Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Even people in Vietnam call each other as viet kong this viet kong that. What's wrong with that? Even American textbooks use the term viet kong.

Not true and is insulting to call ALL vietnamese as viet cong.

 

[BoQ77]

Not true and is insulting to call ALL vietnamese as viet cong.

American aim to different wing when using "V.C."
Nowaday US media never use that, because it's incorrect and cause audience to confuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong

 

[Silent Knight]

what Vn army had right now is no better than what Cambodia had, older model of grad, t54, t34, btr 60, d30, m113 and other relics. The differences is Vietnam air def system is really good

You're partially correct.

Air Force and Navy were the focus of modernization in the last 15-20 years, so the Ground Force had to wait until this year for their turn in modernization. But saying that our equipment is no better than Cambodian ones is very unlikely, as Vietnam still develops and fields domestic upgrade programs for ground-based weapons.

The latest official upgrades for them included a new generation night visions for T-54/55 MBT and electro-optical station for AA guns. These are indigenous R&D programs.

 

[Carlosa]

You're partially correct.

Air Force and Navy were the focus of modernization in the last 15-20 years, so the Ground Force had to wait until this year for their turn in modernization. But saying that our equipment is no better than Cambodian ones is very unlikely, as Vietnam still develops and fields domestic upgrade programs for ground-based weapons.

The latest official upgrades for them included a new generation night visions for T-54/55 MBT and electro-optical station for AA guns. These are indigenous R&D programs.

She is saying that because she wishes that it would be that way.

Just to give you some background since you are new in the forum, she is an ultra nationalistic Indonesian that dislikes (putting it mildly) Vietnam and Vietnamese, so she uses every opportunity that she can find to put Vietnam down. She tries to hide it, but thats what it is, we already know her quite well here.

 

[Viet]

Even people in Vietnam call each other as viet kong this viet kong that. What's wrong with that? Even American textbooks use the term viet kong.

I know King Kong from a cinema film, and a new version was made, with scenes being shot in Vietnam recently. But viet Kong? With "k"?

I suggest you stop here and return to topic. Nobody in Vietnam calls each other in such way. Because in doing so, you will risk receiving a fist in the face.

She is saying that because she wishes that it would be that way.

Just to give you some background since you are new in the forum, she is an ultra nationalistic Indonesian that dislikes (putting it mildly) Vietnam and Vietnamese, so she uses every opportunity that she can find to put Vietnam down. She tries to hide it, but thats what it is, we already know her quite well here.

she is very upset now.

I posted here once an article from Russia (Sputnik), praising the Vietnamese military is one of a few global forces that could threaten China in a conventional war. She might have read it, because the article failed to mention Indonesia

 

[xiao qi]

Not true and is insulting to call ALL vietnamese as viet cong.

Yes,i feel embarrassed when someone calls me as " Vietcong" Vietcong is the term to indicate Vietnamese communist.In Vietnam, have only 3 million among 90 population, 87 million are not like me

the discussion should start when Vietnam T 90 is truly acquired or the deal had closed. I ve heard the rumours since decade but nothing materialized

How do you think between Viet and Thailand military, Who is stronger than?

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Again, this is an international forum, not Vietnamese forum where gossip and hearsay are proof of the existence of a tank. People in here don't have to prove that viet kong don't have a tank; it is viet kong who has to prove that they have a tank if viet kong youths want people to take them seriously in an international forum like this. Until now, viet kong army is the most backward and weakest in southeast asia; viet kong does not even have any modern ATGM either. Even ISIS can defeat viet kong with ease; just look at how the Syrian army with all sort of t-72 and still loose.

If you have any problem with the post, then report it, why not you doing so?

Or you writing a Ph.D thesis quoting PDF forum?

She might have read it, because the article failed to mention Indonesia

When the last time Indonesia fought any battle? Or some theater level military exercise? Answer is pretty clear.

what Vn army had right now is no better than what Cambodia had, older model of grad, t54, t34, btr 60, d30, m113 and other relics. The differences is Vietnam air def system is really good

Are you serious?

Please tell me Tailand using which DPSA aircraft, which high tech frigates and submarines they using?

Dont tell us you considering aircraft carrier, that is without CBG. Or you considered T-84 Oplot M will win the war in age of combined air-land-sea campaigns?

@Carlosa

Check this video how much these moron Thai officers acting like and laughing on Indian Army's high altitude war fighting capabilities. I am shocked that these are officers from professional army.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa

Check this video how much these moron Thai officers acting like and laughing on Indian Army's high altitude war fighting capabilities. I am shocked that these are officers from professional army.

I used to live in Thailand for a number of years. I know very well how professional the Thai army is, they are very professional when it comes to killing protesters or Cambodians sneaking through the border looking for work, other than that, they are useless.

Even tiny Laos repelled a Thai invasion. The Cambodians are actually better soldiers even that they hardly have any hardware.

They are a joke, totally corrupted. The aircraft carrier that doesn't have any aircraft is used as a public attraction, like a museum for people to visit.

I used to have a friend in Thailand, former US army, he was doing maintenance work for American equipment in the Thai army, he had lots of horror stories to say about them.

Now they are going to buy chinese submarines so that they can say "we have them too", never mind that the gulf of Thailand is no more than 50-60 meters deep.

 

[Bennedict]

When the last time Indonesia fought any battle? Or some theater level military exercise? Answer is pretty clear.

2016 major exercises:
-RIMPAC 2016 (Multilateral)
-Garuda Shield Exercise (US-Indonesia, yearly)
-Carat 2016 (Multilateral
- Latihan Marinir Terpadu/Marine Corps exercise (yearly)
- Malindo Dasarsa 2016 (Malaysia-Indonesia)
- Indopura 2016 (Indonesia-Singapore, yearly)
- Exercise Pitch Black 2016 (Multilateral)

For theater level/divisional level we have Combined Arms Exercises (Army-Air force-Navy-Marine Corps) which being held every 1-2 years (15-20.000+ soldies involved)
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ms madoka just pointing out that Vietnam should provide more budget for the ground forces, since you have land border with China. The situation now different than those in I979 when you both using Type 59's and AK's. Their bulk of tanks now consisting of modern Type 96's and ZBD-97(based on BMP-3), which would steamroll anything your army have today.

just my two cents

 

[xiao qi]

If you have any problem with the post, then report it, why not you doing so?



Check this video how much these moron Thai officers acting like and laughing on Indian Army's high altitude war fighting capabilities. I am shocked that these are officers from professional army.

Realy? In border clash between Vietnam and Thailand on Cambodia's border, Vietnamese soldiers loved to chase Thailand's soldiers. When they saw Vietnamese soldiers, they ran quickly and left their commodities..i heard from one Cambodian . oh he said in Utapao. this was attacked by Vietnamese special forces in Vietnam War. http://khmerization.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-khmer-american-army-expert-thai-army.html

I used to live in Thailand for a number of years. I know very well how professional the Thai army is, they are very professional when it comes to killing protesters or Cambodians sneaking through the border looking for work, other than that, they are useless.

Even tiny Laos repelled a Thai invasion. The Cambodians are actually better soldiers even that they hardly have any hardware.

They are a joke, totally corrupted. The aircraft carrier that doesn't have any aircraft is used as a public attraction, like a museum for people to visit.

I used to have a friend in Thailand, former US army, he was doing maintenance work for American equipment in the Thai army, he had lots of horror stories to say about them.

Now they are going to buy chinese submarines so that they can say "we have them too", never mind that the gulf of Thailand is no more than 50-60 meters deep.

until now i don't understand why did Thailand buy a useless aircraft? lol

 

[Farhan Bohra]

2016 major exercises:
-RIMPAC 2016 (Multilateral)
-Garuda Shield Exercise (US-Indonesia, yearly)
-Carat 2016 (Multilateral
- Latihan Marinir Terpadu/Marine Corps exercise (yearly)
- Malindo Dasarsa 2016 (Malaysia-Indonesia)
- Indopura 2016 (Indonesia-Singapore, yearly)
- Exercise Pitch Black 2016 (Multilateral)

From when bilateral exercises become doctrine and war-fighting exercises?

For theater level/divisional level we have Combined Arms Exercises (Army-Air force-Navy-Marine Corps) which being held every 1-2 years (15-20.000+ soldies involved)
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Please give a link, I want to see when the last time Indonesia done a Division level exercise, leave alone theater level which involve a whole corp.

ms madoka just pointing out that Vietnam should provide more budget for the ground forces, since you have land border with China.

just my two cents

But Vietnam already bought hunter-killer T-90 MS.

The situation now different than those in I979 when you both using Type 59's and AK's. Their bulk of tanks now consisting of modern Type 96's and ZBD-97(based on BMP-3), which would steamroll anything your army have today.

My Army? What interest Indian Army have in Thailand?

BTW, how they steamroll Indian Army, by invading Burma. Are you crazy? Or dont know geography of earth?

 

[Carlosa]

No need to make this into an Indonesia vs Vietnam thing, there are no problems between the 2 countries and there is no issues with most Indonesian members, the issues are mainly with 2 of them, the sis and the one with the avatar of a cat, those are the ones that we have issues with, other than them, no problems.

until now i don't understand why did Thailand buy a useless aircraft? lol

Its very easy to understand if you understand Thai psychology, something that you learn easily when you live there.

They love to show off, so having the only aircraft carrier in ASEAN is a big plus for their ego.
Not having subs when others do is losing face, so that's why they want to buy them.
That's how they think and operate.

Realy? In border clash between Vietnam and Thailand on Cambodia's border, Vietnamese soldiers loved to chase Thailand's soldiers. When they saw Vietnamese soldiers, they ran quickly and left their commodities..i heard from one Cambodian . oh he said in Utapao. this was attacked by Vietnamese special forces in Vietnam War. http://khmerization.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-khmer-american-army-expert-thai-army.htmll

That is correct, running is what they do best when facing vietnamese forces, even if they had better hardware.

 

[xiao qi]

No need to make this into an Indonesia vs Vietnam thing, there are no problems between the 2 countries and there is no issues with most Indonesian members, the issues are mainly with 2 of them, the sis and the one with the avatar of a cat, those are the ones that we have issues with, other than them, no problems.



Its very easy to understand if you understand Thai psychology, something that you learn easily when you live there.

They love to show off, so having the only aircraft carrier in ASEAN is a big plus for their ego.
Not having subs when others do is losing face, so that's why they want to buy them.
That's how they think and operate.

nothing to say

 

[Carlosa]

My Army? What interest Indian Army have in Thailand?

BTW, how they steamroll Indian Army, by invading Burma. Are you crazy? Or dont know geography of earth?

He is talking China vs Vietnam, not India.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Again, this is an international forum, not Vietnamese forum where gossip and hearsay are proof of the existence of a tank. People in here don't have to prove that viet kong don't have a tank; it is viet kong who has to prove that they have a tank if viet kong youths want people to take them seriously in an international forum like this. Until now, viet kong army is the most backward and weakest in southeast asia; viet kong does not even have any modern ATGM either. Even ISIS can defeat viet kong with ease; just look at how the Syrian army with all sort of t-72 and still loose.

Well i guess your face is made of something that rather strong.

First, you claim this in an internal forum and require "professionalism" , Yet you keep calling VN and VN army as "Vietkong" ? That term is insulting to Vietnamese no matter what region you are in. Its like you keep insulting people and demand a "right attitude" here. NOT a single soul in here or in real life call each other "viet kong". We dont called you "Đồ 3 que đu càng" or "Ngụy con té càng" here so the next time you mention "viet kong", i will start refering you as the above so you better drop it. But in the rare case that you are not Vietnamese, i will come up to something to make sure that you get what you deserve for that pathetic and retarded behaviors of your.

Second, T-90 rumors. Military equipment states are usually more of a guess through circumstances evidences than concrete proof. Are North Korea and Iran are nuclear - armed countries with credible means to deliver them? You can called 999 "professional" analyzers around the globe and still cant come to a 100% conclusion. That is why we have forums. People can debate all they want as long as the its not switch to inter personal insult. You dont argue with Asians while calling them "ching chong". Same can be said with Vietnamese and "viet kong"

Third, VN army status. "Weakest in Souteast asia" ? Pfff, you make me laugh. What do you want ? AT-5 ? RPG-29 ? those are not enough to punch holes in tanks ? Arab Saudi M1 Abrams are being blow up in Yemen by the above weapons. An Army strength not just show by parades and pictures. Of course we are not claiming that we cant defeat jet with bamboo but we sure have enough modern MANPADSs to do the job. Same can be said a bout VN land force. You havent spend a single days in VN Army so its fcking stupid to proclaim a nation military strength. And if you thought that you are "proficient" in military tactics, drop by to Cali and teach your fellow "Three stripe on a yellow toilet paper" how to fight.

Moving on. Vietnam is considering an increase contribution to the UN force. We have only sent a small force consist of communication personnel and pioneer. But a field medic team will soon be assemble with probably up to a few hundreds man. We will mainly work with Sweden and Indian force.