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[arjunk]

The cances of Russia invading Ukraine are zero as well, since Russia would get annihilated

Ukraine will not annihilate Russia in any scenario, and if the west provides so much support that Russia would be annihilated then Russia would go nuclear. Maybe an insurgency against Russian occupation similar to Afghanistan is the best option for the west, if they are willing to deal with the consequences (look at Pakistan's militancy issues as a result of the soviet afghan war).

You tell me, do you think it's worth glassing North Eurasia and America for Ukraine?

 

[Apollon]

Ukraine will not annihilate Russia in any scenario, and if the west provides so much support that Russia would be annihilated then Russia would go nuclear. Maybe an insurgency against Russian occupation similar to Afghanistan is the best option for the west, if they are willing to deal with the consequences (look at Pakistan's militancy issues as a result of the soviet afghan war).

You tell me, do you think it's worth glassing North Eurasia and America for Ukraine?

A complete economic annihilation would be better.

The problem is, when you sacrifice Ukraine, next would be Poland and the Baltics. Then Sweden and Finland and so on. The moment you give up on tyrannical regimes, you lose. Look at Hitler in 1938, same thing.

 

[LeGenD]

A complete economic annihilation would be better.

The problem is, when you sacrifice Ukraine, next would be Poland and the Baltics. Then Sweden and Finland and so on. The moment you give up on tyrannical regimes, you lose. Look at Hitler in 1938, same thing.

Russia will not touch NATO member states - not feasible.

The prospects of Ukraine joining NATO at some point in time have spooked Russia (understandably). Russia would like to maintain a buffer zone between itself and NATO member states and Ukraine should be non-aligned in its strategic calculus at minimum. Tough situation TBH.

Hitler was dealing with a different Europe which was split on political lines and more. Putin cannot emulate his moves.

 

[Apollon]

Russia will not touch NATO member states - not feasible.

The prospects of Ukraine joining NATO at some point in time have spooked Russia (understandably). Russia would like to maintain a buffer zone between itself and NATO member states and Ukraine should be non-aligned in its strategic calculus at minimum. Tough situation TBH.

Hitler was dealing with a different Europe which was split on political lines and more. Putin cannot emulate his moves.

Putin is not trustworthy, thats the thing. Why you think that now even Sweden or Finland want join NATO? They think they would be next and thats understandable.

Putin gives NATO a massive boost and i dont know if he realizes how much things changed because Ukraine.

Beside that he doesnt understand that times changed. Its not up to Russia to decide what alliances a free Ukraine joins.

 

[Beast]

Maybe i have to explain to you freedom and democracy. Its totally irrelevant want Russia wants. Ukraine decides its fate. Russia is a facist dictatorship that offers nothing but misery. Thats the core issue why evryone around it wants to escape its influence. It simply has nothing to offer. Add the fact that they genocided millions of Ukrainians in early 20th century under Stalin and you will realize that Russia has lost this.

Here are the core points:

- freedom of nations to chose their alliances

- guaranteed integrity of a nation states borders


If you sacrifice Ukraine it will be like Hitler in 1938, when appeasement was used and Czech Republic sacrificed to the Nazis. Next would be Poland, Sweden, Norway and the Baltics.


So whats the goal now? Ukraine gets pushed up with weapons to make any invasion attempt of Putin an expensive one. Add that there is the threat of Russia being blocked out of SWIFT which would be the nuclear kill button for Russia.

Its in Russias hands now, if Putin invades Ukraine he risks the complete annihilation of the russian economy and casualities in the tenthousands. Ukrainians have become fiercly defendents of their nation and are equipped now with advanced weapon systems.


Oh and Putin managed that Sweden now thinks about joining NATO as well, simply because its security is seen in danger from Russian attempts to invade as well.



The cances of Russia invading Ukraine are zero as well, since Russia would get annihilated. The threat of being cut of SWIFT as nuclear option is enough to prevent this anways.

Putin is a rather simple dictator and ageing but he is not an idiot. He knows 100% that the West will not accept any attempts of Russia to gain influence in Europe. So what we will see is a stall in the status quo.

No country can annihilate Russia becos they got 7000 nuke warhead.

If Russia fully embrace China rmb and our financial system. SWIFT sanction will have little value but of cos, Russia economy will be at mercy of China but China has more to gain with an alliance with Russia.

A complete economic annihilation would be better.

The problem is, when you sacrifice Ukraine, next would be Poland and the Baltics. Then Sweden and Finland and so on. The moment you give up on tyrannical regimes, you lose. Look at Hitler in 1938, same thing.

Typical war threat scenario from western. Why Finland and Sweden can lived peacefully for past 77 years after WWII?

 

[Apollon]

No country can annihilate Russia becos they got 7000 nuke warhead.

If Russia fully embrace China rmb and our financial system. SWIFT sanction will have little value but of cos, Russia economy will be at mercy of China but China has more to gain with an alliance with Russia.


Typical war threat scenario from western. Why Finland and Sweden can lived peacefully for past 77 years after WWII?

You cant eat 7000 nuclear warheads. When kicked out of SWIFT, your economy is dead. Its that simple. China depends on SWIFT as well, so no transaction can reach russian banks.

Also you are wrong, Russia constantly threatened Finland in last 70 years.

In December 2021 Russia openly threatened Finland not to join NATO, same as 2014 was done with Ukraine. This was the point where Finland publicly declared this:

However, on the 1 January 2022, Finland's president, Sauli Niinistö, reasserted Finnish sovereignty by stating that the Finnish government reserved the right to apply for NATO membership. Furthermore, Niinistö said that Russian demands threaten the "European security order". Additionally, he believes that transatlantic cooperation is needed for the maintenance of sovereignty and security of some EU member states, including Finland.



Its russia that pushs all those countries to NATO

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just acrobatics at sea , Russia will pounce on Ukraine NATO will just do acrobatics and then claim , it is Ukraines fault

 

[Beast]

You cant eat 7000 nuclear warheads. When kicked out of SWIFT, your economy is dead. Its that simple. China depends on SWIFT as well, so no transaction can reach russian banks.

China is also using swift but do American dare to sanction China with swift. Do you even understand the concept of swift? China high volume trade is one big reason for contribution and wealth of US dollar. China economy is simply too big to be sanction. That is why China can play trade war with US and not a single dent. The US trade congress even lobby for the tariff to be lifted on Chinese goods to fight inflation. Who is winning and who is losing? I dont think we need a professor to tell u the answer.

 

[Apollon]

China is also using swift but do American dare to sanction China with swift. Do you even understand the concept of swift? China high volume trade is one big reason for contribution and wealth of US dollar. China economy is simply too big to be sanction. That is why China can play trade war with US and not a single dent. The US trade congress even lobby for the tariff to be lifted on Chinese goods to fight inflation. Who is winning and who is losing? I dont think we need a professor to tell u the answer.

This is not about China but about the poor country Russia

 

[Beast]

This is not about China but about the poor country Russia

You need to understand , with China financial support. Any sanction against Russia are quite futile. US sanction simply just push Russia to embrace China economy and rmb further and decouple from EU and western financial system.

 

[Apollon]

You need to understand , with China financial support. Any sanction against Russia are quite futile. US sanction simply just push Russia to embrace China economy and rmb further and decouple from EU and western financial system.

Thats not how China works and you know that as well. China needs Europe against UsA, not shithole russia and fore exactly that reason China will stay silent aside some warm words. China knows very well that Putin would next attack the baltics and finland. Then poland would be next.

We have our differences with China but the basic goals are the same. For same reason China never supported catalonia independence.

This is a 3 power game. USA, EU and China. Both China and USA fight to win EU support. Trumps clumsy politics against Europe and China at same time made him fail and Xi knows that. Russia with its tiny economy simply is not worth to break with Europe.

 

[dBSPL]

Russia will not touch NATO member states - not feasible.

The prospects of Ukraine joining NATO at some point in time have spooked Russia (understandably). Russia would like to maintain a buffer zone between itself and NATO member states and Ukraine should be non-aligned in its strategic calculus at minimum. Tough situation TBH.

Hitler was dealing with a different Europe which was split on political lines and more. Putin cannot emulate his moves.

Ukraine (and Georgia) cannot join NATO anyway. They are(mostly UK and USA) deceiving Ukraine, and this deception story has become a useful tool in Russia's game of monopoly in the region.

Logically, states with border problems or occupied territories cannot become members of NATO. If they become a member, NATO is automatically forced to go to war as per Article 5, which includes the provision "all for one". 30 countries must decide to go to war. And that's not possible right now. Therefore, states such as Ukraine and Georgia cannot become members of NATO as long as their lands are occupied or unless they officially recognized to give up these lands to Russia.

That's why, at a press conference with the French leader last week, Putin made a shocking statement to a European journalist's question: "We consider NATO militarily stronger than us, but we are the most important nuclear power, everyone will suffer." The options presented by Russia are either that Ukraine will accept partition and enter NATO, or that Ukraine will plunge all of Europe into a nuclear war for nothing(mean from french point of view.) Or NATO will step back and it will be the turn of countries like Romania and Bulgaria.

Because of this stalemate, the discourse of joining NATO in 2019 is not in the foreground at the moment and alternative strategies are being worked on for Ukraine.