Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Is Vietnam going for the spyder confirmed?

SPYDER is already operational, the first unit is based in Hanoi.

Ms. mado will be more depressed if she knows Indonesia Leopard 2/A4 tank has no chance in a direct encounter with T-90MS. while the Russian tank would blow up the Leo after piercing through its armor like a hot sharp knife through butter, the Leo could only scratch and damage the T90´s armor a bit

Only the modernized model Leopard 2/A7 with new longer cannon, new armor piercing shells, can take on T-90. and Germany as the backbone of the NATO, the frontrunner with the strongest land army has the task to stop a potential russian invasion, currently has 22 Leopard 2/A7. the rest is Leopard 2 in A5 and A6 series. Amazing.

http://www.welt.de/print/wams/article140089405/Panzer-ohne-Power.html

@Carlosa


I believe the picture shows Russia famous elite tank division, having the glorious task to defend Moscow

Germany went from having the largest and best tank force in western Europe (several thousands) to only a few hundreds now. I believe that's call unilateral disarmament.

i am looking at your history post, and i know you are one of few who always said something with credible sources and know how behind the scenes.

this pic had more value than some random upper sides of unknown tank

And the thing is, he can't actually say what he knows and the same goes for everybody that actually know. That's just the way it is in the Vietnamese Army. I also don't like it, but that's the way it is.

 

[Silent Knight]

And the thing is, he can't actually say what he knows and the same goes for everybody that actually know. That's just the way it is in the Vietnamese Army. I also don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Carlosa lives in Vietnam, so he knows the power of a little organization which is affectionally called the "Department of Green Tea", also known as the C2 General Department.

Therefore, most of the Vietnamese military news are speculations, rumors and unconfirmed reports. It has changed in recent years to be more open and transparent, but the principal remains.

 

[Viet]

Carlosa lives in Vietnam, so he knows the power of a little organization which is affectionally called the "Department of Green Tea", also known as the C2 General Department.

Therefore, most of the Vietnamese military news are speculations, rumors and unconfirmed reports. It has changed in recent years to be more open and transparent, but the principal remains.

department of green tea?

Honestly speaking, I would wish the army to be more open to openess. Surely we mustn't reveal everything, but obvious things shall not be kept secret. We can save time and resource for more necessary things. I am not talking on the concept of deception nor deterrence, because it would go too far. Not only because we will begin to shout at each other. Anyway I accept thing as it is.

 

[Viet]

Germany went from having the largest and best tank force in western Europe (several thousands) to only a few hundreds now. I believe that's call unilateral disarmament.
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Germany today is surrounded by friendly countries, hence no need to maintain 2,000 tanks, it had during the cold war. Poland and the Baltic states would be the first that bear the brunt should Russia unleash firepower. I believe, without China threat we need no more tanks than Germany. 2 panzer divisions would be enough.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Vãi cả cục trà xanh :v

But yeah, the state of the army equipments must be kept secret. That is a normal routine. We got Scud like several decades ago and only got firm proof of them recently.

About tanks and armored vehicle, i prefer extra investment on anti - tank warfare though. With such limited budget, i say we keep an adaquate number of tank and go full throttle on ATGM and personal anti tank equipments........at least that what i think :v

 

[Silent Knight]

department of green tea?

Honestly speaking, I would wish the army to be more open to openess. Surely we mustn't reveal everything, but obvious things shall not be kept secret. We can save time and resource for more necessary things. I am not talking on the concept of deception nor deterrence, because it would go too far. Not only because we will begin to shout at each other. Anyway I accept thing as it is.

I take that you don't live in Vietnam, as you're unfamiliar with slangs and codename like that. C2 is a brand of bottled green tea in Vietnam, it also stands for "Cục 2" or "Tổng cục 2", a.k.a the General Department of Military Intelligence. Therefore, when folks say "you're gonna have some green tea" or "you're gonna have to drink some tea", that means the Intelligence people would like to have a chat with you.

And yes, the Armed Forces have been pretty open about their equipment and weapons in the last 10 years. You can observe the Su-30MK2V fighters, Gepard frigate, Kilo subs... on every newspapers all the time, not just some blurry photos on a small forum like in early 2000s.

About tanks and armored vehicle, i prefer extra investment on anti - tank warfare though. With such limited budget, i say we keep an adaquate number of tank and go full throttle on ATGM and personal anti tank equipments........at least that what i think :v

ATGM won't solve all problems on the battlefield. You need MBT to cover infantry and light armored vehicles during offensive operations, as well as the defense of choke points. ATGM is great, but it's not invincible and definitely not suit for all roles.

 

[Viet]

I take that you don't live in Vietnam, as you're unfamiliar with slangs and codename like that. C2 is a brand of bottled green tea in Vietnam, it also stands for "Cục 2" or "Tổng cục 2", a.k.a the General Department of Military Intelligence. Therefore, when folks say "you're gonna have some green tea" or "you're gonna have to drink some tea", that means the Intelligence people would like to have a chat with you.

And yes, the Armed Forces have been pretty open about their equipment and weapons in the last 10 years. You can observe the Su-30MK2V fighters, Gepard frigate, Kilo subs... on every newspapers all the time, not just some blurry photos on a small forum like in early 2000s.

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Oh thanks for the explanation. Interesting. linking green tea with military intel. Oh man I think you expect too much from a viet kieu that he knows it. Actually I am a heavy coffee drinker.

Changing topic. May I ask what are our expectations on India PM Modi visit to Vietnam? What expectations of India in Vietnam? Will we see something that will surprise us?

 

[Carlosa]

Germany today is surrounded by friendly countries, hence no need to maintain 2,000 tanks, it had during the cold war. Poland and the Baltic states would be the first that bear the brunt should Russia unleash firepower. I believe, without China threat we need no more tanks than Germany. 2 panzer divisions would be enough.

There is a Russian Tank Army being formed again near the border with NATO. A formation like that with all the combined arms support can roll over Western Europe and not stop until it reached the Atlantic.
You understand the Russian concept of a "Tank Army", right?

Russia Defense Report - Feb. 17, 2016: 1st Guards Tank Army

I needed a break. Thanks.

In respect of T-72/90, I would like to see more pictures of the tanks, having them in exercises. Don't understand our people, why there is a need to hide the tanks, considering that is impossible to hide them before spy satellites and other means on the ground. Besides maintaining a credible deterrent includes showing what you have, reminding our potential opponents what price will have to pay.

Ok anyway. Has anyone read the recent news?

Vietnam artillery Corps recently staged an exercise with Bastion-P (Yakhont) antiship missile. The heavy weight supersonic missile can hit a destroyer in 300 km away with high accuracy and sink it with one hit. The exercise shows the Yakhont was shipped and brought to an island. I think the author wants to demonstrate our ability or possibility to bring the system to the Spratly islands.

And maybe a coincidence, Russia media posted a news, Vietnam receives the third Yakhont battery. I may look for more news to confirm.

I think it makes sense to deploy a Yakhont battery to a large island like Con Dao that is already 185 km from the coast. A radius of 300 km range from Con Dao almost reaches the Spratlys. That would be an effective way to extend the reach of the Yakhont batteries in the mainland.

 

[Silent Knight]

Oh thanks for the explanation. Interesting. linking green tea with military intel. Oh man I think you expect too much from a viet kieu that he knows it. Actually I am a heavy coffee drinker.

Changing topic. May I ask what are our expectations on India PM Modi visit to Vietnam? What expectations of India in Vietnam? Will we see something that will surprise us?

Green tea is abundant in authority offices. So when you get to any office for business or meetings, you'd be greet with a small cup of green tea. So people often joke that you'll get some green tea to drink when the authority summon you, no matters how good or bad the situation is.

About the Indian PM, we expect that the BrahMos deal will be finalized and signed during his visit. Most of the negotiations has concluded as of now.

 

[Carlosa]

About the Indian PM, we expect that the BrahMos deal will be finalized and signed during his visit. Most of the negotiations has concluded as of now.

Only Brahmos?

 

[Silent Knight]

Only Brahmos?

That's what they said, I'm not sure.

But no Prithvi missiles obviously.

 

[Carlosa]

That's what they said, I'm not sure.

But no Prithvi missiles obviously.

I would not mind some Agni missiles though.

 

[Nilgiri]

I would not mind some Agni missiles though.

Baby steps my friend. As the relationship grows and matures...there is no boundary to what will be made available to Vietnam.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

That's what they said, I'm not sure.

But no Prithvi missiles obviously.

Prithvi missile is retired, most probably India offer to sell Prahaar, Agni 4 and Nirbhay.

But even if those systems sold to Vietnam, that remain top secret. So, don't expect a proper disclosure of Modi visit.

 

[Silent Knight]

Prithvi missile is retired, most probably India offer to sell Prahaar, Agni 4 and Nirbhay.

But even if those systems sold to Vietnam, that remain top secret. So, don't expect a proper disclosure of Modi visit.

Most of Vietnamese newspaper still refer to the Prithvi and not Agni or others.

I don't think that Vietnam would buy Indian ballistic missiles. A deal with the Russian (Iskander-E) or Israeli (LORA) is more realistic.