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Vntsx, I understand that your beloved US collapse is coming and you are seeing it. But no need to behave so desperately and attack the poor Vietnamese government in every posts. It is not a good tactics.

Collapsing? What you live in USA and you know everything? I'm seeing it? ahhaha you're clueless. VCP is not poor, but poor thinking. Your criticism of the US doesn't apply to its current situation. You're just an emotional & delusional person and doesn't understand reality. Before attacking me, you should go read what I said in my previous comments. I do what I want. This is why communist people like you will never get it. You're completely brainwashed and VCP doesn't allow you to think and believe your own way.

Now, I understand why @William Hung and other members think you're weird. Because your opinions are based on your pride & emotions when talking to one of us. When one of us say anything about your pride, it hurts your feelings. You feel angry and want to defend your pride & emotions. So you would SAY & DO whatever to take back your pride & emotions to feel good about yourself. This is why your opinions are biased and incorrect. This is why you're similar to some of the Chinese members on here. You are insecure. The people who are insecure are usually without friends or lacking social skills.

My suggestion to you is QUIT being a CRYBABY and grow up and be a real man and think for yourself rather than believing everything you read on Vietnamese/Chinese/USA News Paper.
 
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vtnsx, aviet: how about you both go a boxing room and fight? how about contributing into this thread?
I get bored by your bashing either against each other or one other favorite regimes.


Vietnam made K14 pistole, manufactured by Z111 factory

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Strela-10

a visually aimed, optical/infrared-guided, low-altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile system of the Vietnam People´s Army. Range of fire‎: ‎800 - 5,000 m.


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night firing exercise

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Strela-10

a visually aimed, optical/infrared-guided, low-altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile system of the Vietnam People´s Army. Range of fire‎: ‎800 - 5,000 m.


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night firing exercise

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The Russians are upgrading their Strela-10 with Sosna-R missiles (the one used in the Palma system). Hopefully Vietnam will do the same.

SOSNA-R

For protection of smaller missile boats and corvettes against air attacks, Russia is offering the new Palma turret, which incorporates the same close-in air defense system used with the Tunguska (SA-19 Grison). Palma uses eight SOSNA-R missiles and two 30mm six-barrel AO-18KD gatling guns, which have a cyclic rate of fire of 10,000 rounds per minute. Each gun is provided with 1,500 ready-use rounds. Palma provides fully automatic close-in protection for naval ships and, unlike most Russian systems, uses combined input from radar, laser and IR systems, reportedly making it immune to electronic countermeasures.

The SOSNA-R 9M337 (SA-24) hyper-velocity beam rider missile is a two-stage missile designed for interception of fired wing aircraft and helicopters, as well as guided weapons and cruise missiles. This missile type is also capable of engaging light armored vehicles. The missile uses radar-guidance for boost phase, transitioning to laser beam guidance for mid-course corrections and the terminal phase. The 28 kg missile can sustain maximum dynamic loads of 40Gs, cruises at a speed of 570 m/sec and has a top speed of 920 m/sec. The missile is equipped with a fragmentation charge activated at close proximity flyby, or a rod penetrator, which is used when a direct hit can be achieved. The missile uses a selective proximity/impact fuse with continuous circular pattern scan and adaptive burst rate in order to support both kill mechanisms. SOSNA-R missiles are designed to engage targets at ranges of 1 – 10 km and altitudes of 6 – 15,000 feet.

SOSNA can also be carried on tracked vehicles such as the MT-LB permitting operation as a mobile air defense system that consists of 12 missile launchers, an EO module and a radar installed on a traversable turret. The MT-LB is also a part of the improved Strela 10M4, which is an upgraded version of the 9K35, also known as Strela-10 (NATO designation SA-13 Gopher). The Strela-10M4 uses 9M333 or 9M37MD IR guided missiles, which are designed for an effective range of 0.5 to 5 km and altitudes from 3 to 10,000 feet. The system operates completely passively prior to launch. Utilizing electro-optical based, "man-in-the-loop" target acquisition and "fire and forget" guidance, it is effectively immune to traditional electronic countermeasures, including EO jamming and flares.

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Air defense missile system

The system is intended to protect against all types of air threats including high-precision weapons e.g. cruise missiles and guided aircraft missiles in the area of the system responsibility: in range – up to 10 km, in altitude – up to 5 km.

Structure principles

• mount of missile armament with a launcher in one combat vehicle, air search and target tracking equipments, missile flight control units that are combined by integrated optronic combat control system
• missile armament consists of 12 high-speed high-precision maintenance-free missiles SOSNA-R deployed in a launcher. Light weight of the missiles allows to dispose of a transport/loading vehicle from the system
• optimal configuration of surface-to-air guided missile (SAM) payload allows to improve impact effect due to increased weight of spread warheads and application of impact/non-impact laser fuse with continuous circular beam pattern and adaptive burst time
• special multichannel automatic high-precision practically all-weather and day/night optronic control system
• combined missile control system:
- radio command system in start zone
- remote orientation in laser beam after engine division and missile targeting to the line-of-sight
• optronic combat control system with sector scan and in the automate target designation mode provide autonomous target detection capability

Qualities

• high effectiveness of combat application including high-speed and low-flying targets and helicopters during pop-up maneuvers
• high automation of combat processes
• day/night and all-weather capability of combat processes
• concealed fire preparation and high survivability
• unlimited minimum flight altitude of hitting target
• radar and optical countermeasure equipments immunity
• capacity to firing on the move
 
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Carlosa, I believe the decision is made for Spyder. many articles including from VN state media say:

low-high search radar 36D6 (Ukraine)
passive early warning radar Kolchuga (Ukraine)
long-range radar ELM-2288/ER (Israel)

Viettel made radars RV-D1, VRS-S, and VRS-W
intelligence management systems: VQ 98-01, VQ-1M, and VQ-2

anti aircraft missiles will be SPYDER, S-300 and S-125.

http://tuoitrenews.vn/politics/31293/vietnam-buys-israelimade-air-defense-missile-system-radar



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Carlosa, I believe the decision is made for Spyder. many articles including from VN state media say:

low-high search radar 36D6 (Ukraine)
passive early warning radar Kolchuga (Ukraine)
long-range radar ELM-2288/ER (Israel)

Viettel made radars RV-D1, VRS-S, and VRS-W
intelligence management systems: VQ 98-01, VQ-1M, and VQ-2

anti aircraft missiles will be SPYDER, S-300 and S-125.

http://tuoitrenews.vn/politics/31293/vietnam-buys-israelimade-air-defense-missile-system-radar



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Sure, as new systems go, but I don't think Vietnam will trow away the Strela 10. Even Russia is upgrading them, so Vietnam will probably do the same and lets not forget that it makes sense from a logistical perspective since VN is already using the Sosna-R in the navy.

And anyway, what you are saying that the anti aircraft missiles will be SPYDER, S-300 and S-125 is true, but........ those are fixed systems, they are not mobile (yes, they can move to a new location and set up again, but that's not the type of mobile that I'm talking about, they can't operate on the move). The Strela 10 is a mobile system and can fire on the move, so its in a different category.

The other mobile systems in Vietnam are Pantsyr S1, the rumored Thor system which has never been confirmed, but its almost for sure that Vietnam has and the Buk M2.

You can classify the air defense systems into 3 types: portable (MANPACS), fixed operation and mobile. fixed operation and mobile are for different purposes, they complement each other.

Most mobile systems are short range and they move together with the armored / mechanized units and infantry in order to protect them at the front. The fixed systems stay in the back in stationary positions or just defend important locations (the S-300 systems defend Saigon and Hanoi). The Pantsyr S1 usually protects the S-300 batteries.

Still, there is one more fixed operation system that is needed and that was going to be the Aster 30 - SAMP/T, but I didn't hear anymore about that. What happened with that? The last I've heard, some Vietnamese officers went to training classes in France.
 
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The F-105 Was the F-35 of the Vietnam Era
U.S. Air Force devised special tactics to help the jet survive



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by DAVID AXE

The U.S. military’s new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter can’t turn fast enough to defeat a much older F-16 in mock air combat, according to an official test pilot report that War Is Boring obtained.

So how will F-35s — on track to be the U.S. Air Force’s most numerous fighter — survive in battle against foes flying much more nimble Russian and Chinese jets?

Look to history for possible answers. Fifty years ago, the Air Force was in a similar predicament. Its main strike fighter was the F-105 Thunderchief — a heavy, high-tech ground-attacker that, much like the F-35, was supposed to also be able to defeat enemy fighters.

But in fact, the F-105 — like the F-35 — turned too slowly to reliably beat the Russian-made MiG-21, the Thunderchief’s main potential rival at the time. So the Air Force worked out special tactics to help the F-105 survive.

The flying branch will have to do the same for the F-35.


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a Mig-17 tails a US F-105 Thunderchief over Vietnam


The similarities between the F-35 and F-105 are striking. “Both the F-105 and JSF are large, single-seat, single-engine strike fighters, using the most powerful engine of the era … [and] with empty weights in the 27,000-pound class, and wingspans almost identical at 35 feet,” Carlo Kopp, an Australian aerospace analyst, wrote in 2004.

“Both carry internal weapon bays and multiple external hardpoints for drop tanks and weapons,” Kopp continued. “Both were intended to achieve combat radii in the 400-nautical-mile class. Neither have by the standards of their respective periods high thrust-weight ratio or energy maneuver capability favored for air superiority fighters and interceptors.”

The Air Force acquired 833 F-105s and lost no fewer than 334 over Vietnam between 1965 and 1970. North Vietnamese MiGs shot down 22 Thunderchiefs while, according to Kopp, F-105s shot down at least 27 MiGs — near parity in air-to-air combat.

But the Pentagon wasn’t content with parity. To improve its tactics, in 1969 the Air Force conducted mock air battles between an F-105 and a ex-Iraqi MiG-21 as part of the Defense Intelligence Agency’s “Have Doughnut” program. The MiG’s pilot had defected to Israel with his jet, and the Israelis generously allowed the Americans to borrow the speedy, nimble little fighter.


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The experiment did not go well for the F-105. Encountering a MiG-21, the F-105 crew should try to flee, the testers advised. If the F-105 was behind the MiG-21 and the MiG flier didn’t know it, the Thunderchief crew could attempt a high-speed ambush.

But when the F-105 and MiG-21 started out in equal and opposite positions, the American plane was in trouble. “If the F-105 attacker attempts a prolonged maneuvering engagement, it becomes vulnerable to follow-up attacks as the offensive situation deteriorates due to loss of energy and maneuvering potential,” the Air Force reported.

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The F-35 pilot in the JSF-on-F-16 test reported a similar dynamic. “Insufficient pitch rate,” the F-35 flier complained about his stealthy fighter-bomber. In a turning fight, “energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.”

But while the F-105 enjoyed a straight-line speed advantage over most rivals, the F-35 is actually slower than today’s Sukhoi, Shenyang and Chengdu fighters. Fortunately, the JSF is a stealth warplane, with design features that help it avoid detection by long-range sensors in certain circumstances.

If the F-35 is to survive in future wars, its operators must devise tactics that take advantage of this one attribute, Kopp advised. “The decisive factor for the JSF in this game will be its limited stealth performance.”
 
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