Vietnam Defence Forum

[NiceGuy]

Did u see the Nuke explode ? Whether it means Nuke is only a joke or a lie ?

We can enrich uranium to make nuke ,too, and ur leader Xi is not idiot like u to throw himself and die in nuke war with VN

 

[Carlosa]

First i admit the Argentinian Airforce and pilots fight brave in the Falklands war, but "Exocet" missiles sank Britain FFG, "bombing the british ships with regular bombs and hit a few more ships" = hit Britain cargo ships & transport ships, and they lost 2/3 "Skyhawk" A-4 fighters.

During this time, Russian need China's supports much more than others. India and Israel also has big trades with China, bigger than with Vietnam.

Argentina lost most of their Mirage lll and skyhawk's in air combat against the british Harrier jets for the most part, the rest from naval air defense.

You assume too much, Israel does good military business with Vietnam already, china will not be able to affect that (and not even think about how Israel feels after china hacked into the Iron dome system, Israel is not happy at all with china right now.

India does not care or need about the trade with China, Japan can do all the investment that India needs and they already offered it.

First i admit the Argentinian Airforce and pilots fight brave in the Falklands war, but "Exocet" missiles sank Britain FFG, "bombing the british ships with regular bombs and hit a few more ships" = hit Britain cargo ships & transport ships, and they lost 2/3 "Skyhawk" A-4 fighters.

During this time, Russian need China's supports much more than others. India and Israel also has big trades with China, bigger than with Vietnam.


Did u see the Nuke explode ? Whether it means Nuke is only a joke or a lie ?

China also needs support from Russia in dealing with USA, Its not a one way direction, they need and support each other, I don't think China can coerce Russia into cutting VN off.

 

[cnleio]

We can enrich uranium to make nuke ,too, and ur leader Xi is not idiot like u to throw himself and die in nuke war with VN

I didn't mean to throw nuke, i mean now China is playing the soft way to deal with the problem between China and Vietnam.
The war is bad for Vietnam , but good for China.

Argentina lost most of their Mirage lll and skyhawk's in air combat against the british Harrier jets for the most part, the rest from naval air defense.

You assume too much, Israel does good military business with Vietnam already, china will not be able to affect that (and not even think about how Israel feels after china hacked into the Iron dome system, Israel is not happy at all with china right now.

India does not care or need about the trade with China, Japan can do all the investment that India needs and they already offered it.

China also needs support from Russia in dealing with USA, Its not a one lane direction, they need and support each other, I don't think China can coerce Russia into cutting VN off.

LOL, im sure the Argentinean also believe the French must stand with them and will sell more "Exotet" missiles during Falklands war... but buying some billion $ weapons can't solve any problem, much less than hundred billion $ trades between nations and less important than foreign-policy interests.

 

[Carlosa]

The war is bad for Vietnam , but good for China.

Can you explain why the war is good for China?

 

[cnleio]

Can you explain why the war is good for China?

When one side's strength is ten times more than rival side, a hot-war is the fast & efficient way to solve any conflict.
U.S like this way (China maybe), except War China is good at a Battle of Attrition.

 

[NiceGuy]

When one side's strength is ten times more than rival side, a hot-war is the fast & efficient way to solve any conflict.
U.S like this way (China maybe), except War China is good at a Battle of Attrition.

No, u r not good at a Battle of Attrition. China collapse many times in history while waiting for the collapse of its enemies

 

[Carlosa]

When one side's strength is ten times more than rival side, a hot-war is the fast & efficient way to solve any conflict.
U.S like this way (China maybe), except War China is good at a Battle of Attrition.

Its not so simple, china already did tremendous damage to its international standing with the oil rig; do you think that china can just attack another country just like that and everything is ok? There are a lot of indications that USA reached the limit of their patience with china's salami slicing tactics and that from now on they will respond to any new chinese attempts to coerce others, the free ride is most likely over, china is doing a very good job at shooting itself in the foot and uniting everybody against china, which is precisely what USA wants.

 

[Viet]

how to end the arms embargo on Vietnam?

the article reveals the process. basically a majority is necessary in both chambers of Congress: the House of Representatives and Senate, plus the final approval of the US president.


US arms deal with Vietnam a simple process

TERRY F. BUSS
UPDATED : 08/30/2014 16:59 GMT + 7

Visiting US senator John McCain talks with local reporters at the American Center in Hanoi on August 8, 2014.

Editor's Note: Dr. Terry F. Buss is a fellow of the U.S. National Academy of Public Administration. He wrote this article exclusively for Tuoi Tre News.

The United States imposed an embargo on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam in 1984, but now appears to be willing to provide the Vietnamese military with the arms it needs to modernize. The Vietnamese government has for years requested a lifting of the embargo. Visits in August by highly influential US leaders, including Senator John McCain and General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, send a positive signal the US is very likely to provide weapons.

The softening of the US position on arms sales likely resulted from the so-called Pivot to Asia launched by the Obama Administration some years ago. US and Vietnamese are concerned about Chinese incursions in the region. China is laying claim to islands - the Parasels and Spratlys - just off the coast of Vietnam, as well as contesting maritime claims made by Japan and the Philippines. But the US is also interested in expanding trade in the region - the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) - not just in improving security.

Senator McCain while in Vietnam strongly suggested that an arms agreement was possible as early as September 2014. In McCain’s view, the agreement would be phased in based on resolving some human rights issues of concern to the US. These issues seem to be manageable.

Congress must enact a law

Given the importance of the arms deal to the US and Vietnam, what is the process that must be followed to approve the deal?

The Congress must enact a new law amending a 1976 law, the “Arms Export Control Act (AECA),” that forbade arms sales to Vietnam and many other countries. President Obama has no authority to authorize an arms deal on his own.

To amend AECA, both houses of Congress, the House of Representatives and Senate, must separately prepare bills that indicate how the 1976 law will be amended to accommodate Vietnam.

Members from the House and Senate then meet in a conference committee to agree on the terms of the amendment. This amendment must receive a majority of the votes before it is sent to President Obama who can then either sign it into law or veto it. The Department of State implements the law and monitors any non-compliance with the terms of the law by the Vietnamese government. Congress can stop arms sales with a joint resolution of both houses if it suspects non-compliance issues.

The process of amending existing laws can take a few days or months depending on politics, competing legislation, and congressional elections (held this November). So, McCain’s prediction of a September deal is entirely possible.

Potential sticking points

So where are the possible sticking points? We can assume that since he has sent the highest ranking military officer in the US defense forces, Obama wants to support Vietnam’s request. The sustained efforts of Secretary of State, John Kerry, and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel in support of the Asian Pivot and Vietnam in particular also suggests that the US government will not be a problem.

The only possible hitch is that Obama is consumed not only with foreign policy crises in the Middle East, Africa and Ukraine, but also with racial tensions and immigration issues in domestic policy, not to mention an upcoming congressional election. Obama has in the past been greatly distracted from Asia, missing meetings of regional leaders and not adequately building coalitions in Congress to pass his legislation, including TPP. Obama needs to put his full backing on the arms deal and make sure Congress goes along.

The House of Representatives likely poses no problem for the arms deal. The House is firmly in control of the Republican Party, meaning that the amendment will easily pass. On the Senate side, the Democrat Party is in control. Senator McCain’s support for the arms deal will carry all Republican votes in the Senate, and because he is so widely respected on foreign affairs and security issues, Democratic Senators are likely to cooperate to pass the bill. With this being an election year, there is some possibility that the Leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, might delay or kill the bill if he believes he can gain political points against Republicans or help Democrats up for election. He stated in the past that he would not allow Obama’s TPP legislation to pass in the Senate.

Opponents of the arms deal will likely raise one of two issues, one human rights and the other confronting China. Human rights issues will be greatly dampened because the law will likely phase in the components of the arms deal. And, the prospect of increased Chinese expansion and dominance in Asia is likely to lessen any of these concerns.

 

[Rechoice]

I didn't mean to throw nuke, i mean now China is playing the soft way to deal with the problem between China and Vietnam.
The war is bad for Vietnam , but good for China.

let Japanese, USA punish you again like animal in WW II, then don't cry, kid.

 

[Viet]

nice: John Kerry not only sends warm wishes, but reveals a US university (Fulbright) will be established in the near future in Saigon. a further step towards normalization.


U.S. Secretary of State Kerry congratulates Vietnam on National Day

TUOITRENEWS
UPDATED : 09/01/2014 19:14 GMT + 7

In a press statement released on August 29, the U.S. top diplomat said, “I am delighted to congratulate the people of Vietnam as you celebrate your National Day on September 2.”

He stressed that the relationship between the U.S. and Vietnam has grown in ways many would never have predicted.

“We have moved past war and division. In the years since the embargo was lifted and we achieved normalization and trade, Vietnam has become a modern nation and an important partner for the United States,” Kerry said in the message.

He added that “Vietnam is a country on the move and Vietnam’s moving.”

Kerry said his own journey with Vietnam came full circle when he visited Vietnam last December for his first time as Secretary of State.

During that trip, he had a meeting with Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pham Binh Minh, discussing the work ahead as the two countries deepen their comprehensive partnership in all fields, from trade and investment ties to people-to-people exchanges.

“To know a country as a diplomat which I first knew as a combatant in a war is an experience that says so much about the progress we have made,” the U.S. top diplomat said.

Kerry also expressed his pride to have led the efforts as a Senator to create a Fulbright Economics Teaching Program in Ho Chi Minh City.

“I am equally proud that we are now working with the Vietnamese Government to establish a Fulbright University in the near future,” he said in the message.

Vietnam has taken a long journey over these last 19 years, and as Vietnam has grown, so has the partnership between the U.S. and Vietnam, Secretary of State Kerry said.

“It has been moving and rewarding to be a partner to the Vietnamese people in that effort, and I look forward to celebrating the 20th anniversary of diplomatic ties next year,” he added.

 

[cnleio]

let Japanese, USA punish you again like animal in WW II, then don't cry, kid.

Obviously the Vietnam school didn't teach u some useful knowledge, especially bad History lesson.

Didn't Japanese starve 4million ppl in Vietnam like animals in WWII ? Kid. Without Allied Forces end Japan Empire in WWII, there's no Vietnam nation only Indochina colony of Japan Empire.

 

[Viet]

Obviously the Vietnam school didn't teach u some useful knowledge, especially bad History lesson.

Didn't Japanese starve 4million ppl in Vietnam like animals in WWII ? Kid. Without Allied Forces end Japan Empire in WWII, there's no Vietnam nation only Indochina colony of Japan Empire.

Just being curious. From where do you get the info you stated above? Can you provide the sources?

I am very keen to learn something new.

 

[Viet]

When one side's strength is ten times more than rival side, a hot-war is the fast & efficient way to solve any conflict.
U.S like this way (China maybe), except War China is good at a Battle of Attrition.

Do you love war?

Do you like to have someone pointing a gun on your head and asking what are your last words before the trigger is pulled?

Do you think winning a war is just counting the number of men and weapons?

How would your parent feel if they are informed their son is fallen?

If all answers are yes, and you are excited pls don't hesitate to join the glorious PLA and start the war against Vietnam.

I will meet you at the battlefield.

 

[Carlosa]

Do you love war?

Do you like to have someone pointing a gun on your head and asking what are your last words before the trigger is pulled?

Do you think winning a war is just counting the number of men and weapons?

How would your parent feel if they are informed their son is fallen?

If all answers are yes, and you are excited pls don't hesitate to join the glorious PLA and start the war against Vietnam.

I will meet you at the battlefield.

I very much doubt that you'll find him at the battlefield, these "warriors" talk about war, but only as long as somebody else does the fighting.

Chinese and dogs have 2 things in common, they both bark a lot and both of them love to attack when they have overwhelming superiority. A pack of dogs attacks a lone animal that can't defend itself, like a sheep, etc, chinese love to pick on the Philippines since they know that they don't have anything to defend themselves with, but when they have to really fight, they turn tail, declare victory and retreat. like they did in 1979. I don't expect China to fight Japan or USA anytime soon, they know they will lose and I don't expect them to attack Vietnam either, that 10 to 1 superiority that they claim wont save them from a real fight and a real fight is the one thing they are not willing to do.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I very much doubt that you'll find him at the battlefield, these "warriors" talk about war, but only as long as somebody else does the fighting.

Chinese and dogs have 2 things in common, they both bark a lot and both of them love to attack when they have overwhelming superiority.

That's right. We are cowards and weak. Take your islands back that we "stole" in 1974. Currently the world recognizes them as our property - that's right, not even disputed. So take "your" stuff back. Send some boats, send some protesters, anything!