Utility of JH7 for PAF

[Syed1.]

Need a deep strike twin engine jet. JF-17 cannot do everything. Could possibly look into J-11. It's based off the SU-27 and will add another dimension to the PAF.

 

[araz]

Nuclear this, nuclear that, blah blah blah. I'm sorry but it wasnt a nuclear tipped missile that gave the Indians a mouth shattering response on the 27th. Conventional warfare is still the most dominant form of warfare. Deep strike fighters are need to attack the Indians far east and central, locations. Anyone that says otherwise is frankly, stupid.

Lunch a nuclear missile and face a nuclear missile in return. Killing thousands of people on our side too. Lunch a deep strike and they can only hope to accomplish the same.


Might as well give them prop planes.

I would dsagree with this assertion. If you are going to attack those parts of India, you will need to use a Nuke tipped missile. Air dropping ammo into those areas will be highly dangerous and you will lose a lot of platforms. As to the Nuke vs conventional missile debate there is no question that any missile approaching you will be considered to be Nuke tipped and responded to appropriately irrespective of whether it is nuke tipped or not. The only other option might be to deploy Sub based CMs but even then if you are going to take that risk it has to cause enough devastation for it to be worth while. This is precisely the reason that war in the subcontinent is going to be a Zero sum game
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Need a deep strike twin engine jet. JF-17 cannot do everything. Could possibly look into J-11. It's based off the SU-27 and will add another dimension to the PAF.

A lot more sensible to acquire those as compared to JH7s

 

[khail007]

JH-7 seems to be with considerable RCS. IMO it's RCS will be of a significant for the role of aircraft in India Pakistan scenario; may be on naval support it could play an effective part.

 

[araz]

@denel .
My assertion is that acquisition of newer platform should have some cost benefit, not promotion of the same.We use top cover for P3 and ATR72s currently and if you have to do the same for JH7s what have you achieved? You have added a platform, yet your requirments remain the same. I fully understand that PAF is resource constrained, but how do we expect to provide top cover to a platform we have just spent a billion doolars iinducting.
I would hasten to add that JH7s are no longer being produced. The ones being upgraded are older platforms of which not more than 220-240 were built.I am not sure how many of those survive in PLAAF and PLAAN.
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[Irfan Baloch]

Need a deep strike twin engine jet. JF-17 cannot do everything. Could possibly look into J-11. It's based off the SU-27 and will add another dimension to the PAF.

it cant be exported out . its a cheaper and weaker version of flanker

 

[LKJ86]

Need a deep strike twin engine jet. JF-17 cannot do everything. Could possibly look into J-11. It's based off the SU-27 and will add another dimension to the PAF.

The picture is Su-27UBK.

 

[araz]

JH-7 seems to be with considerable RCS. IMO it's RCS will be of a significant for the role of aircraft in India Pakistan scenario; may be on naval support it could play an effective part.

Nahi Yaara PUt Qalai over it so Radar waves shine off it. This stupidity is only of a distorted mind.
Interestingly PAF has gone through a hard time in 90s to 2010 with singular lack of platforms it could purchase. Even at the best of times there was a limit to how many older 16s you could buy. M2ks were tried for and we failed . Rafale was beyond us price wise as was EFT. We were turned with our tails between our legs when we asked for the Gripen. In all this time we did not ask for JH7. BUT NOW when we have the JFT, options for more 16 might yet open up, Engine reliability of Chinese origin engines is increasing, Russia is slowly opening upto us, we need to revisit the option of JH7. for Pity's sake!!!!.
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[LKJ86]

its a cheaper and weaker version of flanker

J-11B/BS are much better than Su-30MKK in PLAAF.

 

[khail007]

Nahi Yaara PUt Qalai over it so Radar waves shine off it. This stupidity is only of a distorted mind

Sir G, this 'Qalai' part is a wishful thinking, are we using it and any experience of it?
If not, this is the perfect time for fielding and considering it's viability.
Further, why IAF didn't used it on their so called 'mini AWACS' SU-30 on 27-Feb or they were over confident as usual?

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan can ask for J16. Also some sources saying J11b is stationed somewhere in Pakistan.

 

[Khafee]

Pakistan has JF17 and Mirage for navel mission.

Bhai aap "navel" aur "naval" ka farq kub seekhaingay?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

What PN needs to do is improve AAW capabilities by inducting Super long range SAM from China! Even 250km range would be enough and just spam the city with SAMs because incase of war just few squadron of jf and mirage wont last long in front of Mig-29K Su-30MKI. and F-16s wont be used for striking deep.

 

[khail007]

Bhai aap "navel" aur "naval" ka farq kub seekhaingay?

Sir G, when he will enjoy the 'NAVEL' oranges in Middle East, then he will learn perfectly ... .

 

[Khafee]

I would be happy if you came true on the promise of 18-24 Block72s and 20 older16s. As to JH7 I personally see very little if any role for it in PAF/PN.But then what do I know!!!
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China Seeking To Offload Surplus Military Aircraft
by Vladimir Karnozov
- November 28, 2018,

The Shenyang JH-7A can carry a variety of precision-guided weapons including anti-ahip and anti-radar missiles. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov)

China is intent on selling off a number of technologically advanced aircraft, including radar platforms and interdiction and attack aircraft that apparently have fallen short of People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) expectations after just a few years of operational service. After being decommissioned, the aircraft have been handed over to Poly Technologies, a company licensed by the government, for rework into exportable versions and subsequent release to would-be foreign clients.

During the 12th China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, better known as Airshow China 2018, held earlier this month in Zhuhai, the company had a large outdoor exhibition to showcase its wares. Large-format banners and posters were devoted to the KJ-200, JH-7, A-5, J-7, and K-8, describing them as decommissioned equipment available to interested foreign countries after repair, upgrade, and rebuild.

While the Chengdu J-7 and Hongdu A-5 and K-8 have been in PLAAF service for many years and are considered obsolete, the KJ-200 and JH-7 represent modern and still highly capable aircraft. Most intriguing is the offer of the Shaanxi KJ-200 airborne early warning aircraft, which entered PLAAF service as recently as 2009. Based on the platform of the Shaanxi Y-8, a localized Antonov An-12 transport, the KJ-200 features a large active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar mounted above the fuselage in a manner resembling the Saab Erieye. According to Poly Technologies, the system can detect, identify, and track aerial and seagoing targets with a compensation for ground clutter, and provides situational awareness, command, and control functions.

It seems that a handful of KJ-200s have become redundant after the more advanced KJ-500, based on the evolved Y-9 platform, became operational in 2015. While similar in dimensions, the newer 65-tonne-gross weight aircraft is attributed to the next generation and differs in having a non-rotating circular dome with three AESA arrays in place of the KJ-200’s balanced beam antenna.

Poly Technologies is also promoting the Shenyang JH-7 interdiction aircraft that has had a production run of some 270 copies, most of which remain operable. Developed in the 1980s, the initial version gave ground for development of the far more advanced JH-7А, which became operational in 2004. Apart from being China’s first computer-aided design, the 28.5-tonne jet featured a glass cockpit and digital fly-by-wire flight control system. Most of the earlier airframes were upgraded to the JH-7A standard.

Poly Technologies describes the aircraft as a twin-engine, tandem-seat, supersonic fighter-bomber able to carry a bombload of up to 6.5 tonnes and capable of long-range strikes with precision-guided munitions. The type was briefly marketed for export as the FBC-1 Flying Leopard, but all production examples went to the PLAAF and PLANAF (Chinese naval aviation). Now, with Shenyang having mastered production of the Sukhoi Su-30 twin-seat multirole fighter as the J-16, the JH-7A is being phased out and thus has become available for export.

Unlike the JH-7, the Hongdu Q-5 low-level attack aircraft was delivered new not only to the PLAAF (from 1970) but also to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sudan, Myanmar, and North Korea, with the export designation A-5. Last year, the type was withdrawn from Chinese service but remains active with the last three of the overseas customers mentioned. These and others may be interested in acquiring the A-5L, the most advanced version with the ability to use laser-guided bombs.


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ina-seeking-offload-surplus-military-aircraft

 

[denel]

@denel .
My assertion is that acquisition of newer platform should have some cost benefit, not promotion of the same.We use top cover for P3 and ATR72s currently and if you have to do the same for JH7s what have you achieved? You have added a platform, yet your requirments remain the same. I fully understand that PAF is resource constrained, but how do we expect to provide top cover to a platform we have just spent a billion doolars iinducting.
I would hasten to add that JH7sare no longer being produced. The ones being upgraded are older platforms of which not more than 220-240 were built.I am not sure how many of those survive in PLAAF and PLAAN.
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are you sure? normally naval long range patrols like P3s dont use covers. Our units here never have covers when on long range patrols.

I had posted an earlier link from chinese news agency where they have now showcased a much upgraded jh-7 unit which is interesting. they would not have done this if this was a faiteaccompli from lifecycle.