Vertical Launch Astra Based Air Defence System (LLQRM) Under Development

[Indian Patriot]

And that makes Gripen more Indigenous thsn LCA..lmao

Yes, in comparison to Tejas it sure is and Grippen is a much better aircraft.

Answer me moron, if Tejas is so good why go for MMRCA? MMRCA is the future whereas Tejas is a Mig-21 replacement which will be inducted just to keep up numbers.

Nice joke kid.Just google 'LCA mk 2'.

Ok "kid", how many squadrons of "Mk.2" is there in IAF. Or at least tell me the progress of Mk.2.

Do you have any idea how old Rafale is ? Any idea about the technological base & experience of major engine manufacturers like GE ?

If you honestly compare Rafale with LCA then you deserve a tight slap. If Rafale and Tejas are equal then why is Modi going to France asking for Rafales?

And still,Sweden went for GE engines to power their Gripens,right ?

Grippen is not the first aircraft Sweden designed and if you are not aware of Swedish weapons don't make a laughing stock of yourself. Bofors is Swedish in case you never realised.

And how many countries are even interested in this LCA? Name me one country no, Answer me no.

Reply with facts,you moron.

You understand "facts"?

Trolls like you can only blabber about 'foreign hands' and 'massive design assistance'.You are yet to give any proof

So the Vikramaditya is Indian? The Shamsher strike aircraft, Sindughosh-class submarines, INS Chakra, Brahmos, Bheesma Tank, Sarath APC etc. are all Indian?

I thought they were just Indian names for Gorshkov, Jaguar, Kilo-class, Akula-class, T-90 and BMP-2.

Yeah,now you are showing your true colors false flag troll.Not many Pakistanis in this forum would deny North Korean & Chinese involvement in the early years of their missile program.

Keep your keyboard battles in your pocket you matric failed loser. Internet wars of patriotism might seem very exciting, thrilling and engrossing for kids like you who have yet not reached puberty. It is down right embarrassing and disgusting for mature adults.

And really why accuse the Pakistanis when India is doing the same?

The PWR on the INS Arihant is an indian design.Now go kill yourself.

LOL!! The name Arihant is Indian for sure, rest which components are actually Indian is open for debate.

Another ridiculous claim.Italians were consulted for the 28000 tonne STOVL carrier and not the IAC 1.And what does Vikramaditya have to do with IAC 1 ?

I thought India can design every weapon and does not need consultation. Why are you admitting that India needs MASSIVE foreign help in building weapons? India does not know how to build 28,000 tonne STOVL carrier?

And if India was so self-sufficient then Russia would not have succeeded in making an ENORMOUS profit by selling soviet era scrap. Were you born when Russia was blackmailing India over Gorshkov and additional payments? How old are you son?

You're too dumb.

You can't back your claims so the other person is dumb? God you have not even left your diapers yet.

@Indian Patriot : I am getting a feeling that you are trying to teach some fools around here. You are sure that LCA along with all other stuff is just a facade for corruption and money pit which these silly organization like DRDO, ADA and HAL are using to line their already fat pockets. So please enlighten these keyboard warriors with hard proof. Sorry donn enlighten, just hit them with all the hard proof you can get your hand on.
See this is what I am talking. Now hit them with evidence like how LCA which they jump saying is 7th gen is nothing more than 2nd gen. I would have done it for you but you seem like you know what you are doing and I am noob anyways.

There are some Indians here who resemble Gandhiji ke 3 bandar. They see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Evil would be too strong a word here so let's use the word FLAW. For them everything is perfect and there is no scope or even the need for improvement. Anybody who suggests otherwise is either a traitor or a false flagger.

I don't suffer from their brain-dead "internet nationalism". I reserve the right to call a spade a spade. Indian defence industry background is pathetic and I will say it so. Indian research n development is a joke and I will say it so.

I might have given LCA too much credit by calling it 3.5, but I will give it the benefit of doubt. At least the airframes will be newer than the Mig-21. If some fools think the LCA is of the same caliber as the F-22, F-35 or even Rafale then it shows their stupidity.

 

[kṣamā]

There are some Indians here who resemble Gandhiji ke 3 bandar. They see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Evil would be too strong a word here so let's use the word FLAW. For them everything is perfect and there is no scope or even the need for improvement. Anybody who suggests otherwise is either a traitor or a false flagger.

I don't suffer from their brain-dead "internet nationalism". I reserve the right to call a spade a spade. Indian defence industry background is pathetic and I will say it so. Indian research n development is a joke and I will say it so.

I might have given LCA too much credit by calling it 3.5, but I will give it the benefit of doubt. At least the airframes will be newer than the Mig-21. If some fools think the LCA is of the same caliber as the F-22, F-35 or even Rafale then it shows their stupidity.

Sorry sir u might be mistaken me for chit chat kind, but I am the total opposite of it. I would be highly grateful if you can smite these @glsv mk3 ,@ni8mare and band with hard evidence like some, I dunno, Aerodynamic study, Wing Loading Data, Thrust Performance etc. It would be great to see them flea.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Sorry sir u might be mistaken me for chit chat kind, but I am the total opposite of it. I would be highly grateful if you can smite these @glsv mk3 ,@ni8mare and band with hard evidence like some, I dunno, Aerodynamic study, Wing Loading Data, Thrust Performance etc. It would be great to see them flea.

I have not mistaken you. And it is extremely hard to show sense to these morons. After all I was called a false flag for saying INSAS is a sh1tty rifle. It was they who would go on a pseudo-technical lecture about mettalurgy, ballistics, rifling bla bla bla to prove INSAS is world's best rifle.

Never mind that the only foreign country to buy INSAS abused it so badly that Indian govt. was forced to put the blame on that country's soldiers lack of discipline. Those same soldiers are the BEST in Indian army. Never mind that INSAS is hated and abused by Indian army soldiers themselves. Never mind that INSAS was a miserable flop in Kargil. Never mind that not a single crack Indian army unit would touch the INSAS with a barge-pole.

For them INSAS is world's best rifle.

Similarly for them LCA is a 5th gen aircraft and Indian defence research is best in the world.

 

[kṣamā]

I have not mistaken you. And it is extremely hard to show sense to these morons. After all I was called a false flag for saying INSAS is a sh1tty rifle. It was they who would go on a pseudo-technical lecture about mettalurgy, ballistics, rifling bla bla bla to prove INSAS is world's best rifle.

Never mind that the only foreign country to buy INSAS abused it so badly that Indian govt. was forced to put the blame on that country's soldiers lack of discipline. Those same soldiers are the BEST in Indian army. Never mind that INSAS is hated and abused by Indian army soldiers themselves. Never mind that INSAS was a miserable flop in Kargil. Never mind that not a single crack Indian army unit would touch the INSAS with a barge-pole.

For them INSAS is world's best rifle.

Similarly for them LCA is a 5th gen aircraft and Indian defence research is best in the world.

Again Sir, as I said I am not a person of mere words but evidence. If am to say system A is shit then I will provide proof for it, if someone disagrees they can bring on their proof for it. That's how stuff works. No one will ever take your or mine word as gospel until you prove it to them. Forget others will you believe if I say ? No, right ? I will have to prove the stuff to you. But if someone go on saying M1A1 is better than F35 bcoz it is operational ,inducted in service and many countries are ordering it, then even a retard will say that someone is a certified Moron !!

TLDR; Present Logical Arguments And Provide Backing Proof [ The burden of proof lies on you. Just as you cannot disprove a Science law by saying "Figure it out yourself " !!]

 

[Indian Patriot]

Again Sir, as I said I am not a person of mere words but evidence. If am to say system A is shit then I will provide proof for it, if someone disagrees they can bring on their proof for it. That's how stuff works. No one will ever take your or mine word as gospel until you prove it to them. Forget others will you believe if I say ? No, right ? I will have to prove the stuff to you. But if someone go on saying M1A1 is better than F35 bcoz it is operational ,inducted in service and many countries are ordering it, then even a retard will say that someone is a certified Moron !!

TLDR; Present Logical Arguments And Provide Backing Proof [ The burden of proof lies on you. Just as you cannot disprove a Science law by saying "Figure it out yourself " !!]

Are YOU trying to say LCA is better than Grippen?

I will give you evidence you require. But tell me one thing my dear friend. If LCA is better than Grippen or at least equal to it then why was Grippen in the MMRCA deal and not the LCA? Why even go for MMRCA when we have a solid "4th gen aircraft" lol:) like the Tejas in the inventory?

Answer me these simple questions and I will be happy to answer your queries.

 

[HariPrasad]

Are YOU trying to say LCA is better than Grippen?

I will give you evidence you require. But tell me one thing my dear friend. If LCA is better than Grippen or at least equal to it then why was Grippen in the MMRCA deal and not the LCA? Why even go for MMRCA when we have a solid "4th gen aircraft" lol:) like the Tejas in the inventory?

Answer me these simple questions and I will be happy to answer your queries.

LCA in its current form is equal to Grippen B. MK2 shall be somewhere between C & D. Saab has come out with Grippen E and NG. We can think of matching the same in LCA MK 3 Version.

 

[Indian Patriot]

LCA in its current form is equal to Grippen B. MK2 shall be somewhere between C & D. Saab has come out with Grippen E and NG. We can think of matching the same in LCA MK 3 Version.

I respect your nationalism but you are deluded. If LCA is indeed equal to a Gripen then why the fcuk was it even invited in MMRCA? India is already in the process of estimating and evaluating the Tejas. Suppose the Gripen did make the cut so was the IAF supposed to jettison the LCA or was they supposed to induct both LCA and Gripen? A funny thing because according to you both are the same equal. So why have one Indian and another foreign?

LCA is at the bottom of the heap. It is not even a 4th gen aircraft. SAAB will get a cardiac arrest if they hear LCA is as good as Gripen.

The Gripen can take of from snow coevered/unprepared airfields. Can the Tejas do the same?

 

[HariPrasad]

I respect your nationalism but you are deluded. If LCA is indeed equal to a Gripen then why the fcuk was it even invited in MMRCA? India is already in the process of estimating and evaluating the Tejas. Suppose the Gripen did make the cut so was the IAF supposed to jettison the LCA or was they supposed to induct both LCA and Gripen? A funny thing because according to you both are the same equal. So why have one Indian and another foreign?

LCA is at the bottom of the heap. It is not even a 4th gen aircraft. SAAB will get a cardiac arrest if they hear LCA is as good as Gripen.

The Gripen can take of from snow coevered/unprepared airfields. Can the Tejas do the same?

DO you even know the difference between Different versions of Grippen. MMRCA was called on for medium weight fighters and not for LCA class fighters weighing 6 to 6.5 tons. Like we eveloved from Prithvi to A5, This is an evolutionary process. LCA has emerged as a very good fighter and in its new Avatar in MK2 , It promises a lot. 5 to 10 % aerodynamic improvement and 7% weight reduction to high agility and speed with atlest 25% higher T/W ratio. No doubt it will not be equal to gripen NG but it will bridge a lots of GAP between current LCA and Latest Gripen.

Let me tell you that new light weight wing redesigns and Intake redesign work is on. That shall give even current LCA a very decent performance.

 

[Indian Patriot]

DO you even know the difference between Different versions of Grippen. MMRCA was called on for medium weight fighters and not for LCA class fighters weighing 6 to 6.5 tons. Like we eveloved from Prithvi to A5, This is an evolutionary process. LCA has emerged as a very good fighter and in its new Avatar in MK2 , It promises a lot. 5 to 10 % aerodynamic improvement and 7% weight reduction to high agility and speed with atlest 25% higher T/W ratio. No doubt it will not be equal to gripen NG but it will bridge a lots of GAP between current LCA and Latest Gripen.

I know that not a single version of LCA is equal to Gripen.

Let us wait for this Mk2 first. On one hand we have a 4+ gen fighter that can take off from frozen runways and in extreme weather conditions and on the other hand we have an aircraft in the work since decades.

10% improvement from what? A mig-21 60% improvement means nothing. So what is the context for 10% improvement?

 

[sathya]

Whatever .. Gripen beats LCA hands down..
So be it..

But for us, LCA offers the most than gripen hands down..

 

[HariPrasad]

I know that not a single version of LCA is equal to Gripen.

Let us wait for this Mk2 first. On one hand we have a 4+ gen fighter that can take off from frozen runways and in extreme weather conditions and on the other hand we have an aircraft in the work since decades.

10% improvement from what? A mig-21 60% improvement means nothing. So what is the context for 10% improvement?

Look LCA has no version currently but gripen has up to E. LCA too have undergone so many test and if required, it can be made to take off from snowy airfield. Do you know anything about cold whether trial of LCA. How its engine started multiple time with partly charged battery, How it easily took off with designed weight to test it with more load, do you know that climb rate of LCA Navy found to double that expected (10.5 against 5.5 expected). Do you know that Gripen and other fighters has failed to perform as expected in MMRCA trial in Himalaya (Only Rafale performed well) . It is not easy for any fighter to perform well in hot and humid conditions of Goa or rajasthan. Whatever performance of european fighters what you see will down by few percentage if tested in indian conditions.

 

[kṣamā]

Are YOU trying to say LCA is better than Grippen?

I will give you evidence you require. But tell me one thing my dear friend. If LCA is better than Grippen or at least equal to it then why was Grippen in the MMRCA deal and not the LCA? Why even go for MMRCA when we have a solid "4th gen aircraft" lol:) like the Tejas in the inventory?

Answer me these simple questions and I will be happy to answer your queries.

I dinn say that. Its you who is saying that. I nether agree nor dis-agree with you. If you say Gripen product than LCA then by all means prove it. And pls donn just give the sales nos, by that logic Enterprise Class Carriers is inferior to TI-Class Supertankers or F35 is inferior to F-16 !!

 

[Indian Patriot]

I dinn say that. Its you who is saying that. I nether agree nor dis-agree with you. If you say Gripen product than LCA then by all means prove it. And pls donn just give the sales nos, by that logic Enterprise Class Carriers is inferior to TI-Class Supertankers or F35 is inferior to F-16 !!

Gripen can take off from frozen/snow covered/ damaged runways; your precious Tejas cannot. End of argument.

As for sales figures. It does not even come into play. Nobody except India will but Indian defence products, so a fair comparison cannot be expected. I did not know India can produce super-tankers, oh sorry bad joke. And yes F-16 is technically inferior to F-35. F-16 has a proven war record, F-35 does not. F-16 is inducted by the hundreds in USAF and around many world air forces, the F-35 has not. So in technicality the F-16 will hold the edge until and unless F-35 sees combat.

 

[kaku1]

@Indian Patriot Now no shit. Please explain 3.5 gen fighter aircraft.

What are criteria?

 

[Indian Patriot]

Look LCA has no version currently but gripen has up to E. LCA too have undergone so many test and if required, it can be made to take off from snowy airfield.

Come on, it is not that easy. Its not like you change a wheel and make it take off from frozen air fields. Do you know why US still has propeller powered transport aircraft? Because these type of aircraft can practically land/take off from anywhere as long as the surface is reasonably flat and hard. Propeller driven aircraft can take off from a cricket-pitch flat plain. Try doing that with a jet powered aircraft and watch it crash.

The Gripen is a jet and yet it can take off/land from unprepared airfields. THAT is a MAJOR plus point in combat situation.

Do you know anything about cold whether trial of LCA. How its engine started multiple time with partly charged battery, How it easily took off with designed weight to test it with more load, do you know that climb rate of LCA Navy found to double that expected (10.5 against 5.5 expected). Do you know that Gripen and other fighters has failed to perform as expected in MMRCA trial in Himalaya (Only Rafale performed well) . It is not easy for any fighter to perform well in hot and humid conditions of Goa or rajasthan. Whatever performance of european fighters what you see will down by few percentage if tested in indian conditions.

I don't know much about the trials of LCA. What I do know it has yet to be inducted and a second version has to be developed because the first one is obviously not good enough. And yes, the Mk.2 version is still not done.

MMRCA test details are not made public, unless they do I refuse to believe why the Gripen was rejected. The army has time and again refused Indian products that time you accuse the army of corruption. LOL!!

Indian fighters are so perfect that they are still undergoing trials.