Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

What are you going on about?

You’ve made some preposterous theory (about Vietnam coordinating and asking the White House to “okay” the EXTRA rocket deployment) so I have the right to refute or argue against it. This is a public forum, you give your theory on this public forum then I have the right to refute or question it. If you don’t like it then don’t make such theory on this public forum.

Don’t get immature and start rambling if I refute a questionable theory of yours that you have posted on a public discussion forum.

I have no interest of talking to you.

I agree.

Vietnam needs no such "permission" or "okay" from any foreign countries to deploy weapon systems in our legimate sovereignty.

Okayed means "no objection" is what I wanted to say. Sure, Vietnam is a sovereign nation, can decide and need no permission from anyone. Nor "ok" from any party. But keep in mind, we are not living in a vacuum, with no neighbors close by, no disputes, no foreign warships nor planes cruising the contested region. It is about making clear about own intention and avoiding misunderstanding.

I am willing to bet, Vietnam has communicated the EXTRA deployment with the United States. And America has no objection, having the balance of powers in mind, given Chinese military buildup in the Spratlys.

I don't wonder either if Vietnam informed Russia leadership in advance.

 

[William Hung]

I have no interest of talking to you.

huh? I didn’t asked you to talk to me. I’m telling you, if you post your own theories in a public forum, then I (or any one else) have the right to dispute or refute it. Whether you read or address my refutation does not matter, I can just post it just like you can post your theory. Don’t keep acting immature and repeat your attacking rant, its getting old and out of hand.

 

[Viet]

huh? I didn’t asked you to talk to me. I’m telling you, if you post your own theories in a public forum, then I (or any one else) have the right to dispute or refute it. Whether you read or address my refutation does not matter, I can just post it just like you can post your theory. Don’t keep acting immature and repeat your attacking rant, its getting old and out of hand.

Ha ha ha

Yes it is a public forum, everybody can post opinion, expressing theory, asking question. But it is up to any individual that responds to the question or not. Have you seen that? I responded to Slient Knight. But not you. Because you have a history of ill intentions, twisting words, making harassment. But true, actually I am too old for such immature bullshit.

 

[William Hung]

Ha ha ha

Yes it is a public forum, everybody can post opinion, expressing theory, asking question. But it is up to any individual that responds to the question or not. Have you seen that? I responded to Slient Knight. But not you. Because you have a history of ill intentions, twisting words, making harassment. But true, actually I am too old for such immature bullshit.

Huh? again I didn’t say you need to reapond. I just post my refutation if I see posts or comments that are irrational. You are free to post your opinions, and so am I free to post my refutation on it, regardless if you read or respond to my post. Is that clear? then stop jumping up and down whenever I make refutations.

 

[Viet]

What an idiot!

 

[hoangsa74]

What an idiot!

All of these viet cong are so gullible. Without the U.S's approval, Israel would not even dare to sell any of those missiles or radar to viet cong.

Just look at the viet cong troopers in that 1988 Spratly "battle". None of the viet cong dare to fire any "first", second, third, or nth shot at the Chinese. Even viet cong general revealed later that viet cong were not allowed to shoot at the Chinese.

Now, the viet cong have the gut to bring extra artillery rockets to the Spratly without any kind of "assurance" from Washington D.C? Yeah, right.

 

[Viet]

All of these viet cong are so gullible. Without the U.S's approval, Israel would not even dare to sell any of those missiles or radar to viet cong.

Just look at the viet cong troopers in that 1988 Spratly "battle". None of the viet cong dare to fire any "first", second, third, or nth shot at the Chinese. Even viet cong general revealed later that viet cong were not allowed to shoot at the Chinese.

Now, the viet cong have the gut to bring extra artillery rockets to the Spratly without any kind of "assurance" from Washington D.C? Yeah, right.

Well I won't go so far to insult all. Except a low IQ stalker. Ok thing is we need to be realistic and pragmatic on the ground. Being proud at wrong time and wrong place would lead us to catastrophe. There is a sharp difference between bravery and stupidity.

As you said it, EXTRA is Israeli weapons system, using US technology including GPS guidance system. It is not necessarily a bad thing to cooperate with the United States. First and foremost we need US backing should the deployment create a sharp reaction from China. The US also can provide us with military grade GPS signals, for better accuracy of the EXTRA.

 

[cochine]

Largest multifunctional replenishment oiler handed over to Vietnam Coast Guard

TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 07/29/2016 10:46 GMT + 7

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The Vietnam Coast Guard received its largest multifunctional replenishment oiler on Thursday.

The multifunctional vessel CSB 7011 will be added to the fleet of the Vietnam Coast Guard of Zone 3, which manages the maritime area between the south-central province of Binh Dinh and the southern province of Tra Vinh as well as the East Vietnam Sea.

Weighing 2,900 metric tons, the ship is 90 meters long and 14 meters wide, considered the largest and most modern multifunctional replenishment oiler among the country’s vessel line-up.

The CBS 7011 can reach a maximum velocity of 13.5 nautical miles per hour, cover 6,000 nautical miles within 60 days, and withstand winds blowing at 117 kilometers per hour.


The vessel is also outfitted with several rooms for first-aid and healthcare, and multiple technical repair workshops.

The oiler is designed to transport and supply food and fuel for other coast guard ships operating at sea, support local fishermen, and assist in search and rescue missions as well as environmental protection efforts.

Leaders of the Vietnam Coast Guard of Zone 3 have vowed to effectively use the new vessel to fulfill all missions regarding the enforcement of maritime laws and the protection of national sovereignty, security, and safety.

 

[William Hung]

All of these viet cong are so gullible. Without the U.S's approval, Israel would not even dare to sell any of those missiles or radar to viet cong.

Just look at the viet cong troopers in that 1988 Spratly "battle". None of the viet cong dare to fire any "first", second, third, or nth shot at the Chinese. Even viet cong general revealed later that viet cong were not allowed to shoot at the Chinese.

Now, the viet cong have the gut to bring extra artillery rockets to the Spratly without any kind of "assurance" from Washington D.C? Yeah, right.

You made a new account just to post this comment? what a ludicrous joker.

Even if what the western media said about the EXTRA deployment was true, the theory that VN “coordinated” and needed an assurance “okay” from the White House is quite frankly, stupid. The logic was that Ha Kim Ngoc had a meeting in the US one week before reuter released the article, so somehow an “okay” from the WH was solicited in that meeting. But the fact is that the reuter article explictly said VN had been deploying the EXTRA for “months”, if you don’t have any logic, it means that it was supposedly deployed “months” before Ha Kim Ngoc visited the US. So, any theory about Ha Kim Ngoc needing to get an “assurance” “Okay” is pure nonsense and lack any rationality.

 

[Nike]

extra is just ur ordinary artillery rocket with some guidance thingy

not some strategic wonder weapons like THAAD

 

[BoQ77]

You made a new account just to post this comment? what a ludicrous joker.

Even if what the western media said about the EXTRA deployment was true, the theory that VN “coordinated” and needed an assurance “okay” from the White House is quite frankly, stupid. The logic was that Ha Kim Ngoc had a meeting in the US one week before reuter released the article, so somehow an “okay” from the WH was solicited in that meeting. But the fact is that the reuter article explictly said VN had been deploying the EXTRA for “months”, if you don’t have any logic, it means that it was supposedly deployed “months” before Ha Kim Ngoc visited the US. So, any theory about Ha Kim Ngoc needing to get an “assurance” “Okay” is pure nonsense and lack any rationality.

Actually, Vietnam planned to deploy EXtra rockets on Spratly not months but years.
And it is not the first or last rockets deployed.
It seems that Vietnam never tried to cover carefully the deployment, as they declared in the 2015 naval marching that Extra is suitable to deploy in Sea and Island condition.

A detergent couldnt be a detergent if no one acknowledged its presence.
No one saved Vietnamese sailors in Johnson South reef in 1988, so no one could limit what Vietnam arm their islands and reefs.

Philippines knows well what it means so they dont oppose the move but would copy it.

 

[William Hung]

Actually, Vietnam planned to deploy EXtra rockets on Spratly not months but years.
And it is not the first or last rockets deployed.
It seems that Vietnam never tried to cover carefully the deployment, as they declared in the 2015 naval marching that Extra is suitable to deploy in Sea and Island condition.

A detergent couldnt be a detergent if no one acknowledged its presence.
No one saved Vietnamese sailors in Johnson South reef in 1988, so no one could limit what Vietnam arm their islands and reefs.

Philippines knows well what it means so they dont oppose the move but would copy it.

Yes, indeed the planning, preparations and approval would take longer than months. And the Reuter article cleary said the EXTRA was already moved there months ago. It was a pure simple deduction error on his part by linking together the Reuter article and the VN delegation visit to the US to make the conclusion about the so called “assurance” and “okay” from the WH. He should just accept his minor deductive error and move on instead jumping up and down and making a ruckus everytime.

And for sure the US and the Philippines would already know what the intention for the EXTRA is. And it is also a diplomatic posture against China, irrelevent to what the US think. The more aggressive and irrational China reacts to such relatively minor action, the better it is, since the Philippines would be compelled to follow similar steps, and VN would gain other benefits too, the previous lifting of the arms embargo was one such benefit, all thanks to China’s recent antics.

 

[Carlosa]

Actually, Vietnam planned to deploy EXtra rockets on Spratly not months but years.
And it is not the first or last rockets deployed.
It seems that Vietnam never tried to cover carefully the deployment, as they declared in the 2015 naval marching that Extra is suitable to deploy in Sea and Island condition.

A detergent couldnt be a detergent if no one acknowledged its presence.
No one saved Vietnamese sailors in Johnson South reef in 1988, so no one could limit what Vietnam arm their islands and reefs.

Philippines knows well what it means so they dont oppose the move but would copy it.

Vietnam may have "informed" USA that it was deploying the EXTRA, that would make a lot more sense I supposed.

 

[BoQ77]

Deployment of EXTRA needs to be “okayed” by the White House???

umm NO, since when does VN need to ask permission for such things? even if EXTRA were indeed deployed in the Spratlys, preparations for such deployment would take a lot more time than just mere days after the Deputy FM visited the US.

Can you remove the non-flag-shown poster @William Hung from this thread please?

He is a low life troller, a stalker. He contributes nothing except jumping in once a while making comments if he sees something that is not fitting in his narrow mindset. He once promised to quit this forum forever. I wonder why he is here luring around.

Thank you

Dont do that again @Viet
Do they block the comment section under any article in Germany?
or limit who can make comment there?

extra is just ur ordinary artillery rocket with some guidance thingy

not some strategic wonder weapons like THAAD

yes. Extra is for mission in short range, and I believe it could do that precisely.

 

[William Hung]

Vietnam may have "informed" USA that it was deploying the EXTRA, that would make a lot more sense I supposed.

He didn’t just merely said “informed” the USA, but said that VN wanted to make sure the US had “no objection” to it, which in essence means Vietnam was asking for US permission, which kind of contradicted the article anyway if he read carefully. If he wants to change his words now then thats fine with me. He should have done that in the beginning instead of his repetitive immature outbursts. Giving the same old excuse for his ruckus and outbursts is getting old and annoying. If he doesn’t want me to refute some of his absurd theories and claims (which are actually many but I ignore most of it), then he should refrain from expressing them. He has the right to express all of his opinions but I also have the right to refute it when I see it extremely absurd. His immature outbursts and attacks only makes him look bad, you should let him know that.