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Video Shows Taliban With US Weapons

KABUL – Television footage broadcast Tuesday showed insurgents handling what appears to be U.S. ammunition in a remote area of eastern Afghanistan that American forces left last month following a deadly firefight that killed eight troops.

The U.S. military said the forces that left the area said they removed and accounted for their equipment.

Al-Jazeera broadcast video showing insurgents handling weapons, including anti-personnel mines with U.S. markings on them. The television station reported that insurgents said they seized the weapons from two U.S. remote outposts in Nuristan province. It was unclear when the video was filmed.




The ammunition could be used against U.S. and Afghan forces, although the amount shown was not extensive. However, the footage will no doubt be used by insurgent propagandists to promote their ``victory" over the Americans and encourage their supporters.

Nuristan was the site of an Oct. 3 battle in which some 200 fighters bombarded a joint U.S.-Afghan army outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenades and mortar shells. Eight U.S. troops died – as well as three Afghan soldiers – in one of the heaviest losses of U.S. life in a single battle since the war began.

Lt. Col. Todd Vician, a spokesman for NATO forces, said the material in the footage "appears to be U.S. equipment." He said it was unclear how the insurgents got the weapons.

"It's debatable whether they got them from that location," Vician said, referring to the mountainous Kamdesh district of Nuristan where the nearly six-hour battle took place.

But Gen. Mohammad Qassim Jangulbagh, provincial police chief in Nuristan, said, "The Americans left ammunition at the base."

Three American platoons were deployed at the two posts, mostly troops from Task Force Mountain Warrior of the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, based at Fort Carson, Colorado.

The U.S. destroyed most of the ammunition, but some of it fell into the hands of insurgents, Jangulbagh said.

After the attack, the Pentagon said the isolated post in Nuristan was on a list of far-flung bases that U.S. war commanders had decided were not worth keeping. The Pentagon said that decision was on the books before the assault – part of plans by top U.S. commander in Afghanistan Gen. Stanley McChrystal to shut down such isolated strongholds and focus on more heavily populated areas as part of a new strategy to protect Afghan civilians.

Jangulbagh lamented the pullback of U.S. forces from the outposts. "Unfortunately, only the police are in Nuristan. There are no foreign troops," he said.

Farooq Khan, a spokesman for the Afghan National Police in Nuristan province, also said U.S. forces left behind arms and ammunition when they left the area, which he said is now in insurgent hands.

However, Gen. Shir Mohammad Karimi, chief of operations for the Afghan Defence Ministry, was skeptical.

"As far as I know, nothing was left behind," Karimi said.
 
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However, Gen. Shir Mohammad Karimi, chief of operations for the Afghan Defence Ministry, was skeptical.

"As far as I know, nothing was left behind," Karimi said.


If nothing was left then how come the american weapons are being shown by the Afghan Mujs.
 
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"If nothing was left then how come the american weapons are being shown by the Afghan Mujs."

What weapons did you see?

I saw 40mm grenades, some small-arms ammo and a few claymore mines.

Please correct me if wrong.

As to "left behind", it is possible. It is also possible that the ammunition seen may have come from other sources using American small arms and associated ammo.

Regardless, it appeared to be a modest amount. As we are no longer there, I wonder whom they might use this ammunition against?
 
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"If nothing was left then how come the american weapons are being shown by the Afghan Mujs."

What weapons did you see?

I saw 40mm grenades, some small-arms ammo and a few claymore mines.

Please correct me if wrong.

As to "left behind", it is possible. It is also possible that the ammunition seen may have come from other sources using American small arms and associated ammo.

Regardless, it appeared to be a modest amount. As we are no longer there, I wonder whom they might use this ammunition against?

Sir, a couple of weeks back i went to a place to look for a pistol, there i saw atleast 20 US Army origin weapons with the arms dealer which comprised of M4 carbines with SOPMOD package, 2 had under barrel grenade launchers with them, M249 also was available, M16A4 too with some US Army pistols. The guy said its just nothing, hundreds are available with the tribal area based arms dealers.

So US army is/has not only lost ammo but weapons too, either during fire fights or while abandoning their bases or should i be saying deliberately giving them away, reasons best known to them.

When we had soviet occupation we had plenty of Soviet origin weapons, uptill this day we are seeing them in huge quantities, and now with US occupational forces we are gonna see US origin weapons too which by the way are slowly coming in.
 
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So US army is/has not only lost ammo but weapons too, either during fire fights or while abandoning their bases or should i be saying deliberately giving them away, reasons best known to them.
I am skeptical the US is giving weapons away itself, though recent reports have suggested that members in the ANA and Afghan Police are selling US supplied weapons illegally.

Add in the various NATO supply trucks that have been hijacked, though I am unsure whether weapons are brought in through the trucks (given the insecurity) or flown in to Afghanistan directly.
 
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You posted the video and made the assertion. I asked a simple question based upon the video you posted.

You respond with another assertion I have no way of verifying much less disputing.

Can you answer my question about the weapons you see in the video, sir? I see none and wanted to know what you saw that I didn't.

A.M. has suggested at least two sources of American weapons without leaving Michigan much less visiting an arms dealer in Pakistan. I'm surprised that you didn't consider these possibilities before including "weapons" with the observable ammunition within the video footage.

Thanks.
 
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I am skeptical the US is giving weapons away itself, though recent reports have suggested that members in the ANA and Afghan Police are selling US supplied weapons illegally.

Add in the various NATO supply trucks that have been hijacked, though I am unsure whether weapons are brought in through the trucks (given the insecurity) or flown in to Afghanistan directly.

Sir, if you look at ANA and Afghan Police they mostly are carrying Russian weapons, yes seen some with US weapons too but majority of them are having Russian origin weapons, i read somewhere that the ANA Commandos unit are fully equipped with US origin weapons and majority of the Weapons are brought in by the soldiers themselves when they arrive for their deployment. Ammo may come by road channel but weapons don't as that is the most important thing and looking at the insecure route, US will think twice before doing that. And the ANA guys selling weapons are the ones supplied by US, it does not necessarily means they are of US origin but weapons bought by US from other sources and provided to Afghan forces.

I believe these are the ones left either during fire fights or abandoned.

But sometimes the movie Lord of War also comes into the mind, hope so you have watched it, if not do watch, shows a lot about the international arms trafficking.
 
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As I remember, few months back Talibans stole a huge cache of U.S. Army weapons from Afghanistan from a depot. Even ISPR Major General Athar Abbas, in a Press Conference in May, did say that US weapons stolen from Afghanistan were being used against security forces in Swat and FATA. ISPR Athar Abbas also said that United States should stop worrying about the Pakistani nukes and start securing and thinking about the weapons lost in Afghanistan. That was in May 2009.
 
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Sir, if you look at ANA and Afghan Police they mostly are carrying Russian weapons, yes seen some with US weapons too but majority of them are having Russian origin weapons, i read somewhere that the ANA Commandos unit are fully equipped with US origin weapons and majority of the Weapons are brought in by the soldiers themselves when they arrive for their deployment. Ammo may come by road channel but weapons don't as that is the most important thing and looking at the insecure route, US will think twice before doing that. And the ANA guys selling weapons are the ones supplied by US, it does not necessarily means they are of US origin but weapons bought by US from other sources and provided to Afghan forces.

I believe these are the ones left either during fire fights or abandoned.

But sometimes the movie Lord of War also comes into the mind, hope so you have watched it, if not do watch, shows a lot about the international arms trafficking.

It could be a combination of all of that, but my point is that there is little to suggest that the US may deliberately be providing US origin weapons on the black market.
 
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All those who live in Peshawar know where to find American Equipment. Sitara Market Karkhano Bazaar. However the rules are strict now . Few years back the bullet proof jackets of US origins were also available there. I am not saying that US were supplying those jackets or they were captured from US soldiers. One of the store keeper told me that ANA Generals and Afghan Govt. are selling these in Black market.
 
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It could be a combination of all of that, but my point is that there is little to suggest that the US may deliberately be providing US origin weapons on the black market.

Undoubtedly they are through different channels .
I went to a bara market at Chamun Border , You can easily buy a US made M-16 rifles from there .

But a part from this alot of stuf of US origin can be seen there in that market like Cooking Oil given by US as food aid ..US Army Garments ... Even the NVGs .
Most likely the stuff gets smuggled to Pakistani Markets from that side .
 
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