Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

When i used google, it said : MRO : Summary for Marathon Oil Corporation Common

Troi oi, Google translations are pretty bad, can't definitely trust them.

One example of a bad Google translation of a very typical word: Google translates "nice" as "dep" which means beautiful, but nice is not beautiful. Its a different meaning. Only if you say "nice looking" you could come up with something close to beautiful.

 

[waz]

Proof? Sure!

Look at those rusty looking birds, I think it can prove the quality of your "maintenance and overhaul capability".


Thanks @Viet for those photos.

Think over how you act on this forum during your ban. You also insulted a dead pilot.

 

[Carlosa]

A L-39 jet trainer of the VPAF has crashed.

This is a single-pilot flight, so there was no instructor on board, only the pilot trainee. The aircraft suffered technical malfunction during the flight, the pilot requested to stay on aircraft to attempt emergency landing. Sadly, he was killed during the landing.

This is the third accident in Vietnam with the L-39 jet.

One was in 29/4/2005 and another one in 5/6/2007.

Think over how you act on this forum during your ban. You also insulted a dead pilot.

Thank you very much bro, you are the MAN.

 

[Viet]

Maybe Vietnam can look at the L-159 as well? I have heard really good things about it.

BTW, India license produces the Hawk AJT....if you sign a deal with BaE you can get them for cheap from India given the production line for Asia is set up here...and India is looking to move to the advanced Hawk that BaE is developing right now that Vietnam may be interested in too....of course this would be after your Yak-130 timeframe....for maybe more capability as your airforce expands down the road.

actualy the albaros is a good trainer Jet, but it is getting old. yes, we may begin to look for new jets.

 

[Carlosa]

Think over how you act on this forum during your ban. You also insulted a dead pilot.

A dead pilot that was just 22, a rookie, and he died because he tried to save the plane, he defied orders to eject and tried to land. That's actually quite typical in Vietnam.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Ms. mado will be more depressed if she knows Indonesia Leopard 2/A4 tank has no chance in a direct encounter with T-90MS. while the Russian tank would blow up the Leo after piercing through its armor like a hot sharp knife through butter, the Leo could only scratch and damage the T90´s armor a bit

You probably never heard of a thing called a "Monkey Model."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment
BTW hope the T-90 materializes.... Just don't expect it to be any good.

 

[Carlosa]

Here we go again.

 

[Viet]

You probably never heard of a thing called a "Monkey Model."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment
BTW hope the T-90 materializes.... Just don't expect it to be any good.

well nobody can predict the future, whether T-90 will materialize or not, but one thing is sure, if you could maintain military hardware like we do, for example T-34s, your country would still possess Soviet made battleships.

North Vietnamese T-34 tanks and supporting infantry riding into battle. Still in operation today

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

well nobody can predict the future, whether T-90 will materialize or not, but one thing is sure, if you could maintain military hardware like we do, for example T-34s, your country would still possess Soviet made battleships.

North Vietnamese T-34 tanks and supporting infantry riding into battle. Still in operation today

Battleship is a relic of the past like Cavalry. Naval combat are now decided by missiles not cannon. We even slowly replacing our 30mm cannon on our Kapten Pattimura ship for a CIWS.

You shouldn't be proud of maintaining a T-34. In Iran-Iraq war Saddam's collection of Russian Tanks lost to a western tank like the Centurion & Challenger.

 

[Viet]

Battleship is a relic of the past like Cavalry. Naval combat are now decided by missiles not cannon. We even slowly replacing our 30mm cannon on our Kapten Pattimura ship for a CIWS.

You shouldn't be proud of maintaining a T-34. In Iran-Iraq war Saddam's collection of Russian Tanks lost to a western tank like the Centurion & Challenger.

ha ha ha do you think we don´t have missiles? where have you been all the time?

giving you an example. only few countries in the world have submarines equipped by land attack missiles. wake up dude

having modern equipments does not mean we throw the old stuffs away. like many do. like you do.

 

[Carlosa]

well nobody can predict the future, whether T-90 will materialize or not, but one thing is sure, if you could maintain military hardware like we do, for example T-34s, your country would still possess Soviet made battleships.

North Vietnamese T-34 tanks and supporting infantry riding into battle. Still in operation today

In storage actually.

Battleship is a relic of the past like Cavalry. Naval combat are now decided by missiles not cannon. We even slowly replacing our 30mm cannon on our Kapten Pattimura ship for a CIWS.

You shouldn't be proud of maintaining a T-34. In Iran-Iraq war Saddam's collection of Russian Tanks lost to a western tank like the Centurion & Challenger.

I think you forget that Vietnam has reserves of several million men and when you have such large reserves, you need to keep the old equipment in storage and in working condition.

Those reserves infantry forces are better off with some T-34s rather than to not have them, don't you think?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

In storage actually.



I think you forget that Vietnam has reserves of several million men and when you have such large reserves, you need to keep the old equipment in storage and in working condition.

Those reserves infantry forces are better off with some T-34s rather than to not have them, don't you think?

That means you waste valuable resources on a vehicle that are clearly obsolete even by cold war standard. Modern AT-Rifle can even penetrate T-34. Even India are regretting their decision on keeping relics on reserve.

 

[Carlosa]

That means you waste valuable resources on a vehicle that are clearly obsolete even by cold war standard. Modern AT-Rifle can even penetrate T-34. Even India are regretting their decision on keeping relics on reserve.

Maybe wasting for Indonesia standards, but not for Vietnam's way of fighting.
Lots of modern APC / IFVs get creamed with modern infantry weapons, so? Are you going to retire everything that has some vulnerability? Then how much are you going to have left? There are lots of different types of uses for old equipment. Indonesia doesn't want them? Send them to Vietnam, they'll take them. No problem.

Do you think a shell from an old gun kills more gently than from a modern gun?

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Battleship is a relic of the past like Cavalry. Naval combat are now decided by missiles not cannon. We even slowly replacing our 30mm cannon on our Kapten Pattimura ship for a CIWS.

You shouldn't be proud of maintaining a T-34. In Iran-Iraq war Saddam's collection of Russian Tanks lost to a western tank like the Centurion & Challenger.

Why battleship is relic? Did Baath party felt differently when they received Tomahawk from USS Missouri ?

That means you waste valuable resources on a vehicle that are clearly obsolete even by cold war standard. Modern AT-Rifle can even penetrate T-34. Even India are regretting their decision on keeping relics on reserve.

T-34 in Indian war reserves?

Only tanks that are in Indian war reserves are T-55 and Vickers. Also China, Pakistan and many other country also use Type 59 in active duty, that are not even in war reserves.

That means you waste valuable resources on a vehicle that are clearly obsolete even by cold war standard. Modern AT-Rifle can even penetrate T-34. Even India are regretting their decision on keeping relics on reserve.

Also reserves means for worst case scenario.

They are not repaired constantly.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Maybe wasting for Indonesia standards, but not for Vietnam's way of fighting.
Lots of modern APC / IFVs get creamed with modern infantry weapons, so? Are you going to retire everything that has some vulnerability? Then how much are you going to have left? There are lots of different types of uses for old equipment. Indonesia doesn't want them? Send them to Vietnam, they'll take them. No problem.

Do you think a shell from an old gun kills more gently than from a modern gun?

1. False Equivalencies. We're not talking about contemporary tanks or earlier we're talking about a tank from WW2. The problems with the T-34 is they don't have any place on the modern battlefield. Any job a T-34 can do an IFV can do better. Like the BMP.

Case example:We do not retire our AMX-13 because it still have a use as a tank destroyer and as SPH. A T-34 going up against AMX-13 is just signing their deathwish.