"Bitching" ? Really ? Substance and depth ? I can write 15 A4 pages explaining what going on from the 1954 to 1975 but i do want keep it short for people eyes here.
And it will be meaningless to everyone, including the Viets on this forum. At best, you will get a few 'Thanks' and a few posts praising how you stick it to the US, but in the end, you will have contributed
NOTHING, even on the intellectual front, on how to solve Viet Nam's predicament.
My point is to let people know what happen if VN goes down the alliance road. Its retarded if the only thing you got to argue back with me is i also has to present something else if i hate the idea about alliance. And if you really like the alliance so much, mind explain to me the way for VN to enter an alliance with a country that will ready to bomb VN enemy, expert heavy economic pressure against it, set up embargo along the coast line and will even threaten to use nuclear weapon to protect VN.
The issue is not what I like, but
WHAT IS/ARE NECESSARY. Get that thru your head. Even Uncle Ho, at one time, felt it was necessary to put on a front for the US by way of quoting the US Constitution and it was good enough to fool people until this day.
Now since you like politics, i will entertain you a bit,
You already have.
News of terrible communist atrocities, so i guess you read it on the same paper that will later claim Saddam Hussein has WMD in his country , Osama Bin Laden is a freedom fighter and VN still keep US POW after the war ?
No, unlike communist countries, there are plenty of sources of news. So far, not one of them (plural), domestic US and foreign, ever said those communist atrocities did not occurred. Tell us, were you alive at that time ?
Shit hole after 1975 ? Yea sure since US go full swing in support of China and Khmer Rouge so VN has to start mobilizing man for a 2 front war which add another 20 years of isolation and embargo. Thanks a lot Uncle Sam. I bet if UK has keep up a navy embargo toward the entire North America sector, a similar kind of hole will be formed in the colonies then ? You beat up someone and use everything in your power to make that guy life as miserable as possible. Finally you claim that the guy is just a wreck........Well, i have nothing to say with that kind of action and logic
An embargo ? That tell me that I should not take that 15 A4 pages from you seriously. Perhaps you mean a
BLOCKADE.
A blockade is an act of war. That is when there are
PHYSICAL measures to prevent access, in and out. Last I checked, there were no US fleets off the coast of Viet Nam and if I recall reading newspaper in the BI (Before Internet) era, Soviet ships docked in Cam Ranh Bay regularly, no ? So what 'embargo' are you talking about ?
An embargo is
VOLUNTARY, meaning the US does not have any legal and physical measures to enforce its will. For your education, while the US government prevented US businesses from Viet Nam, tne JPNese and the SKReans were in country.
So why was Viet Nam an economic shithole ? To further your education, there is no right to trade, young man. Trade is a privilege, not a right. At best, I have the right to propose trade, but not to force it upon you. So if the Soviets, the Chinese, the Warsaw Pact, the JPNese, and the SKReans were trading with Viet Nam, why was Viet Nam that economic shithole ? Too embarrassed to admit that the Marxist experiment failed and that you must latch onto the most convenient scapegoat, the US ?
Write those 15 A4 pages, see if anyone cares when you have proven you do not know as much as you think when you cannot even distinguish the difference between an 'embargo' and a 'blockade'. If you are intellectually honest enough, you might include how much Soviet aid there were to Viet Nam after 1975.
I dont hang to anything. I learn and see things. History to you people like a nothing but a minor stuff.
Actually, history matters a lot to people like me who thinks beyond history. Unlike people like you, we do not let history get in our way of progress.
George Santayana famous quote goes: Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The sad part is that the corollary is equally true: Those who learned from history are doomed to repeat it.
Why ? Because people like you imprisoned yourselves via the same history books since you failed to realize that there are different perspectives to the same event.
Come and go straight to trash can. When i tell it you say, "Hey that old stuff, dont apply it here. Dont cling to it." Well damn then i guess what can we say a bout a country reputation if we dont check his god damn history ? Now ? What happen to Philippine NOW ? What happen to Ukraine NOW ? What happen to Iraq NOW ? I update stuff everyday and everywhere i check, i cant see any bright spots about "alliance". And when i point it out, you say that im "insulting people". Name 1 time after the Gulf War that military alliance actually work for me, please. And do exclude all the gang fight from like half or NATO bomb the crap out of Libya.
The problem for you is that you believe, or at least think, that there must be a universal solution to all problems. Are the Viets identical to the Iraqis ? Why did the US able to support VN instead of Ukraine ? I guess that communist experiment must have succeeded for you since communists believes theirs is the universal solution so now you must believe there are fixed methods for everything.
Pfff like hell someone will die for a country that is not his homeland.
If you have to resort to this, that tells me you got nothing worthwhile to offer for the country we both came from.
To start off, I am in good company since the US is an immigrant nation.
Next, it seems you do not understand human nature as well as you think you do. A person's political allegiance often goes to the country that offers him the best opportunities to better his life. I do not see people swarming to become Vietnamese citizens. Do you ?
All of this is entertaining enough. I still do not see a single credible argument from you on how Viet Nam is to survive Chinese military onslaught other than the potential problems of alliances, which does not
DIRECTLY address the problem in the first place.
Since you have demonstrated you do not understand the difference between an 'embargo' and a 'blockade'. If China succeed in gaining physical control of the South China Sea, it does not matter your view on alliances since China will make that decision for Viet Nam -- China will not care. Whether it is Viet Nam, the Philippines, or Indonesia, China will not care. In fact, China is counting on people like
YOU to make her job easier. If Viet Nam is made to be all alone, what differences do alliances make regarding the SCS ? None. China will control Viet Nam's access to the seas and trade as you write those 15 A4 pages about how terrible the US was in those post WW II yrs.