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Vertical Launch Astra Based Air Defence System (LLQRM) Under Development

Listen here you teenage punk. First of all learn to talk with respect. And you posted "LMAO" in resonse when I said Arjun, LCA etc needs massive foreign inputs.

You moron, do you even know about the engines powering Arjun and LCA? While LCA was stalled for so many years because of American sanctions that stopped export of American engines for the tejas?

Fools like you know nothing except living under the shadow of falsehood. So just STFU and FO from here.

And I asked you if you can prove Indian R&D is worth anything without ToT. As usual you resort to lies and personal attacks to hide your shame. Too bad that morons and losers like you are in India group.
delays in LCA were mostly deu to UPAs incompetence and corruption while IAF top brass and MOD baboons also wanted a cut so kept on changing the goal posts for LCA they very happy in getting exorbitant and illogical upgrades for Jags & M2ks and very happy killing rookie pilots in migs but kept on sctulling LCA with one problem or the other

but new govt / PMO & DM wants to accelarate R&D and procuremnt of LCA for whichthey are in talks with a few western compnies and a few private indian compnies

more than MK2 new DM wants to "push the tehnikal envelope" of LCA MK 1 while his main focus is on accelarating R&D on AMCA

remmeber so called "mini MMRCA" is new name for gapfiller Mig 21& 27 while the future is all about 5th gen so why waste more time & resources on any forign platform

till FGFA arrives there wont be any more western MMRCA fighter exept a squad more of FFB Rafales ....period

this news of so called "Mini MMRCA" is fabricated and flaselli spread by yellow paid media and there advetisers@ western fighter makers
 
delays in LCA were mostly deu to UPAs incompetence and corruption while IAF top brass and MOD baboons also wanted a cut so kept on changing the goal posts for LCA they very happy in getting exorbitant and illogical upgrades for Jags & M2ks and very happy killing rookie pilots in migs but kept on sctulling LCA with one problem or the other

but new govt / PMO & DM wants to accelarate R&D and procuremnt of LCA for whichthey are in talks with a few western compnies and a few private indian compnies

more than MK2 new DM wants to "push the tehnikal envelope" of LCA MK 1 while his main focus is on accelarating R&D on AMCA

remmeber so called "mini MMRCA" is new name for gapfiller Mig 21& 27 while the future is all about 5th gen so why waste more time & resources on any forign platform

till FGFA arrives there wont be any more western MMRCA fighter exept a squad more of FFB Rafales ....period

this news of so called "Mini MMRCA" is fabricated and flaselli spread by yellow paid media and there advetisers@ western fighter makers

problem here is LCA was conceived as a replacement for mig-21s. By the time mig-21s are completely replaced 5th gen would be the norm and LCA will be obsolete just like mig-21 is obsolete today.
 
Please compare LCA and Gripen weight and mission specs. Hardly any difference.

I have not mentioned anything about MK2. The reason I am pessimistic about MK2 is because MK1 which is the present model took an awful lot of time to materialise. Let the MK2 come out and if it is a world class plane then I will only be too happy to be proved wrong.
thingis M Parikerris pushing for allearating R&D on existing LCA MK1and wants to put an Indian made AESA based Radar, self protection and EW suite while a minor adjustments to its landing gear& cockpit layowt and possiballi abetter version of GE 404 maybe GE 414 itself and make it in huge nubers with help of foriegn and indian private contractors/firms but there wont beany grippen or F 16....period while his main focus right now AMCA
 
You called me friend,
I have mistaken you for one..
One of my friend he-man, is as pessimistic as you..
Thought u were him..
It looks like i have mistaken, my friend usually gives a scientific explanation along with his
Pessimistic reply
I know him more than anyone else here.

I fought with him when he even joined his first forum, IDF. But then we become good friends. He is definitely not he-man. He man was much more knowledgeable person.
 
problem here is LCA was conceived as a replacement for mig-21s. By the time mig-21s are completely replaced 5th gen would be the norm and LCA will be obsolete just like mig-21 is obsolete today.
well we are not pakistan who will be "helped" by its "friends not masters , all weather friends or bortherlli muslim nations" by AID , war remitennce or free crude oil we have to make most of it with what we have IAF has been given an olive branch with 3 FFB rafale squads + 1 more is on the cards now they have to make LCA work causethey wontbe getting any foriegn fighter till FGFA comes
 
thingis M Parikerris pushing for allearating R&D on existing LCA MK1and wants to put an Indian made AESA based Radar, self protection and EW suite while a minor adjustments to its landing gear& cockpit layowt and possiballi abetter version of GE 404 maybe GE 414 itself and make it in huge nubers with help of foriegn and indian private contractors/firms but there wont beany grippen or F 16....period while his main focus right now AMCA

IAF needs LCA for numbers. Induct the LCA the way it is and focus on future projects. Stealth is the future with every country investing in stealth tech. The damn Chinese are already operating two types of 5th gen aircraft and one is up for sale. Expect our western friends to buy 60-70 of Chinese 5th gen aircraft. Tejas will not be of much use then.

Use 70-80 LCA now as a stop gapper and face saver. Invest in FGFA and AMCA. At max. use LCA as AJT which is also a cool move. In 2020-25 the LCA will be obsolete.

well we are not pakistan who will be "helped" by its "friends not masters , all weather friends or bortherlli muslim nations" by AID , war remitennce or free crude oil we have to make most of it with what we have IAF has been given an olive branch with 3 FFB rafale squads + 1 more is on the cards now they have to make LCA work causethey wontbe getting any foriegn fighter till FGFA comes

Israel, Russia, France all will be willing to help provided India is sincere about the project and does not take 10 years to cancel MMRCA. Indian delays are a BIG minus point.
 
IAF needs LCA for numbers. Induct the LCA the way it is and focus on future projects. Stealth is the future with every country investing in stealth tech. The damn Chinese are already operating two types of 5th gen aircraft and one is up for sale. Expect our western friends to buy 60-70 of Chinese 5th gen aircraft. Tejas will not be of much use then.

Use 70-80 LCA now as a stop gapper and face saver. Invest in FGFA and AMCA. At max. use LCA as AJT which is also a cool move. In 2020-25 the LCA will be obsolete.



Israel, Russia, France all will be willing to help provided India is sincere about the project and does not take 10 years to cancel MMRCA. Indian delays are a BIG minus point.
well can u sir turn back the clock ? so we have to make the best use of owr assets we have "one bird in hand is better than two birds in the bush"

Both Parikker and PMO have given the same option to IAF they have now to work constantlli makers of LCA with dedication to make LCA what it was intended to be and more they have no other choice
 
Both Parikker and PMO have given the same option to IAF they have now to work constantlli makers of LCA with dedication to make LCA what it was intended to be and more they have no other choice

Time is the essence. Instead of spending money and time on MK.2 of LCA invest the same in AMCA. LCA was a tech demonstrator and it was a reasonable success. No reason to built 100 of the same and induct them. You don't waste money on Honda City when you have money to buy BMW6.
 
@ni8mare


Research? You trolls even know the meaning of that word?



Morons like you cannot differentiate between a mortar and an artillery gun and you have become a "think tank" here. Wonders!! You have no counter-arguments or facts to back your stupid and extremely stupid claims and you talk about research. A new word you learned?

Well, first, learn manners before you get into an discussion.
As far as research is concerned, I have enough credentials to say I have done my bit in he industry, that may not be a lot but still enough to discuss and learn here on the forum.

Before you make derogatory statements against me, my humble advice is to calm down, and engage in a polite discussion. Having an alternate viewpoint is ok, but calling everyone else as a troll or moron, is not. Hope you get what I am saying.

regards.
 
First learn to debate with facts instead of acting like a grumpy little kid handing out negative ratings because your fragile ego got bruised.

You were in the Indian defence industry? Given what the Indian defence industry has managed to churn out that's nothing to boast about. If you are in Boeing, Lockheed Martin then sure boast ahead.

I cannot take kids like you seriously who use emotions rather than common sense.

Given the budgets, resources and availability of skill, Indian defence industry has done what it can. Has it been impressive no, but that doesn't give any kid the right to malign the hard work of thousands of engineers and technicains who take pride in their work. Every thing from evolution of our indigenous RV's from mk2 to mk6, solid fueled BM's, to the nuclear program to the customization of foreign systems has sweat and tears of thousands of engineers and technicians in India like me. Individuals who have not made a single contribution to industry and coming around to pass blanket statements to say every thing is imported and we have done nothing is offensive and ignorant to me. Thats it.

As far as negative rating are concerned, follow the rules of the forum and you would get none, if you feel there has been an unfair rating contest it with the mod's and they will be more than happy to reverse it.

regards
 
@ Indian patriot

U are Indian with Phd right?
And have published papers which are confidential right?
what did you contribute to our country, why is it still pathetic?
Aren't your papers not worthy to lift our country's credentials even a tiny bit?

Why are not having any pride in it?
if you have so much concern why dont you and ur reasearch buddies do something about it..
 
Which is thenga. Last 155mm arty gun purchased in late 80s. It is 2015 and not a single arty gun has been inducted. How hard is it to build an artillery gun? For India reaching Mars is easier.



Keep your hurt feelings in your pocket son, I don't have time for your tears.There is no place for sentiments in technical line. An engineer might have spent years on "research" copying from many rifle designs and come up with a sh1tty rifle called INSAS which fails miserably in Kargil and costs Nepal their civil war against Maoists. For the grunts using the rifle in battle the petty sentiments of some emotional engineer means little.

If you want pride in your work then effing EARN it. Don't be a lazy a$$.



Cut the melodrama. It has the negotiations of the babus who plead, beg, demand ToT. What has Indian PSUs managed to build without foreign support? Tanks, artillery, aircraft, ships, submarines everything needs foregn support and foreign tech. Taxpayers are all Ambanis children no, that they will keep funding these loser PSU with thei hard earned money because some nobody's "sweat and tears" were involved. Cry me a river.

PSUs are pampered lot with no accountability and unlimited funds. And absolutely no result to show for this faith in them.



And what the f**k has the so called engineers and scientists contributed? Cannot build a 155 mm artillery gun, cannot build a decent modern rifle and here you are lecturing me. Is that why you get salary, to vent out your emotions?

You call INSAS a good rifle, then why is Indian special forces, commados, crack units using Tavor and other foreign rifles? It is the ordinary jawan who uses INSAS because the center does not bother to spend money on giving the poor chap a decent rifle and ballistic protection.

Why is that Bofors gun has to be cannibalised? Why can't India come up with an arty gun of its own? Why is there no accountability for tax payer money? Show results first, make world class products, make the world stand up and take notice of India and then come and give me some bollywood lecture about tears and sweat. You have not earned that respect yet, son.



The negative rating happened because I crushed your tender feelings. I called Indian RnD below par and pathetic and your feelings got hurt. Don't teach me about forum rules when other posters were being equally insulting and you conveniently ignored them. But that's fine. This is only an internet forum and I don't care much about negative ratings, but I cannot stand hypocrites.

So don't come ever come near me again. You have your happy delusions of grandeur, good for you. Keep them with you and don't quote me further.

Regards.

What can I say, You are just ignorant.... you know nothing, and you are showcasing the same, keep your "son"
remarks and self righteous attitude to yourself.

If you want to discuss individual subsystems i can school you on each of them, this thread is on the astra llrqm, another off topic post, and you will be showed the door...
so I will highly advise to stop your inconsequential barking....
 
@MilSpec @sathya @GURU DUTT : I have been sensible and considerate with @Indian Patriot thought this thread and tried to show him that neither he has knowledge nor humility. Even showed him how his basis for comparisons are no better than a middle aged women selecting sarees in a shop. Moreover with the discussion with this guy has not resulted in a single valid point being added to the table.

So please lets restraint ourselves from reacting to this persons comments.

Also Can Please Somebody Clean this thread up... We have gone way off topic this time. It would be easy though just delete all @Indian Patriot's post and others in response to his from #80 onward.
 
@MilSpec @sathya @GURU DUTT : I have been sensible and considerate with @Indian Patriot thought this thread and tried to show him that neither he has the knowledge nor the humility. Even showed him how his basis for comparisons are no better than a middle aged women selecting sarees in a shop. Moreover with the discussion with this guy has not resulted in a single valid point being added to the table.

So please lets restraint ourselves from reacting to this persons comments.

Also Can Please Somebody Clean this thread up... We have gone way off topic this time. It would be easy though just delete all @Indian Patriot's post and others in response to his from #80 onward.
I am not wasting any more time on this guy, just ignore his posts. No Replies....
 
@MilSpec @sathya @GURU DUTT : I have been sensible and considerate with @Indian Patriot thought this thread and tried to show him that neither he has knowledge nor humility. Even showed him how his basis for comparisons are no better than a middle aged women selecting sarees in a shop. Moreover with the discussion with this guy has not resulted in a single valid point being added to the table.

So please lets restraint ourselves from reacting to this persons comments.

Also Can Please Somebody Clean this thread up... We have gone way off topic this time. It would be easy though just delete all @Indian Patriot's post and others in response to his from #80 onward.

LOL. So what is the moral of the story ? :azn:
 
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