and other capabilities regarding Vietnam longstanding mutual relationship with Russia, one of US competitor.

in ASEAN region only two Country capable to get US warrant to get some of US and Allies tech and ability to utilizing it in their defense industry and research, Indonesia and Singapore. Just made it simple, i will be in surprise if US willing to give lisence production of one of their propeller engine for military aircraft to Vietnam like what Indonesia get from Honeywell Indonesia co. for Indonesian made CN212i.

Yes you have better relationship to America. Yes you get US weaponry, receiving better treatment. Yes you can build aircraft, ships and submarines with the assistance from South Korea and other western partners.

But if the Chinese take over the South China Sea tomorrow, controlling the $5 trillion commercial see traffic, can you do anything to stop the Chinese?

Can singapore, the other privileged nation, do anything?

If again the Khmer run amok staging genocide, can you do anything?

Can you do anything at all if a conflict or war breaks out in the region?

In reality you can Nothing.

So all others. They can nothing, either.

But if Vietnam gets a little bit better access to western weaponry, the Chinese become sleepless. The Chinese will pour money into Cambodia and Thailand as if we want to enslave the people of south east Asia tomorrow.

In short, Vietnam can alter the balance of power.

The Chinese know it: Indonesia and the rest can be ignored.