Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

A Gepard of 4500 tons would no longer be a Gepard, it has to be something else and I think it would be more like the Admiral Gorshkov frigate which is 4500 tons. Very interesting. That Admiral Gorshkov frigate does have weapon systems that are more like a small destroyer including the fleet air defense system Redut - Poliment, so everything fits with what you said man.

When you say the Next Gepard, you don't mean the 2 that are under construction now right? You probably mean the third batch. That would be good.

exactly bro. I´m talking of the third batch of frigates. with fleet defense and land strike capabilities, that will become more a destroyer than a frigate. the new battleships (probably 6) would be able to take on chinese frigates and destroyers at open sea. head on. not sure about what airdefence system will be (redut or s-300 is a good bet), but RIA Novosti says Vietnam negotiates with Russia of building of warships, equipped with the Kalibr-NK, a high precision cruise missile, that can destroy enemy surface warships and land targets at ranges of up to 300 kilometers (190 miles).

Kalibr-NK is similar to Klub-S, that our subs currently possess.

 

[Viet]

Very interesting news, where did you find those comments about basing US forces in Danang?

ha ha ha. actually it is my personal view and prediction. I read the news from difference sources, analyze, look behind official annoucements and put all the puzzles into a picture. that is the most likely scenario if the security situation worsens. what is expected to be. Da nang is the ideal candidate at present. Cam ranh bay can offer hosting US aircraft carrier and nuclear submarines. if required.

another piece of puzzles is for instance, not only the VCP boss is making a trip to America, but half of members of Polibuero. they are the guys, that hold the highest political power in Vietnam. I think the goal is clear for this year: lifting the rest of arms embargo, establishing a economic/military partnership with the US, short before a de facto alliance. the frequency how often both sides meet is amazing.

Vietnam, U.S. jointly hold Pacific security experts' meeting | Shanghai Daily

You can do whatever you want lol. I'm not backing down, I'm just not being stupid. I'm not here to fight anyway, just here to spread the message of peace and compassion. There have always been insults used in this section and biased moderation against Vietnamese members, nothing new. What I don't like is that they are now deleting my posts and threads at will, even though I didn't break any rule (and banning other viet members at will). At the same time the Chinese trolls are free to post flame baits, racist insults, as you have noticed.

You are free to continue posting, it's up to you. I won't, it's like the mods are spitting in your face and you still want to contribute good posts and generate traffic for their forum? You'll become a joke. I'm not that stupid.

bro, I will response later to you.

 

[Carlosa]

exactly bro. I´m talking of the third batch of frigates. with fleet defense and land strike capabilities, that will become more a destroyer than a frigate. the new battleships (probably 6) would be able to take on chinese frigates and destroyers at open sea. head on. not sure about what airdefence system will be (redut or s-300 is a good bet), but RIA Novosti says Vietnam negotiates with Russia of building of warships, equipped with the Kalibr-NK, a high precision cruise missile, that can destroy enemy surface warships and land targets at ranges of up to 300 kilometers (190 miles).

Kalibr-NK is similar to Klub-S, that our subs currently possess.

Interesting, then it has to be the Admiral Gorshkov frigate or something equivalent.
No, the air defense system will not be the naval version of the S-300, that one would not fit, that one requires a big destroyer, so its probably the Redut - Poliment which actually uses the 2 shorter range missiles used in the S-400, one with a 40 km range and the other one with a 120-150 km range. That's already very good for a 4500 ton ship. That ship also uses a USSK 8 cell VLS system that can carry the Yakhon or Klub missiles so the Klub can be your land attack missiles right there.

Not bad at all.

ha ha ha. actually it is my personal view and prediction. I read the news from difference sources, analyze, look behind official annoucements and put all the puzzles into a picture. that is the most likely scenario if the security situation worsens. what is expected to be. Da nang is the ideal candidate at present. Cam ranh bay can offer hosting US aircraft carrier and nuclear submarines. if required.

another piece of puzzles is for instance, not only the VCP boss is making a trip to America, but half of members of Polibuero. they are the guys, that hold the highest political power in Vietnam. I think the goal is clear for this year: lifting the rest of arms embargo, establishing a economic/military partnership with the US, short before a de facto alliance. the frequency how often both sides meet is amazing.

Vietnam, U.S. jointly hold Pacific security experts' meeting | Shanghai Daily


bro, I will response later to you.

That's all very possible; we'll soon find out.

 

[Viet]

May 25. Surprised visit of General and defence minister Thanh to India, to PM Narendra Modi.
I make a bet: Thanh wants to know is there anything Vietnam needs to know about what Modi talked with China leader Xi Jinping recently.

@kaku1 do you know more info?

 

[Viet]

May 25, Hanoi. Japanese Airforce Chief General Harukazu Saito visits the Army Headquarter. Japan appears to want more co-operations and contacts with Vietnam People´s Army. the recent visit of two Japan P3 Patrol aircraft to Da nang airport for refueling is just the beginning.

@Nihonjin1051

 

[Carlosa]

May 25, Hanoi. Japanese Airforce Chief General Harukazu Saito visits the Army Headquarter. Japan appears to want more co-operations and contacts with Vietnam People´s Army. the recent visit of tow Japan P3 Patrol aircraft to Da nang airport for refueling is just the beginning.

@Nihonjin1051

@Nihonjin1051 Is it my imagination or are we witnessing the initial stages of a de facto military alliance between USA, Japan, Australia, Vietnam and the Philippines? There is a lot going on under the covers, we only know little bits and pieces of what is actually taking place or is being negotiated.

 

[Viet]

Su-30SM

Although Vietnam Airforce has not placed any order yet, but it appears the Su-30SM is the most likely next advanced fighter jet. Why Su-30SM, and not Su-35 (China airforce chooses Su-35S variant)?

Unlike Su-35, that only can carry Kh-31 and Kh-59 cruise missiles, Su-30SM can be equipped with India made supersonic cruise missile brahmos-A (specs: two stages, supersonic Mach 3, weight 2.5 tons, 300 kg warhead conventional, armor piercing or nuclear, 300-500km range, sea skimming, final terminal phase at 15 meters over sea level, active radar, GPS/Glonass guidance systems). the visit of General Thanh to India Prime Minister yesterday is a omen.

 

[Viet]

May 26
India and Vietnam Push Ahead with Strategic Security Cooperation | The Diplomat

 

[Carlosa]

India, Vietnam ink 5-year defence pact amid Chinese naval expansion
The document, for the period 2015-2020, was signed by the defence ministers of both countries after talks in New Delhi

A file photo of defence minister Manohar Parrikar. Photo: PTI
New Delhi:India and Vietnam late on Monday signed a five-year joint vision statement on defence cooperation to build closer strategic ties in the backdrop of an increasingly assertive China flexing its muscles in the South China Sea.
The document, for the period 2015-2020, was signed by India’s defence minister Manohar Parrikar and the Vietnamese minister for national defence General Phùng Quang Thanh after talks in New Delhi, according to a statement posted by India’s ministry of defence on social networking wesbite Facebook.
“An MoU (memorandum of understanding) on cooperation between the coast guards of the two countries was also signed in the presence of the two defence ministers,” the statement said without giving any details.
At the delegation level talks, the two sides discussed issues concerning defence cooperation, including cooperation in the area of maritime security.
“Both sides reiterated their commitment to further enhancing the ongoing defence engagements between the two sides for mutual benefit,” the statement added.
The signing of the document came on a day when Prime Minister Narendra Modi assured Thanh of India’s full commitment to the strategic partnership between the two countries during a meeting in New Delhi between the two.
Thanh, who arrived in New Delhi on Sunday, is on a three-day visit to India that comes amid growing concerns over China’s land reclamation project in the South China Sea, aimed at bolstering its territorial claims in the disputed area. The Chinese were looking at turning reefs into islands that can host airstrips and other military facilities, according to aReutersnews report.
According to news reports, the Vietnamese are keen on India training their submarirne personnel. India was also looking at selling the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile to Vietnam. But according to Indian government officials, the deal has not been finalised so far.
India and Vietnam, traditionally friendly countries, have forged an ever closer economic strategic relationship in the last decade after increasing Chinese territorial claims in the South China Sea as well as India’s own ‘Act East’ policy.
Last year, there were at least three high-level interactions between India and Vietnam in three months—foreign minister Sushma Swaraj visited Hanoi in August ahead of a visit by President Pranab Mukherjee in September. During Mukherjee’s visit, India extended Vietnam a $100 million line of credit for defence procurement. In October, Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung visited India.

 

[Viet]

the dynamic increases, the train rolls. our old friend, POW, hardliner and China hater John McCain is coming. the second prominent guest, Jack Reed is a democratic Senator, a friend and supporter of Barack Obama. Unclear what policy he follows. the Pentagon Chief Ashton Carter is expected to be in Hanoi as well. Will we witness the negotiation of Vietnam joining the US/JP alliance? How will China react?

John McCain is the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. a body that supervises the US Armed Forces. And for Vietnam, he has in the hand, the decision, if the arms embargo will be lifted completely.


US senators, led by John McCain, to visit Vietnam
Thanh Nien News

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 15:12

US Sen. John McCain in a file photo. Photo: Reuters

US senators John McCain and Jack Reed will lead a delegation of senators to Vietnam this week, AP reported.
The report quoted Reed’s office as saying the senators will meet with government officials and other Vietnamese leaders in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City to discuss security and economic issues in the Asia-Pacific region.

McCain, an Arizona Republican and former Vietnam prisoner of war, chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee while Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat, is the panel’s ranking member.

The visit is made in the context that Vietnam is celebrating 40 years since the end of the Vietnam War.

After Vietnam, the US delegation is scheduled to visit Singapore to take part in the 2015 Asia Security Summit, also known as the Shangri-La Dialogue, according to the report.

 

[Viet]

from a vietnamese defence website

vpk-news.ru reveals Vietnam pilots are expected to go to India for flight trainings on Su-30, before end of this year 2015. second, the general Manager of AVIAPROM (a body that coordinates between aircraft manufactures in the Russian Federation) states Irkut Corp., the Su-30 jet manufacture will deliver the latest advanced aircraft to Vietnam.

the stage is set for Su-30SM with brahmos-A cruise missile.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 Is it my imagination or are we witnessing the initial stages of a de facto military alliance between USA, Japan, Australia, Vietnam and the Philippines? There is a lot going on under the covers, we only know little bits and pieces of what is actually taking place or is being negotiated.

Hahahaha, it seems that the analysis of Sir @gambit is coming true. It is top priority now for Japan to establish close military strategic relationship with Vietnam and the Philippines. Oh man, I'm so excited !!

 

[Carlosa]

Hahahaha, it seems that the analysis of Sir @gambit is coming true. It is top priority now for Japan to establish close military strategic relationship with Vietnam and the Philippines. Oh man, I'm so excited !!

These are the beginning steps of setting up the foundation of the Asia Pacific NATO.

Have to admit it man, China is really doing a superb job............. alienating everybody and bringing the whole region into an alliance against them and into the welcoming arms of the US. Even if they were to do it on purpose, they couldn't do a better job. Its so easy to see how their actions are actually so counterproductive to their own interest, but they just can't help it, its in their DNA to be aggressive and a bully. Cheers to that .

Hahahaha, it seems that the analysis of Sir @gambit is coming true. It is top priority now for Japan to establish close military strategic relationship with Vietnam and the Philippines. Oh man, I'm so excited !!

Well, Japanese military planes are already flying into Vietnam and there are naval visits also, so you can bet that they are planning for a lot more than that.

 

[Viet]

Interesting, then it has to be the Admiral Gorshkov frigate or something equivalent.
No, the air defense system will not be the naval version of the S-300, that one would not fit, that one requires a big destroyer, so its probably the Redut - Poliment which actually uses the 2 shorter range missiles used in the S-400, one with a 40 km range and the other one with a 120-150 km range. That's already very good for a 4500 ton ship. That ship also uses a USSK 8 cell VLS system that can carry the Yakhon or Klub missiles so the Klub can be your land attack missiles right there.

Not bad at all.



That's all very possible; we'll soon find out.

you got the point. s-300 is too big for a 4,500 tons ship. more for a 8,000 tons plus.

 

[Viet]

a rare visit from our neighbor Thailand. off-shore patrol vessel HTMS Narathiwat from the Thai Royal Navy arrived in Saigon on May 26, starting its visit to Vietnam till May 31.

this ship is more a warship than patrol ship.