Utah sheriffs warn Obama of deadly war over guns

[MilSpec]

@gubbi

What will you do in case of an break in inside your house at the middle of the night when you know that it will take the cops at least 15 mins to arrive????

 

[gubbi]

@gubbi

What will you do in case of an break in inside your house at the middle of the night when you know that it will take the cops at least 15 mins to arrive????

Being a foreign national, I cannot own firearms and so am at the mercy of the bandits who may or may not carry legal or illegal firearms. The only recourse I can think of is to lock my family safely (apparently) in a closet and confront, if possible, the robbers with a kitchen knife.

And there are thousands and thousands out there who are in a similar situation like me. So you tell me, with all these guns around - both legal (which coincidentally, more often than not, are used in mass shootings) and illegal, what are we supposed to do?

 

[KingMamba]

Till death do us part. That is what our second amendment means to us. Comparing Americans to Canadians is like comparing apples to oranges. You guys are a bunch of softies up north, down south we are predators. Most of these crimes that involve guns down here happen because of criminals using ILLEGALLY purchased guns yet these clown politicians think taking away LEGALLY bought guns is the answer. What a joke.

Not to mention the Canadians do not need to deal with a border attaching them to Mexico.

 

[gubbi]

Till death do us part. That is what our second amendment means to us. Comparing Americans to Canadians is like comparing apples to oranges. You guys are a bunch of softies up north, down south we are predators. Most of these crimes that involve guns down here happen because of criminals using ILLEGALLY purchased guns yet these clown politicians think taking away LEGALLY bought guns is the answer. What a joke.

Mass shootings almost always are perpetuated by legally owned guns.

 

[MilSpec]

Being a foreign national, I cannot own firearms and so am at the mercy of the bandits who may or may not carry legal or illegal firearms. The only recourse I can think of is to lock my family safely (apparently) in a closet and confront, if possible, the robbers with a kitchen knife.

And there are thousands and thousands out there who are in a similar situation like me. So you tell me, with all these guns around - both legal (which coincidentally, more often than not, are used in mass shootings) and illegal, what are we supposed to do?

So if you were given to have the ability to own a firearm, after adequate training on safety, handling and storage would be open to obtaining a license after you pass an exam of the same training imparted, to legally own a firearm.

 

[gubbi]

So if you were given to have the ability to own a firearm, after adequate training on safety, handling and storage would be open to obtaining a license after you pass an exam of the same training imparted, to legally own a firearm.

Isnt that what the gun control debate is all about now? Also dont forget that each firearm has to be documented and registered. Also, military grade weapons should remain with the military and not in civilian homes. Thats all. Now what is so difficult about gun control?

So, to answer your question, YES.
You still havent answered my question.

 

[KingMamba]

Being a foreign national, I cannot own firearms and so am at the mercy of the bandits who may or may not carry legal or illegal firearms. The only recourse I can think of is to lock my family safely (apparently) in a closet and confront, if possible, the robbers with a kitchen knife.

And there are thousands and thousands out there who are in a similar situation like me. So you tell me, with all these guns around - both legal (which coincidentally, more often than not, are used in mass shootings) and illegal, what are we supposed to do?

Buy an illegal gun but keep it locked up and away from kids, do not take it out of your house.

Mass shootings almost always are perpetuated by legally owned guns.

Mass shootings also happen not too often this year has been the exception to the rule not the norm. Gang shooting on the other hand happen everyday.

 

[MilSpec]

Isnt that what the gun control debate is all about now? Also dont forget that each firearm has to be documented and registered. Also, military grade weapons should remain with the military and not in civilian homes. Thats all. Now what is so difficult about gun control?

So, to answer your question, YES.

An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from
purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm if the alien falls within one of the following
exceptions: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal
Government, a State, or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau
of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney
General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign government who is
accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international
organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is en route to or from another
country to which that alien is accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a
distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a
foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on
official law enforcement business.

So if you are a legal alien you can apply for a hunting permit, which would make you qualify a dept of fish and game course and then undergo training at a authorized training agencies for certification. Once you obtain your certification, if your record is clean, you can obtain a firearm for hunting purpose (eg shotgun) which can also serve as a tool that will protect you.

There is no hesitation for training, but the legislation has always been directed towards stupidest issues....like:

making magazine changes difficult.... (I am sure if some one was on a rampage, he wouldn't mind modifying his gun)

regulation on hi cap magazine... when tactical reloads aren't that difficult to master.

The stupidity in my opinion is adding more laws....when the offender already are in violation of laws already in the book....

There have been so many school shootings, but has no one thought of actually putting armed guards at the school, or let teachers/administrators train and conceal carry.

Schools, hospitals, shoping malls, all areas where firearms are prohibited have been targets... have you heard any one trying to shoot someone in gun show, shooting range or a ranch. I doubt it!

There was a story of a man trying to rob a busy gun store once... he ended up with 16 holes inside him... it was a bad day for him!

 

[gambit]

Being a foreign national, I cannot own firearms and so am at the mercy of the bandits who may or may not carry legal or illegal firearms. The only recourse I can think of is to lock my family safely (apparently) in a closet and confront, if possible, the robbers with a kitchen knife.

And there are thousands and thousands out there who are in a similar situation like me. So you tell me, with all these guns around - both legal (which coincidentally, more often than not, are used in mass shootings) and illegal, what are we supposed to do?

You are avoiding the question but still, there are plenty of people who are in similar situation and got themselves an illegal handgun to protect themselves, so the question remains valid. Put aside the legal or illegal paths to access guns for now. If you have a choice, as living in a country where guns are part of the culture since its founding, would you chose to have a gun for self/home protection?

 

[gambit]

Mass shootings almost always are perpetuated by legally owned guns.

And mass shootings are actually quite rare.

If I am a police officer and say my partner and I got involved in a shooting with gangsters. If I kill one gangster and one gangster killed my partner, there are two homicides. One homicide is justified, the other is not. But both will be counted into the annual gun related crime statistics for that year and presented. The vast majority of gun related crimes are attributed to illegally obtained guns, rarely by law abiding citizens with legally obtained guns.

Isnt that what the gun control debate is all about now? Also dont forget that each firearm has to be documented and registered. Also, military grade weapons should remain with the military and not in civilian homes. Thats all. Now what is so difficult about gun control?

So, to answer your question, YES.
You still havent answered my question.

No, it is not. The national debate reverted to what has been debunked before, namely about 'assault' weapons ban. It was purely cosmetics, not functionality. If a rifle merely looks scary, it is an 'assault' weapon or as you put it 'military grade', whatever that mean.

 

[gubbi]

If you have a choice, as living in a country where guns are part of the culture since its founding, would you chose to have a gun for self/home protection?

That is a difficult question to answer. If I was brought up in such a culture, then depending on the situation, I might own one or a few or even an entire armory! All legal and registered. Protection or not, I do find guns fun (been to a range) but as deadly weapons I do believe that they should be registered, licensed and well documented. Is that a problem now?

But given my situation, atm, I would try to find safety in my surroundings, like good neighborhoods and people with firearms etc.

 

[gambit]

That is a difficult question to answer. If I was brought up in such a culture, then depending on the situation, I might own one or a few or even an entire armory! All legal and registered. Protection or not, I do find guns fun (been to a range) but as deadly weapons I do believe that they should be registered, licensed and well documented. Is that a problem now?

But given my situation, atm, I would try to find safety in my surroundings, like good neighborhoods and people with firearms etc.

It is irrelevant if you are borned into this culture or not. You forget I am an immigrant to the US and I adapted just fine.

The question is not difficult to answer at all. In fact, you already answered it: 'I would try to find safety in people with firearms.' Clear enough for me. It does not matter if you want to have your own gun or you are afraid of handling one. A police force is a natural development in any society but they usually are not available all the time. Their deterrence factor is limited in scope. So if you want or have to rely upon an alternate method of defense, be it your own gun, or through the umbrella effect of someone else's gun, the answer is that you want a gun for self defense.

As for the issue of licensing, law abiding gun owners generally have no issues with licenses and even with registration. My weapons are registered and I made no gripes about it.

 

[UnChosen]

The reason why successful self defense events like this one...

GA Woman Who Shot Intruder Hailed as Model Gun Owner


...Seldom make the news is because self defense is a natural impulse in humans and a successful defense when the victim prevails is boring. We want criminals to pay for their crimes, at the scene or later when apprehended, but preferably at the scene. If the criminal is dead, it saves the taxpayers a lot money.

Like I JUST said in my post...nearly all of the successful "defense" are against house thieves/robbers who make themselves known far ahead of time.

Police: Natomas man shoots, kills girlfriend he mistook for intruder | news10.net

Cops: Woman kills husband, mistaking him for intruder - U.S. News

Overall it doesn't come out any better, and judging by the number of gun deaths in the US...it's coming out worse.

But then again...the prevalent American mentality is to ignore society and community as long as they think it benefits themselves.

P.S. The only reason why I even care about what Americans do is that their mentality is slowly infect my country thanks to us being right next to them. Almost every American-Canadian citizen I've met seems to want to turn the country into a mini-US with less black people and more natural resources. Dumb mentality got our long-gun registry removed when what we should be doing is emulating Japan or China with their utter titanium fist approach to guns.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Assault weapons ban introduced in the Senate

Published: 24 January, 2013, 22:50

Senator Dianne Feinstein ,D-CA,walks from the lectern after speaking at a press conference on Capitol Hill January 24, 2013.(AFP PHOTO / Brendan Smialowski)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Thursday introduced a bill banning assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, briefing members of Congress in front of a display featuring various deadly firearms that would be prohibited under the ban.

“Together we are introducing legislation to help end the mass shootings that have devastated countless families and terrorized communities,” Feinstein said in her opening remarks at a briefing on Capitol Hill.

The senator invited police officers, shooting victims and legislators to emphasize the need for her measure, which would resurrect a federal ban on assault weapons and more narrowly define them. As the speakers testified, they stood beside a large display of 10 different types of assault weapons, which are illegal in Washington, DC. Feinstein was required to get special permission to bring the deadly weapons into the US Capitol.

Combined with testimonies about gun violence and lost lives, Feinstein introduced her proposal. The new legislation would ban 158 specifically named firearms, as well as certain semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that take a detachable magazine. It would also limit magazines to nine rounds of ammunition.

The measure would not affect owners who already possess such weapons and would not affect the sale of hunting, sporting, antique, manually operated and disabled weapons. But US residents who want to transfer their assault weapons to another person would not be able to legally do so unless the new owner commits to a background check.

“The purpose is to dry up the supply of these weapons over time, therefore there is no sunset on this bill,” Feinstein said. The bill protects 2,200 specifically named hunting or sporting rifles, keeping them exempt from the rules of the legislation. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban only protected 375 such weapons, which would cause US gun owners to have more options under the current proposal.

“This bill will be a signature moment in providing a profoundly significant step in the legislative strategy,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), who joined forces with Feinstein in drafting the legislation. “But it is only a first step and we need to build on it with a comprehensive program” that includes expanded background checks and greater mental health care initiatives.

Senator Dianne Feinstein(R) ,D-CA, arrives for a press conference on Capitol Hill January 24, 2013 in Washington, DC. House and Senate Democrats where joined by law enforcement officials to introduce the "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013" legislation to ban assault style weapons and high capacity magazines.(AFP PHOTO / Brendan Smialowski)

The bill is likely to face harsh opposition from GOP lawmakers who have already pledged to oppose any new gun control regulations.

But an assault weapons ban has existed before, which gives the senator hope that it can exist again. Her proposal resembles a version of the assault-weapons ban that expired in 2004. Feinstein authored the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and has long pushed for bringing it back after it expired, but has faced immense opposition from congressional Republicans, many of whom believe the bill would diminish the Second Amendment right to own firearms.

The senator has been drafting this bill ever since the December massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School left 26 people dead, 20 of which were children. Feinstein’s legislation is aimed to prevent another such shooting by keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and by limiting the sales of military-style assault weapons that can quickly massacre dozens of people. The US was host to 15 mass shootings in the year 2012, including the massacre of 12 people in a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., and the massacre of six people in a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis.

“I have worked on this for a long time,” Feinstein said in a USA Today interview. “I’m not a newcomer or a novice to guns.”

After family members of shooting victims displayed photographs of the loved ones they lost, Feinstein wrapped up the briefing with a strong urge to take action.

“Guns designed military use [are] bought all over this country and often used for mass murder. This is really an uphill road. If anyone asked today, ‘Can you win this?’ The answer is, ‘we don’t know,” Feinstein said.

“But only if you stand up, if America rises up, if people care enough to call every member of the House and every member of the Senate and say ‘we have had enough’” can this legislation be enacted, she added.

Feinstein to introduce the bill today in the Senate.

Assault weapons ban introduced in the Senate — RT