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It seems that the Vietnamese has been a long-standing customer of Russian military goods, yet it perplexed me that they have never negotiate for any tech transfer in their purchases. The Indonesians however negotiated for all their high tech purchases with the standing technology transfer requirement of 35 %.

It has been reported that Indonesia has agreed to purchase 10 SU-35 in return for 35 % tech transfer. Confirmed: Indonesia Will Buy 10 Russian S-35 Fighter Jets | The Diplomat

Rumors has it that Vietnam has agreed to buy 12 or more of the Russian's SU-30sm, yet no word of tech transfer. Maybe its time, the Vietnamese should ask their Indonesian neighbor to teach them negotiating skills.

never got viral in mainstream media doesn't mean it's non-existent. Vietnam got some manufacturing capability from Soviet Union and then Russia to producing small arms, ammo, and several high caliber weapons. And they vigorously pursue rocket and missile technology. They create their own RPG's, Grad missiles, even Scuds. They can maintained their S-75 Dvina and Pechora missiles system, some of which even had been modernized at home is a testament.

I am suspect Vietnam military industry is actually third most capable in ASEAN after our and Singapore.
 
It seems that the Vietnamese has been a long-standing customer of Russian military goods, yet it perplexed me that they have never negotiate for any tech transfer in their purchases. The Indonesians however negotiated for all their high tech purchases with the standing technology transfer requirement of 35 %.

It has been reported that Indonesia has agreed to purchase 10 SU-35 in return for 35 % tech transfer. Confirmed: Indonesia Will Buy 10 Russian S-35 Fighter Jets | The Diplomat

Rumors has it that Vietnam has agreed to buy 12 or more of the Russian's SU-30sm, yet no word of tech transfer. Maybe its time, the Vietnamese should ask their Indonesian neighbor to teach them negotiating skills.

Just one question, out of curiosity, since no detail whatsoever about that SU-30SM sale to Vietnam has been released to the media (which is typical for Vietnamese military contracts), how do you know what has been negotiated or not? Do you have any special access to information regarding that sale?

Have you heard about the Russian sales of Uran antiship missiles that resulted in a tech transfer leading to license production in Vietnam?

Same story about Yakhont missiles which license production is rumored to start in Vietnam in 2017.

The recent sale of Israeli Spyder missiles is also rumored to include license production in Vietnam.

Surveillance radars have been produced in Vietnam based on tech transfer from Belarus and the Czech republic..

An indigenous passive radar is now in production in Vietnam as a consequence of the Vera-E purchase.

Drones are being produced after tech transfer from Belarus and others.

The sale of Molniya missile ships included tech transfer and production in Vietnam.

I think you are not well informed about Vietnam.
 
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Su -30 jets patrol on Spratly.

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Just one question, out of curiosity, since no detail whatsoever about that SU-30SM sale to Vietnam has been released to the media (which is typical for Vietnamese military contracts), how do you know what has been negotiated or not? Do you have any special access to information regarding that sale?

Have you heard about the Russian sales of Uran antiship missiles that resulted in a tech transfer leading to license production in Vietnam?

Same story about Yakhont missiles which license production is rumored to start in Vietnam in 2017.

The recent sale of Israeli Spyder missiles is also rumored to include license production in Vietnam.

Surveillance radars have been produced in Vietnam based on tech transfer from Belarus and the Czech republic..

An indigenous passive radar is now in production in Vietnam as a consequence of the Vera-E purchase.

Drones are being produced after tech transfer from Belarus and others.

The sale of Molniya missile ships included tech transfer and production in Vietnam.

I think you are not well informed about Vietnam.

actually i will always read UN arms sales transfer report as per of my current jobs in government services, they will usually put notice about the condition of arm sales. Then some local media in Vietnam will give the hint sight about the conditions of Vietnam defense industry. Sure Vietnam defense industry had its own strength, but they had their own weakness too. The lacks of manufacturing capability in Vietnam in several sector of very important industry is very acute, and this hampering their potential growth significantly.
 
actually i will always read UN arms sales transfer report as per of my current jobs in government services, they will usually put notice about the condition of arm sales. Then some local media in Vietnam will give the hint sight about the conditions of Vietnam defense industry. Sure Vietnam defense industry had its own strength, but they had their own weakness too. The lacks of manufacturing capability in Vietnam in several sector of very important industry is very acute, and this hampering their potential growth significantly.

The thing about Vietnam is that they rarely disclose tech transfers and if the suppliers also don't disclose it, then there is no easy way to know or confirm it.

The recent unveiled HS-6L uav is rumored to have been made with a tech transfer from Belarus, but nobody is saying anything, that's a very good example.

Anyway, the point here was not about how weak or strong the Vietnamese defense industry is, but whether Vietnam negotiates tech transfers or not. I would say that they are doing quite ok in that department, particularly in recent years and it seems to be the trend now.

Have to also consider that a tech transfer only makes sense if it is in an area where the country has the capability to utilize such tech transfer. Vietnam does not have a aircraft industry and it might not be interested in developing one, if that's the case then it will not bother to negotiate a tech transfer and they'll just concentrate in getting the best price points. Indonesia on the other hand, it does have an aircraft industry and as such, it will put out a good effort to get the best tech transfer that it can get; it only makes sense.

I see a lot of interest in developing missile technology and also a decision was recently made to expand the defense business of the company Viettel, that's the defense high tech company of Vietnam, I expect to see a lot coming out of that since the Viettel people are extremely capable.

In other areas, the defense industry is lacking in a shocking way. I'm quite amazed that Vietnam still doesn't make armored vehicles, something that many countries do and when it comes to naval industry , its still too primitive.
 
Vietnam focus more on things that kill other things . That is why anti-tank and anti-ship weapon plus surface-to-air missile got plenty of resource . We got Soviet license on small arm , crew-served weapons and even short range ground to ground missiles as well (ranging from RPK to Scud) . Sure Indo got quite a robust industry to pursuit aircraft production and you got a good deal but hey , if you mean the negotiation skills then we got plenty , enough to be 1 of 2 Tactical ballistic missiles weapon operators in ASEAN (with longer range in later variant) , and maybe the only one with capibility in maintaince and production , with frequent upgrades from Russia and CIS ( which is currently "rumoured" to be far more potent than the old D variant )

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It seems that the Vietnamese has been a long-standing customer of Russian military goods, yet it perplexed me that they have never negotiate for any tech transfer in their purchases. The Indonesians however negotiated for all their high tech purchases with the standing technology transfer requirement of 35 %.

It has been reported that Indonesia has agreed to purchase 10 SU-35 in return for 35 % tech transfer. Confirmed: Indonesia Will Buy 10 Russian S-35 Fighter Jets | The Diplomat

Rumors has it that Vietnam has agreed to buy 12 or more of the Russian's SU-30sm, yet no word of tech transfer. Maybe its time, the Vietnamese should ask their Indonesian neighbor to teach them negotiating skills.
Stop assuming craps, the truth doesn't lay in what you read in the newspapers and internet. Viet Nam is a hardcore communist country with a lot of secrets & close door dealings. Viet Nam also enjoy the longest and strongest military relationship with Russia (and URSS) among ASEAN . By the way 35% tech transfer is not a great % of success if you ask me but 100% is the success...
 
In other areas, the defense industry is lacking in a shocking way. I'm quite amazed that Vietnam still doesn't make armored vehicles, something that many countries do and when it comes to naval industry , its still too primitive.

I think Vietnam lack of armor and IFV industry is because VPA doctrine still rely too much on infantrymen and old fighting warfare doctrine (because of the experiences of past warfares). And also (just like China 25 years ago) Viet Nam doesn't have the road infrastructure for quick movement of mechanized units and lack of automobile industry for quality design and production. When the transport infrastructure and automobile industry will be advanced, the armor and infantry fighting armor will start. Sometime the national (civilian) economy will pave (and dictate) the way for the modernization of the armed forces.
 
The thing about Vietnam is that they rarely disclose tech transfers and if the suppliers also don't disclose it, then there is no easy way to know or confirm it.

The recent unveiled HS-6L uav is rumored to have been made with a tech transfer from Belarus, but nobody is saying anything, that's a very good example.

Anyway, the point here was not about how weak or strong the Vietnamese defense industry is, but whether Vietnam negotiates tech transfers or not. I would say that they are doing quite ok in that department, particularly in recent years and it seems to be the trend now.

Have to also consider that a tech transfer only makes sense if it is in an area where the country has the capability to utilize such tech transfer. Vietnam does not have a aircraft industry and it might not be interested in developing one, if that's the case then it will not bother to negotiate a tech transfer and they'll just concentrate in getting the best price points. Indonesia on the other hand, it does have an aircraft industry and as such, it will put out a good effort to get the best tech transfer that it can get; it only makes sense.

I see a lot of interest in developing missile technology and also a decision was recently made to expand the defense business of the company Viettel, that's the defense high tech company of Vietnam, I expect to see a lot coming out of that since the Viettel people are extremely capable.

In other areas, the defense industry is lacking in a shocking way. I'm quite amazed that Vietnam still doesn't make armored vehicles, something that many countries do and when it comes to naval industry , its still too primitive.

To know your own weakness and Strength points you can made a decent road map for your defense industries and from that made the best effort/bang for the bucks given the lacks of resource Vietnam had.
 
Forensic

Vietnam´s Institute of Biotechnology begins the world´s largest ever systematic identification effort, a $150 million forensic project spanning more than 10 years, with the aim to identify person. based upon the DNA extracted from decaying body remains. estimated 650,000 person went missing during the Vietnam war, that ends 41 years ago. Leading forensic and DNA companies in Germany and Holland as Bioglobe and Biontis will assist Vietnamese government in the effort. the modern forensic labors could identify up to 10,000 person a year.


Why all the efforts?

as the article below points out: most people in Vietnam believe to Buddhism therefore it is very important for them to know the whereabouts of their relatives.


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Vietnam Begins Huge Effort to Identify War Dead - Scientific American






08.02.2016, 20:44
GITZ Forensik: Millionenaufträge für Geesthachter Firmen


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GITZ-Geschäftsführer Rainer Döhl-Oelze freut sich, dass Andreas Zucker (Biontis) und Olaf Jüttner (RES) kooperieren (v.li.).



Geesthacht. RES-Geschäftsführer Olaf Jüttner hat den Deal mit seinen langjährigen Kontakten nach Asien eingefädelt. Bis zu 150 Millionen US-Dollar (rund 135 Millionen Euro) soll der Auftrag für die deutschen Unternehmen umfassen.

„Ich freue mich, dass Firmen aus dem GITZ erneut an einem großen internationalen Auftrag beteiligt sind und dass die Nachbarschaft im GITZ zu der Kooperation geführt hat. Allein für sich hätten es beide Firmen nicht leicht gehabt, hier zum Zug zu kommen“, sagt Rainer Döhl-Oelze, Geschäftsführer des GITZ: „Das sind die Effekte, die ein Technologiezentrum auszeichnen.“

Seit 40 Jahren in Asien tätig

Projektentwickler Jüttner arbeitet seit etwa 40 Jahren in Asien, war in Taiwan, Japan, Indonesien, Malaysia und Korea. Er schätzt, dass er schon mehr als 250-mal im Flieger nach Asien unterwegs war, meistens in Sachen Export von Maschinen- und Industrieanlagen. „Heute kümmere ich mich um das Engineering in vielen Bereichen, von Recycling über Müllbeseitigung bis hin zu Laborausstattung“, berichtet Jüttner. Über all diese Aufgaben gelangte er an Kontakte bis in hohe Regierungskreise. Jüttner, der auch Europarepräsentant der Advanced International Stock Company (AIC) ist, sagt: „Solche Kontakte sind unerlässlich, denn die Regierung gibt die Finanzmittel für große Projekte frei.“

Im neuesten Projekt, der groß angelegten DNA-Untersuchung, sollen bis 2020 mindestens 80 000 der schätzungsweise 650 000 im Vietnam-Krieg verschollenen Opfer anhand ihrer sterblichen Überreste identifiziert werden. „Die meisten Menschen in Vietnam gehören dem Buddhismus an, da ist es sehr wichtig, den Verbleib der Angehörigen zu kennen“, weiß Jüttner. Er machte sich schlau, wen er als Partner mit ins Boot holen könnte – und wurde direkt im GITZ bei Andreas Zucker fündig. Der hatte 2002 Biontis gegründet, Spezialist für Laboranalyseverfahren. „Wir entwickeln für Analysen die nötige Gerätetechnik und schulen bei Bedarf die Bediener“, erklärt Zucker. „Mit unserem Komplettpaket haben wir in Vietnam überzeugt.“

Der DNA-Auftrag ist eine extreme Herausforderung: Die Knochen der Kriegsopfer lagen jahrzehntelang in nur geringer Tiefe, sind durch das feuchtwarme Klima und mikrobiellen und Pflanzenbewuchs in Mitleidenschaft gezogen. Und: Die Soldaten damals waren jung, hatten nur selten Kinder, ihre Eltern sind unterdessen gestorben. Da wird es eine große Aufgabe sein, Angehörige zu ermitteln. Die geplante Datenbank soll helfen, DNA von Toten und Bürgern abzugleichen. Ein automatisierter Arbeitsablauf während der Vergleiche soll Fehler ausschließen.

Probleme gibt es in Vietnam viele

„Wir sind ein Hort für jede Menge Technologien und Lösungen, die sonst niemand auf der Welt hat“, sagt Zucker. Er hofft deshalb, weitere Geschäfte in Vietnam machen zu können. „Probleme gibt es dort genug, etwa durch illegale Müllkippen und Bodenverschmutzungen“, weiß Jüttner. Die beiden Unternehmen wollen sogar eine neue Firma ins GITZ holen: Die soll sich um die Schulung von Personal zur Aufbereitung des oft verschmutzten Wassers in Vietnam kümmern.

GITZ - Forensik: Millionenaufträge für Geesthachter Firmen - Geesthacht - Bergedorfer Zeitung
 
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To know your own weakness and Strength points you can made a decent road map for your defense industries and from that made the best effort/bang for the bucks given the lacks of resource Vietnam had.

Yes, of course. Money is very limited in Vietnam and it does cost a lot to develop military industries, so the choices of what particular segments of the defense industry can be realistically developed are limited, there is only so much money. In some areas, the economies of scale are just not there and it wouldn't be worth it to even try. I think missile technology and radars is where we'll see the main efforts.
 
6/2/2016. a heavy aircraft transporter An-124-100 hands over two more SU-30 to Vietnam Airforce, serial number 88520 and 88521, bringing the total number to 36.
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a legacy of the major war: a US made M114 155mm howitzer, continue to service the VPA artillery corps.
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Medium range radar VRS-M2D, base on P-18 radar, developed by Viettel Corp.
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a P18 early warning radar staff, Lang Son, close to the border to China
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a aerial defence unit with P35 early warning and acquisition radar, range 350km, altitude 25 km
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the "grey" Marine Corps

I believe, unlike the "blue", the "grey" are usually stationed on islands, all times ready to counter possible enemy assaults.


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