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[sinait]

They are maybe Chinese - Vietnamese, Vietnamese origin people dont understand Chinese language except they were educated

Right, Chu Nom is same as Japanese language. Chinese now, Im not sure they can understand it fully when they read chu nom

Generally Chinese can understand some Japanese by reading Kanji, most mean the same thing. I would think it is the same with Chu Nom.
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[TenLua]

You really need to hit the books, being ignorant is no excuse. I minor in Canadian history, so you shouldn't go there. I live in two cities with a lot of Cantonese speaking Viets and my favorite Vietnamese dish is Banh canh ca loc in Danang. My mom side has Chinese "Nguyen" which in Vietnam is quite different since its amalgamation of different families with Chinese ties. I mainly hangout with Cantonese speaking viets, so I am biased I guess. This is my last post here because this wasn't what I wanted to represent and everybody is taking this out of context.

Ahhh so you major in Canadian ( because Canada has such an oh so extensive history stretching back to ohh....5 years? LOL) history, so you must be able to read, write and speak the language of the Inuit people?

Please, do demonstrate to us your awesomeness. Teach us some Inuit ancient scriptures because if it's coming form you, it must be law. LOLOL

A Canadian history major is telling Vietnamese people their version of history is incorrect....I had no idea Canadian history covered so many land masses. Canadian history must be soooo big that it somehow overlapped with ancient Vietnam and that is why you know soooo much about Vietnamese history am I right? I mean, if you don't agree with it, it must be wrong is that correct? LOLOL

Tell me where you're from oh great keepers of Vietnamese history, tell me all about how the most correct and purest form of Vietnamese history was handed to you from the Gods. tell us how studying Canadian history made you the foremost scholar on Vietnamese history. i await your magnificence.

EDIT: So because you ate a bowl of banh canh ca loc, that gave you a doctorate in Vietnamese history? LMAO

 

[xiao qi]

Carlosa, if you are Viet and you argue with me about perspective of history, I will take it like a man and say it's my perspective and its harsh and judgemental. My argument is exactly what I wrote, Vietnamese today you talk to cannot read historical text and can only go by what their gov't translate for them. Based on what I hear, I hear a lot of hate which you seems vehemently like to argue for. Then let me ask you, how did Dalai Lama, a religious dictator win Nobel Peace Prize from the Danes. God, maybe Dalai should be given Spanish citizenship and see how you will like your new ruler. That's how the French crap on history of Vietnam which you honky wankers like to view hate between two civilizations based on your conversations apparently.

Vietnamese goverment tried to hide some bad things about Vietnam history like Expansion of the South progress, or a Vietnamese legendary general Trần Hưng Đạo raped his girlfriend to take his girl away the other marriage. But the history is history, noone could prevent. The Vietnamese like me know that, so your knowledge about Vietnam is misconception

 

[TenLua]

Vietnamese goverment tried to hide some bad things about Vietnam history like Expansion of the South progress, or a Vietnamese legendary general Trần Hưng Đạo raped his girlfriend to take his girl away the other marriage. But the history is history, noone could prevent. The Vietnamese like me know that, so your knowledge about Vietnam is misconception

Oh really? Let me cross reference this with kfc since he's the keeper of Vietnamese history, he knows ALL about it.

Oi kfc, what say you? Can you tell me where in Canadian history does it say this? LOL

 

[Carlosa]

Ahhh so you major in Canadian ( because Canada has such an oh so extensive history stretching back to ohh....5 years? LOL) history, so you must be able to read, write and speak the language of the Inuit people?

Please, do demonstrate to us your awesomeness. Teach us some Inuit ancient scriptures because if it's coming form you, it must be law. LOLOL

A Canadian history major is telling Vietnamese people their version of history is incorrect....I had no idea Canadian history covered so many land masses. Canadian history must be soooo big that it somehow overlapped with ancient Vietnam and that is why you know soooo much about Vietnamese history am I right? I mean, if you don't agree with it, it must be wrong is that correct? LOLOL

Tell me where you're from oh great keepers of Vietnamese history, tell me all about how the most correct and purest form of Vietnamese history was handed to you from the Gods. tell us how studying Canadian history made you the foremost scholar on Vietnamese history. i await your magnificence.

EDIT: So because you ate a bowl of banh canh ca loc, that gave you a doctorate in Vietnamese history? LMAO

Not just banh canh ca loc, he spent 1.5 months in Danang and hangs out with overseas Viets of chinese origin, so he's an expert on Vietnam and Vietnamese history now. Wow, awesome!!!! Maybe he can also teach me about Spanish history.

 

[TenLua]

Not just banh canh ca loc, he spent 1.5 months in Danang and hangs out with overseas Viets of chinese origin, so he's an expert on Vietnam and Vietnamese history now. Wow, awesome!!!! Maybe he can also teach me about Spanish history.

A whole 1.5 months!!??!! My god, we must bow to him for we are not worthy of his greatness. Teach us oh great kfc, teach us for we know not what our scholars say.

 

[Carlosa]

A whole 1.5 months!!??!! My god, we must bow to him for we are not worthy of his greatness. Teach us oh great kfc, teach us for we know not what our scholars say.

A whole 1.5 months eating banh canh ca loc is not a little thing man, the DNA of the ca loc fish includes all the hidden knowledge of Vietnamese history, so after eating it for 1.5 months, you get a massive infusion of that knowledge and you become enlightened on Vietnamese history, imagine what an accomplish that is, not anybody can do it, awesome!!!!

 

[TenLua]

A whole 1.5 months eating banh canh ca loc is not a little thing man, the DNA of the ca loc fish includes all the hidden knowledge of Vietnamese history, so after eating it for 1.5 months, you get a massive infusion of that knowledge and you become enlightened on Vietnamese history, imagine what an accomplish that is, not anybody can do it, awesome!!!!

LOLOLOLOOLOL

 

[gambit]

EDIT: So because you ate a bowl of banh canh ca loc, that gave you a doctorate in Vietnamese history? LMAO

Ahhh...No, that is only a B.A. Hủ Tiếu is the Ph.D.

 

[Carlosa]

Some pics of the Vietnamese occupied Spratly Islands, many beautiful things there:

 

[ckf]

Ahhh...No, that is only a B.A. Hủ Tiếu is the Ph.D.

I agree, you should just leave it to Viet members.
It all started from Chinese characters with some localization later on. Similarly there are Chinese words that are only used in Hong Kong and Taiwan. In Chinese, it is allowed to add or subtract a radical from a character or combine characters to form a new character word. That is why some Chinese word processors have a character composition feature to compose characters not found in Unicode. For example, they may want to add "water", "wood" or "fire" to an existing character.
I think we better leave this to the experts.
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Vietnam used traditional characters set from the text I saw, chu nom I don't know about. Too many illiterates on this forum.

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam used traditional characters set from the text I saw, chu nom I don't know about. Too many illiterates on this forum.

Right, talking about the Vietnamese alphabet and history and not knowing about chu nom sounds illiterate to me.

 

[Viet]

Vietnam used traditional characters set from the text I saw, chu nom I don't know about. Too many illiterates on this forum.

Amazing discussion. Anyway here my contribution. Correct, Vietnam uses two Chinese character sets: classical alphabet (chu hoa), which was the official language and the derivative (chu nom), which was created to better reflect Vietnamese pronunciations. Imperial exam only required students to master classical Chinese history, texts and literature. Vietnamese officials were required to master both chu hoa and chu nom.

Only the best educated graduates were employed in VN foreign office as they were responsible to maintain communication channel to China.

Today Vietnamese Latin alphabet was first created by the Portuguese, further developed by Vietnamese and the French, but not widely used in the public. it became national language of Vietnam when imperial China imploded under the Qing.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I don't think so. Food safety is something Americans and most developed countries are very keen about. Vietnamese leadership should stop complaining about it and do something about their food safety. Nothing is more dangerous than importing poisonous goods to US borders. Food safety regulations in Vietnam should be in place. Fishing should also be regulated so people don't abuse the water.

Bro, read the news carefully and know the story first,

Vietnam also urged the United States to remove an inspection program for catfish, speed import licenses for its fruit and make fair decisions on anti-dumping and anti-subsidy measures on Vietnamese products, the ministry said.

Bsc our catfish and fruit have much cheaper prices, so US start a so called "inspection" and put anti-dumping and anti-subsidy measures on our fish and fruit making our product more expensive in US. Thats the reason why our PM urged Mr.Trump to make fair decisions on VN products . Nothing related to VN food safety here.

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam's White House lobbying coup secures strategic gains

REUTERS/TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 06/04/2017

When Vietnam's prime minister sat down with President Donald Trump at the White House last week, it reflected a concerted Vietnamese lobbying effort unmatched by most Asian peers.

It also underlined the strategic importance the one-time enemy has secured under Trump in the face of China's increasing regional weight and despite a growing surplus that frustrates U.S. trade hawks.

Among Asian leaders, Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc's reception followed only those for his Japanese and Chinese counterparts.

Fearful it would lose security and business gains made under the Obama administration, Vietnam's lobbying began as soon as Trump was elected.

"We were already calculating options," said Tran Viet Thai, vice head of the country's Institute for Foreign Policy and Strategic Studies, Diplomatic Academy of Vietnam.

Vietnam got a call set up between Phuc and Trump more than a month before he took office.

Helping to spearhead contacts was Vietnam's ambassador in Washington, Pham Quang Vinh, a veteran of successful efforts under the Obama administration to lift an embargo on arms sales. Pham was also instrumental in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact, which Trump ditched - to Vietnam's consternation.

Unlike most Southeast Asian countries, Vietnam retains a Washington lobbying firm - the Podesta Group - which it pays $30,000 a month, according to Justice Department documents.

Both the foreign minister and deputy foreign minister made trips to Washington. Also pressed into service were friends in congress, academics and both U.S. and Vietnamese businesses, according to diplomats and researchers.

Vietnam's message was taken to the National Security Council, specifically to Matt Pottinger, senior director for East Asia, and to Vice President Mike Pence's office as well as Defense and State Departments.

Having a career U.S. ambassador in Hanoi helped. Vietnamese-speaking Ted Osius was not among political appointees swept out by Trump.

'Flooded the zone'

Vietnam sought multiple routes to Trump.

"They really 'flooded the zone' and comprehensively improved the relationship," said Carl Thayer, of Australia’s Defence Force Academy. "The devil will be in the details, but at this point it does seem to be a success as a piece of pro-active diplomacy from Hanoi."

U.S. President Donald Trump greets Vietnamese Prime MinisterNguyen Xuan Phuc at the White House in Washington, U.S., May 31, 2017. Photo: Reuters

There were broad smiles at the White House, where Trump appeared more at ease with Phuc, a business-minded bureaucrat, than Western leaders who bridle at his "America First" policies.

China is always near the top of Vietnam's concerns, although it tries to avoid alienating its neighbor.

The joint statement with Trump was just as supportive for Vietnam as one last year - particularly on the South China Sea, where Vietnam is the most vocal opponent of Chinese claims.

In fact, there was more: a possible U.S. carrier visit, acquisition of U.S. defense equipment and both naval and intelligence cooperation.

Trump is due in Vietnam in November for the meeting of countries in the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation group.

Trade trouble

The problem for Trump is the trade deficit - the United States' sixth biggest last year at $32 billion. In the first four months of 2017, Vietnam's U.S. exports grew over $400 million more than U.S. imports did.

Some $8 billion in new deals with U.S. firms hailed by Trump during Phuc's visit were less than they seemed: at least $5 billion related to deals made public last year.

Trump's decision to abandon the TPP trade pact in the name of protecting U.S. jobs didn't only harm Vietnam, which would have seen tariffs disappear. It would have forced Vietnam to improve access to a market of over 90 million people - more than Germany but with economic growth four times as fast.

"Vietnam's commitments under TPP would have opened many new markets for American exporters," James Fatheree, Asia executive director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, told Reuters.

Phuc told Trump he would keep to commitments on improving intellectual property rights and labor laws. But without TPP's sweeping provisions, scores of points will need discussion.

U.S. pig farmers want Vietnam to open up Asia's second biggest pork market; electronic payment providers are concerned at being forced to channel payments through a state monopoly; restrictions hamper the growth of online advertising; government procurement is opaque.

Phuc and Trump's statement gave an indication of the complexity with mentions of advertising and financial services, information-security products, white offal, distiller’s dried grains, catfish, shrimp, mangoes...

"While the U.S. will try to address the imbalance, the relationship is not strictly about trade," said Vietnam expert Jonathan London of Leiden University. "It’s about the future economic and security order in the Asian region."