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@Indos
@Nike

If Vietnam participates the program, the airforce can buy 100 pieces.



50 million USD a yet sounds Ok.

Tại triển lãm quốc phòng ADEX 2019 hiện đang diễn ra ở Hàn Quốc, phái đoàn Việt Nam đã tỏ ra rất quan tâm tới chiến đấu cơ thế hệ năm đang được nước bạn phát triển. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Đây là loại tiêm kích thế hệ năm mang tên KF-X do Hàn Quốc tự nghiên cứu và hoàn thiện. Tuy nhiên phiên bản được trưng bày tại triển lãm chỉ là mô hình với tỷ lệ 1:1 và không thể bay được. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

KF-X hay còn có tên gọi khác là IA IF-X là loại chiến đấu cơ thế hệ thứ năm, được Hàn Quốc và Indonesia hợp tác nghiên cứu và phát triển từ năm 2010 và tới nay đã hoàn thiện giai đoạn đầu. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Loại chiến đấu cơ này được hứa hẹn sẽ có khả năng tàng hình ngang với tiêm kích F-35, được Hàn Quốc và Indonesia dự kiến bán với giá 50 triệu USD mỗi chiếc và sẽ bắt đầu được trực chiến từ năm 2025. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Có giá dự kiến khoảng 50 triệu USD cho mỗi chiếc, đây hứa hẹn là một dự án cực kỳ tiềm năng. Theo kế hoạch, năm 2021 bản thử nghiệm đầu tiên của tiêm kích KF-X sẽ được ra đời, năm 2022 sẽ bay thử chuyến đầu tiên và tới năm 2032, ít nhất 120 chiếc sẽ được ra đời. Phái đoàn quân sự cấp cao Việt Nam đã quan sát kỹ chiếc tiêm kích đặc biệt trên và được phía bạn giới thiệu chi tiết về tính năng kỹ chiến thuật của chiếc tiêm kích này. Tuy nhiên để tiến tới đặt mua thì vẫn còn một chặng đường dài khi đối thủ của KF-X là Su-57 tỏ ra quá mạnh.Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

 

[Nike]

@Indos
@Nike

If Vietnam participates the program, the airforce can buy 100 pieces.



50 million USD a yet sounds Ok.

Tại triển lãm quốc phòng ADEX 2019 hiện đang diễn ra ở Hàn Quốc, phái đoàn Việt Nam đã tỏ ra rất quan tâm tới chiến đấu cơ thế hệ năm đang được nước bạn phát triển. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Đây là loại tiêm kích thế hệ năm mang tên KF-X do Hàn Quốc tự nghiên cứu và hoàn thiện. Tuy nhiên phiên bản được trưng bày tại triển lãm chỉ là mô hình với tỷ lệ 1:1 và không thể bay được. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

KF-X hay còn có tên gọi khác là IA IF-X là loại chiến đấu cơ thế hệ thứ năm, được Hàn Quốc và Indonesia hợp tác nghiên cứu và phát triển từ năm 2010 và tới nay đã hoàn thiện giai đoạn đầu. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Loại chiến đấu cơ này được hứa hẹn sẽ có khả năng tàng hình ngang với tiêm kích F-35, được Hàn Quốc và Indonesia dự kiến bán với giá 50 triệu USD mỗi chiếc và sẽ bắt đầu được trực chiến từ năm 2025. Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

Có giá dự kiến khoảng 50 triệu USD cho mỗi chiếc, đây hứa hẹn là một dự án cực kỳ tiềm năng. Theo kế hoạch, năm 2021 bản thử nghiệm đầu tiên của tiêm kích KF-X sẽ được ra đời, năm 2022 sẽ bay thử chuyến đầu tiên và tới năm 2032, ít nhất 120 chiếc sẽ được ra đời. Phái đoàn quân sự cấp cao Việt Nam đã quan sát kỹ chiếc tiêm kích đặc biệt trên và được phía bạn giới thiệu chi tiết về tính năng kỹ chiến thuật của chiếc tiêm kích này. Tuy nhiên để tiến tới đặt mua thì vẫn còn một chặng đường dài khi đối thủ của KF-X là Su-57 tỏ ra quá mạnh.Nguồn ảnh: Sina.

50 million? From where your sources? Dont make hoax

 

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50 million? From where your sources? Dont make hoax

The sum is mentioned in the article!


Có giá dự kiến khoảng 50 triệu USD cho mỗi chiếc.

 

[Nike]

The sum is mentioned in the article!


Có giá dự kiến khoảng 50 triệu USD cho mỗi chiếc.

LoL even The first prototype still not finished, your media already talking the final prices. In Korea or Indonesia we are not talking about the prices, but research funding.

 

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LoL even The first prototype still not finished, your media already talking the final prices. In Korea or Indonesia we are not talking about the prices, but research funding.

That’s estimated price, sis, certainly probably not the final price when delivering to customers. Consider this: the more jets are produced the lower the price. See F35. Vietnam participation makes sense.

 

[Indos]

@Indos
@Nike


If Vietnam could participate the program, the airforce would buy 100 pieces.



50 million USD a yet sounds Ok.

Glad to see Vietnam showing interest on the plane. I guess you only have two option to challenge Chinese J 20, whether you choose Su 57 or KFX (if the program is success). South Korea is indeed looking another partner as Indonesia seems to decrease its financial contribution. Let's wait for another one to two month to see what is the result of KFX renegotiation.

50 million USD is a price set up during early development of KFX.

 

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Glad to see Vietnam showing interest on the plane. I guess you only have two option to challenge Chinese J 20, whether you choose Su 57 or KFX (if the program is success). South Korea is indeed looking another partner as Indonesia seems to decrease its financial contribution. Let's wait for another one to two month to see what is the result of KFX renegotiation.

50 million USD is a price set up during early development of KFX.

I am for more industrial cooperations in close neighborhoods, with Japan, Korea and certainly Indonesia.
The Koreans have engine parts factories in Vietnam so they can have the parts to be produced en masse. Cheaper. Faster.

Hanwha engine
They make aircraft parts including for fighter jets.

Or
the US engine parts maker Alloy Corps
They make parts for Boeing, Rolls Royce.

Universal Alloy Corporation (Da Nang)

 

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Vietnam signs a contract for a $180 million earth observation satellite.
the sat will be built by Japanese satellite manufacturer NEC and Sumitomo Corp.

Good: it can keep tracks of all activities in the SC sea.

https://spacewatch.global/2019/10/v...-lotusat-1-from-japans-nec-and-sumitomo-corp/

interesting:
Vietnam plans at least two ASNARO satellites and other series of low cost satellites. Japan appears to be willing to transfer the technology so we can make them at low costs.

 

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India will stand firm on oil and gas cooperation with Vietnam: experts
By Viet Anh


https://ampe.vnexpress.net/news/new...cooperation-with-vietnam-experts-4001256.html

Indian Navy soldiers stand ready as their ship approaches Da Nang in central Vietnam for an official visit, May 2018. Photo by VnExpress/Nguyen Dong


India will not reconsider its oil and gas cooperation with Vietnam, said Geeta Kochhar, faculty member of the Center for Chinese and Southeast Asian Studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University.

Kochhar made the judgment in the context of Chinas illegal oil and gas activities in the East Sea, internationally known as the South China Sea, including the deployment of Chinese oil survey vessel Haiyang Dizhi 8 and its escorts to Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone and continental shelf.

"If China really wants to be assertive of not letting India cooperate with Vietnam, I do not think India would accept that and they should not accept that," Kochhar said Tuesday on the sidelines of a conference on Indias relations with neighboring countries held Tuesday in Hanoi by the Vietnam Institute of Indian and Southwest Asian Studies (VIISAS).

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is determined on "not accepting any kind of domination or control by any powers in the region," she said.

She added that the competition in oil and gas cooperation should not be converted into any kind of confrontation, and it is not fair if China has some objections to India’s cooperation with Vietnam because China itself also cooperates with Vietnam and other countries, such as Nepal.

Explaining the consistent policy of India in cooperating with Vietnam, Associate Professor Doctor Om Prakash Dahiya from the Department of Political Science, Zakir Husain Delhi College, University of Delhi, said "Vietnam plays a pivotal role in India’s Look East policy," given its strategic location in the South China Sea.

New Delhi has cooperated with Hanoi in offshore oil exploration in the waters of the South China Sea since 1988 and Indias attention in cooperating with Vietnam in the sea is not merely economic, but for military and security interests as well, said Tien-sze Fang, Associate Professor at the Center for General Education and Deputy Director of the Center for India Studies, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan.

He said it is imperative for India to call for freedom of navigation in the region as around 40 percent of its global trade passes through the South China Sea.

"Chinas militarization of the South China Sea is widely seen as a major roadblock to the open and free Indo-Pacific region and will result in significant changes to the 29 sea lanes of communications passing through the region, trillions of dollars of trade passage, potential energy or fishery resources," Fang said.

In addition to economic concerns, what worries India much more is the geopolitical competition.

If, for Beijing, the Indian Ocean is not an Indias ocean, New Delhis imperative is to contest impressions that the South China Sea is not waters that fall under Chinas control. "Additionally, the South China Sea is the gateway to the Pacific region and the center of the Indo-Pacific region," he added.

Both Fang and Dahiya mentioned the fact that China has more than once requested India and Vietnam to stop their oil and gas cooperation, but it has failed to cut the bonds between the two countries.

Back in 2014, during her visit to Vietnam, Indian External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj said state-owned OVL (ONGC Videsh Limited) would continue its oil exploration and exploitation in accordance with cooperation agreements that India has inked with Vietnam.

The move came after China opposed to the operation of OVL in the East Sea.

On August 2, Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar confirmed that India would like to continue its oil and gas cooperation with Vietnam in the sea in a meeting with his Vietnamese counterpart Pham Binh Minh in Bangkok.

Commenting on the current East Sea situation, Indian Ambassador to Vietnam, Pranay Verma, said New Delhi was seeking to build international connections for peace, stability and prosperity with its neighboring and nearby countries.

"As India strives to become a five trillion-dollar economy in the next five years, it is creating capabilities and demands that present unique opportunities for all of its partners, particularly its neighbors, to build mutually reinforcing stakes for shared prosperity and development," he said.

He also said India has had greater awareness on its due role in the regional and global order, and its willingness to play that role, to be a contributor of ideas and capabilities in the international arena, and to embrace globalism and internationalism at a time when national instincts are increasingly turning inwards.

Vietnam and India established diplomatic relations in 1972.

India, a staunch ally in Vietnams fight for independence and reunification, is also one of Vietnams top trading partners, with two-way trade turnover reaching $10.69 billion last year, double that of 2016, according to the Vietnam Trade Affairs Office in India.

 

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That’s estimated price, sis, certainly probably not the final price when delivering to customers. Consider this: the more jets are produced the lower the price. See F35. Vietnam participation makes sense.

why not buy indonesian shares in kfx, its a win win solution, we need to let go of the project and vietnam wanting to have share in the project, for me KFX/IFX project are not benefiting indonesia, with only 20% shares but have to buy 50-80 plane, we only get to produce wings and tail component, soooo litle "transfer of technology" for us indonesia and with south korea buying 120 plane the production line only for 10 year before it is closed, For me it is more beneficial for indonesia to purchase far more advance F-35 than KFX with similar price range, who knows if we smart and can lobby the american, we could fit in to replace the turkey share in F-35 and can produce parts for F-35, F-35 will replace not just F-16, but also F-18, F-15 and Harrier, thats mean there are order for 6000-7000 F-35 in 40 years span, a very very good business for indonesia if we can replace turkey in F-35 project

 

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why not buy indonesian shares in kfx, its a win win solution, we need to let go of the project and vietnam wanting to have share in the project, for me KFX/IFX project are not benefiting indonesia, with only 20% shares but have to buy 50-80 plane, we only get to produce wings and tail component, soooo litle "transfer of technology" for us indonesia and with south korea buying 120 plane the production line only for 10 year before it is closed, For me it is more beneficial for indonesia to purchase far more advance F-35 than KFX with similar price range, who knows if we smart and can lobby the american, we could fit in to replace the turkey share in F-35 and can produce parts for F-35, F-35 will replace not just F-16, but also F-18, F-15 and Harrier, thats mean there are order for 6000-7000 F-35 in 40 years span, a very very good business for indonesia if we can replace turkey in F-35 project

I think it’s worth Vietnam takes the share if Korea/Indonesia agree and let Vietnam to participate. I read Indonesia wants - in fact - to reduce the fundings to the Kfx program. Probably, I don’t certainly know, you have either financial constraints or doubts on the program or both.

Why not. Vietnam would gain technology that would never become available.

I think the key question is not the money required for the program but whether or not the US would allow Vietnam to participate and allow transfer of technology. The latter is required to make the plane to a affordable level. There are still great resistance in the US Congress that hinders any worthy arms sales to a communist country.

If you take the F35 share of the Turkey, well, that will be a big win for Indonesia. The benefits will be certainly bigger than in the Kfx. Which will be just an inferior version of F35.

 

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@Nike

google earth Bay of Camranh

I only see 4 Kilo at the Bay! so 2 on patrol obviously.

not what you claimed, all 6 are in the Bay because we haven´t money to buy fuels which sounds redicolous.

 

[Nike]

@Nike

google earth Bay of Camranh

I only see 4 Kilo at the Bay! so 2 on patrol obviously.

not what you claimed, all 6 are in the Bay because we haven´t money to buy fuels which sounds redicolous.

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Lol, you can assume them to patrol around cham ran bay

 

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sniper rilfe "WKW Wilk"

weight 16,1 kg, length 1.350 mm, barrel 880 mm, 12,7 x 99 mm standard NATO rounds, range 3,000 m

new Made-in-Vietnam anti stealth radar, based on Belarus Vostok-E RV-01, RV-02 radar

modified version GTAR-21 rifle especially made for the Marines

 

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40 years ago,

3 warships of Italy “Andrea Doria“ „Vittorio Veneto“ and „Stromboli“ left the Port by Juli 1979 heading to the western Pacific. Their mission: rescuing the vietnamese “boat people” in the SC sea. Italy was the only country in the world, that officially came to the rescue. 900 Vietnamese were brought to Italy.

thank you Italy!

Auch Deutschland nahm vor 40 Jahren „Boatpeople“ auf. Italien setzte die eigene Marine zur Rettung ein (dpa / Werner Schilling)