Vietnam Defence Forum

[cnleio]

Am I wrong or Mr Obama did not mention a word on lifting weapons embargo?

Well i never read any news before showed U.S allow West weapons export to any Communist countries, whatever Vietnamese,Russian, Chinese, Korean, Cuban they were or ever Communist. They do not trust & like Communist country. U can change urself or They can help u to change urself.

 

[Soryu]

Am I wrong or Mr Obama did not mention a word on lifting weapons embargo?

It'll need time before USA can do that.
Vietnam leader was just met China Leader, and now, was greeting by USA leader, it'll not so fast. We signed to establish comprehensive partnership, and I believe, after we completed TPP, tightening our benefits, we can have a all-equally relationship.

 

[visom]

There's still some tension with Obama and Vietnam's government. Obama was planning on not fully opening trades with Vietnam due to its government's treatment of people rebelling against the communist party.

 

[Rechoice]

join to TPP is good for Vietnam.

 

[ViXuyen]

My thinking is that the U.S does not care about human rights and democrap problem in Viet Nam; the main reason is the U.S does not trust Viet Nam even after 18 years or normalization.

Now, even if the U.S ends the arms embargo; the U.S might not trust Viet Nam enough to offer Viet Nam technology licensing to produce U.S weapon like F-16. In a scenario like that, Viet Nam is back to square one because what the U.S offers in an arms deal is nothing better in value than the Russian offer Viet Nam.

Don't count too much on the U.S putting an end to the arms ambargo. I have more hope on Viet Nam being able to produce radar, sonar, MALE UAV, anti-ship missile, SAM in the next 10 years than any fruitful military cooperation between U.S and Viet Nam in the next 20 years.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

It'll need time before USA can do that.
Vietnam leader was just met China Leader, and now, was greeting by USA leader, it'll not so fast. We signed to establish comprehensive partnership, and I believe, after we completed TPP, tightening our benefits, we can have a all-equally relationship.

How is your negotiation of TPP? Well, a complete equal relationship seems far away, though Vietnam participates TPP, unless Vietnam's competitiveness of domestic market is strong enough to fight against Japan, Australia in this TPP. I checked Vietnam's export structure, like China 10 years ago, mainly of which are primary product.

As far as I know, TPP was first established by Brunei, New Zealand, Chile and Singapore. As US's participation, it started to have extensive influences ever since. Why does not ASEAN as an entire unit to join in? Maybe you will get more negotiable strength and support.

Really, Japan's participation in TPP will affect China's international export market.

My thinking is that the U.S does not care about human rights and democrap problem in Viet Nam; the main reason is the U.S does not trust Viet Nam even after 18 years or normalization.

Now, even if the U.S ends the arms embargo; the U.S might not trust Viet Nam enough to offer Viet Nam technology licensing to produce U.S weapon like F-16. In a scenario like that, Viet Nam is back to square one because what the U.S offers in an arms deal is nothing better in value than the Russian offer Viet Nam.

Don't count too much on the U.S putting an end to the arms ambargo. I have more hope on Viet Nam being able to produce radar, sonar, MALE UAV, anti-ship missile, SAM in the next 10 years than any fruitful military cooperation between U.S and Viet Nam in the next 20 years.

Vietnam has arms embargo too??...

 

[Viet]

How is your negotiation of TPP? Well, a complete equal relationship seems far away, though Vietnam participates TPP, unless Vietnam's competitiveness of domestic market is strong enough to fight against Japan, Australia in this TPP. I checked Vietnam's export structure, like China 10 years ago, mainly of which are primary product.

As far as I know, TPP was first established by Brunei, New Zealand, Chile and Singapore. As US's participation, it started to have extensive influences ever since. Why does not ASEAN as an entire unit to join in? Maybe you will get more negotiable strength and support.

Really, Japan's participation in TPP will affect China's international export market.

The U.S. uses TPP as a tool for her plan of economic hegemony in Asia, competing with Chinese influence. Actually it is a power play between America and China. Vietnamese economy is too small to make any impact.

Vietnam has arms embargo too??...

yes, uncle Sam holds arms embargo since the end of the US-Vietnam war. In public, they demand Vietnam to improve human rights first before embargo can be lifted. In secret talks, many believe they urge Vietnam to side in an alliance against China. That is something Vietnam is not willing to do.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

The U.S. uses TPP as a tool for her plan of economic hegemony in Asia, competing with Chinese influence. Actually it is a power play between America and China. Vietnamese economy is too small to make any impact.

Correct. But China is still on the weaker side against US in economic fields. So far, I havn't seen detailed plan or procedures to be implemented in this TPP group. I seriously doubt that if TPP really has such wide influence, or it is just a fragile framework. It could be very hard to have coordination and discuss among countries in different regions and levels, let alone a “all win” consensus. So finally it would be a unconsolidated organization. Viet's model should be Taiwan, South Korea that insist an independent economic policy, do not rely on any other country except the huge international market. Cooperation is based on an equal position with competitive market strength. Only you are strong, there is equal opportunity for you.

yes, uncle Sam holds arms embargo since the end of the US-Vietnam war. In public, they demand Vietnam to improve human rights first before embargo can be lifted. In secret talks, many believe they urge Vietnam to side in an alliance against China. That is something Vietnam is not willing to do.

Human rights, old excuse, no surprise.

 

[Viet]

Correct. But China is still on the weaker side against US in economic fields. So far, I havn't seen detailed plan or procedures to be implemented in this TPP group. I seriously doubt that if TPP really has such wide influence, or it is just a fragile framework. It could be very hard to have coordination and discuss among countries in different regions and levels, let alone a “all win” consensus. So finally it would be a unconsolidated organization.

Viet's model should be Taiwan, South Korea that insist an independent economic policy, do not rely on any other country except the huge international market. Cooperation is based on an equal position with competitive market strength. Only you are strong, there is equal opportunity for you.

we will see how TPP develops. Vietnam hopes on more investments from America. In talk with Mr Obama in Washington, Vietnamese leadership has agreed to accelerate current negotiations of the Trans-Pacific Agreement (TPP) due to be completed by the year’s end.

You are right, Taiwan, South Korea (and Singapore) serve as a economic model for Vietnam.

Human rights, old excuse, no surprise.

You see that Vietnam foreign policy is very reasonable and well-balanced towards China. China should act reasonable and balanced towards Vietnam, too.

 

[Minjitta]

we will see how TPP develops. Vietnam hopes on more investments from America. In talk with Mr Obama in Washington, Vietnamese leadership has agreed to accelerate current negotiations of the Trans-Pacific Agreement (TPP) due to be completed by the year’s end.

You are right, Taiwan, South Korea (and Singapore) serve as a economic model for Vietnam.

You see that Vietnam foreign policy is very reasonable and well-balanced towards China. China should act reasonable and balanced towards Vietnam, too.

Wishful thinking, Vietnam is in a different situation then China Vietnam have to have balance her policy toward China, but knowing China with her bully attitude, China will not act reasonable toward Vietnam. In another words China dont respect Vietnam. Vietnam needed to find multiple ways to balance herself, then find ways to move away from China influence without force from other interest.

 

[EastSea]

It's interessant that Mr. Sang handed the copy of Letter HoChi Minh adressed to US president 1946 after Vietnam regained his Independence from France Colonie.

I think we (all Vietnamese with different policy opinions) have to learn more lessons from our history from time of Nguyen Dynasty until now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Wishful thinking, Vietnam is in a different situation then China Vietnam have to have balance her policy toward China, but knowing China with her bully attitude, China will not act reasonable toward Vietnam. In another words China dont respect Vietnam. Vietnam needed to find multiple ways to balance herself, then find ways to move away from China influence without force from other interest.

We do respect your government sometimes, at least they know where is their true position, while you Viet trolls are just laughing stock that we can spend some time to toy with you guys.

 

[EastSea]

We do respect your government sometimes, at least they know where is their true position, while you Viet trolls are just laughing stock that we can spend some time to toy with you guys.

What kind of position you like to such regime ? puppet ?

 

[Minjitta]

We do respect your government sometimes, at least they know where is their true position, while you Viet trolls are just laughing stock that we can spend some time to toy with you guys.

Sometimes what the hell is sometimes, ok then, sometimes Vietnam consider your respect LOL other time we dont.
Tell me when your government respected Vietnam? All the news paper in Vietnam point that your government still continue bully Vietnam. when China get our of SCS and return all those Island China take in 78' and 88' then we might consider China respect Vietnam, as for now there are no respect from China, and Vietnam will proceed her policy toward China in that position.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sometimes what the hell is sometimes, ok then, sometimes Vietnam consider your respect LOL other time we dont.
Tell me when your government respected Vietnam? All the news paper in Vietnam point that your government still continue bully Vietnam. when China get our of SCS and return all those Island China take in 78' and 88' then we might consider China respect Vietnam, as for now there are no respect from China, and Vietnam will proceed her policy toward China in that position.

We don't need your respect, we are only doing the good thing for our national sovereignty.

Like or not, it is your problem.