USA admin & GEN MIKE MULLEN dictating both KIYANI & ZARDARI?

[batmannow]

geo tv, BREAKING NEWS
13,MARCH , 2009
gen mike MULLEN, said gen. KIYANI will not ging to impose MUSHARAF style of MARTIAL LAW in pakistan.

msn news
Friday, March 13, 2009

Holbrooke speaks to Zardari, Gilani; asks them to resolve political crisis
Islamabad: United States on Thursday stepped up diplomatic efforts to defuse the deepening political crisis in Pakistan, with Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke asking the country's top leadership to resolve differences with the PML-N so that they could focus on the war against militancy.


Holbrooke, the Special Envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan, spoke to both President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on telephone to discuss the prevailing situation in the country.

Official sources were quoted by TV news channels as saying that Holbrooke had expressed concern over the political crisis during his conversation with Zardari. He called for the resumption of dialogue to end the crisis, the sources said.

While assuring the full support of the US for the continuation of the democratic process in Pakistan, Holbrooke said political stability in the country was imperative to fight militancy effectively, the sources added.

Zardari said the ruling Pakistan People's Party is following the democratic path and showing flexibility while the other parties were non-cooperative.

© Copyright 2009 PTI. All rights reserved.


Holbrooke, Patterson hold teleconference with Zardari
RECORDER REPORT
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ISLAMABAD (updated on: March 13, 2009, 04:41 PST): The US has urged the government to lift the governor's rule in Punjab as soon as possible, as Washington wants to see democracy flourishing in Pakistan. This was discussed during a teleconference between President Asif Ali Zardari, US special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke and US ambassador to Pakistan Anne W Patterson here on Thursday.

Later Patterson said that the US co-operation would continue for the democratic stability of Pakistan and expressed the desire that governor's rule in Punjab would be lifted soon. The presidency spokesman Farhatullah Babar said that the conference lasted for half an hour in which issues of mutual interest were discussed.

Meanwhile, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband telephoned President Asif Ali Zardari and discussed a host of issues of mutual interest during the conversation. Pak-US relations also came under discussion. US ambassador to Pakistan Anne W Patterson also visited Lahore on Thursday and discussed the ongoing political crisis in Pakistan with former prime minister Mian Nawaz Sharif.


dear fellows, if this DEMOCRAZY will bring , this kind of shame full dictation to our country , will you still support this democrazy!

plz open your thoughts, but stay away from trolling & flamming.
thanks

 

[third eye]

dear fellows, if this DEMOCRAZY will bring , this kind of shame full dictation to our country , will you still support this democrazy!

plz open your thoughts, but stay away from trolling & flamming.
thanks

One can see & understand a sense of resentment on " being told' from the tone of your remark above.

Actually, it has less to do with being a democray but more to the kind of nation you are dealing with.

Lets face it, when you don't have money or are not financially sound even relatives & friends either treat you shoddily or are condesending in thieir aproach to you. Why should international politics be any different ?

The answer lies in the " Khud hi ko kar buland itna..." approach which a nation needs to adopt to ' tell' & not ' be told'.

It does not matter if the country is led by elected reps or dictators.. without moolah they both are the same.

 

[batmannow]

One can see & understand a sense of resentment on " being told' from the tone of your remark above.

Actually, it has less to do with being a democray but more to the kind of nation you are dealing with.

Lets face it, when you don't have money or are not financially sound even relatives & friends either treat you shoddily or are condesending in thieir aproach to you. Why should international politics be any different ?

The answer lies in the " Khud hi ko kar buland itna..." approach which a nation needs to adopt to ' tell' & not ' be told'.

It does not matter if the country is led by elected reps or dictators.. without moolah they both are the same.

stay away from trolling & flamming.

 

[Ratus Ratus]

Now let’s take a look here:
Is Pakistan in a political crisis of sorts? You bet!
There has been comment re coup and counter coup. That is BIG crisis.

Perhaps your current leaders need a real nudge on what is wrong because they are working with blinkered eyes, or are straight stupid not to see what they are doing hurts Pakistan and it people.

Yes I am really feeling your anger and hence I am crying crocodile tears for you.

Your reaction is a to the articles etc are a tad

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

batmannow,

If US officials are mediating and trying to encourage the parties to reconcile and come to some sort of compromise, I fail to see why that is a negative thing.

We already know that both Zardari and Nawaz are power hungry obstinate crooks, so to expect the two of them to compromise on their own (given they have never show any inclination to do so in the past) is a distant hope.

I in fact hope the US and UK are mediating, and pushing Zardari to back down from this confrontation and encouraging Nawaz to compromise for the sake of stability in Pakistan.

 

[batmannow]

batmannow,

If US officials are mediating and trying to encourage the parties to reconcile and come to some sort of compromise, I fail to see why that is a negative thing.

We already know that both Zardari and Nawaz are power hungry obstinate crooks, so to expect the two of them to compromise on their own (given they have never show any inclination to do so in the past) is a distant hope.

I in fact hope the US and UK are mediating, and pushing Zardari to back down from this confrontation and encouraging Nawaz to compromise for the sake of stability in Pakistan.

dear , AgNoStIc MuSliM;sir
US officials are mediating and trying ?
why dont USA simply , send a new governer genral for pakistan?
i am so , ashamed off the situation , that i feel that these people(ZARDARI,GILANI, KIYANI, NAWAZ) made pakistani nation , LOWER thn the somalians , at least they still are free , whatever thier economic, situation is
but they are free , west including USA cant say a single word , to them.

north korea, iran , vietnam venesuvela, cuba, they still exits in the world , thier economies , & thier peoples are suffereing but still , they are free.

ZARDARI,GILANI, KIYANI, NAWAZ, non of them...have any respect of the pakistani nation, & respect for them selves.

 

[SurvivoR]

US lobbying for continuation of Zardari rule? - How US perceives Pakistani political crisis?
Fri, 2009-03-13 17:11

By Farzana Shah- Asian Tribune correspondent in Pakistan

Islamabad, 13 March, (Asiantribune.com): : As the political mess is getting messier US has started worrying and to some extent exerting pressure on concerned Pakistani political players to defuse the tension.

During last 24 hours Holbrooke spoke to Pakistani president and prime minister besides Ambassador Patterson is engaged in talks with Pakistani government and the opposition leader Nawaz Sharif.

Today’s press briefing at State Department clearly indicates US intention for the time being which seems to be inclined towards sitting President Zardari’s camp.

Earlier when Pakistan Army chief Kiyani was on visit to US along with ISI Chief Shuja it was expected that US would be going to find another Musharraf in form of Kiyani doing away with Zardari as the later was seen as emerging liability for US future planning viz a viz the region specially with regard to on going WoT.

"Zardari has become a liability for US now, just like Karzai. US now know that they cannot continue to bet on Zardari to deliver them what they want. They are looking for alternate political options like even accepting Nawaz Shareef and even a caretaker political setup.

The CIA’s political experiment in Pakistan has not worked for them so far and now they desperately need alternate political options. This is bad news for PPP government and even more for Mr. Zardari who is an isolated and hated man even within his party which he has so audaciously hijacked after the murder of his wife.

The time is now ticking for Mr. Zardari. He knows it and for the first time we see him panicking. Ides of March is close, bad omen for Caesars!" known defence analyst Zaid Hamid said last week before the mass protest was started.

However the scheme of things kept on changing much faster than expected by many as Kiyani came back without letting anyone to read his mind clearly which even puts the US in confusion as what line Kiyani will be going to pick up.

The briefing at the State Department today indicates that US is not yet considering Zardari as liability rather pushing for curbing the ongoing political movement and convincing Nawaz Sharif to back off.

During last general election after Benazir’s assassination, US said to have pressurized Nawaz not to put impediment in way of Zardari when Ambassador Peterson lobbied extensively against Musharraf by holding meetings with Nawaz and other political leaders.

Replying to questions by media-persons Acting spokesman State Department Robert Wood said US wants no impediment in way of a peaceful protest however it is not in favour of any violence which needs to be dealt with.

Question: During the last 12 hours, Ambassador Holbrooke has spoken to president of Pakistan, then he called separately prime minister of Pakistan. Would you tell us what U.S. is trying to communicate to Pakistani Government at this point?

Mr. Wood: Well, I’ll also add that Ambassador Patterson spoke to Nawaz Sharif yesterday in Lahore. He was in Lahore. And the point that Ambassador Patterson made, as well as Ambassador Holbrooke, is that we want to see the situation dealt with in accordance to the rule of law in Pakistan, that violence be avoided, and that any impediments to peaceful and democratic activities not be put in place. And we’re continuing to watch the situation, as I said yesterday, and we will continue to engage the Government of Pakistan in discussions as well as other parties to try to make sure that this – which what transpires in Pakistan is dealt with within the content of Pakistan’s constitution.

Question: Has the Administration yet taken a position on what it thinks about the events in the last two days?

Mr. Wood: I gave that – gave you the position yesterday, where we stand with regard to that.

Question: You mean you gave us the non-position position?

Mr. Wood: That’s your characterization. Our position –

Question: Well, your position was that you support the freedom of assembly and --

Mr. Wood: Do you have a problem with that?

Question: I don’t have a problem with it at all. I’m just wondering if you have a position on the Pakistani Government’s decision to restrict freedom of assembly.

Mr. Wood: And I think I addressed your question just a moment ago, that we – you know, we discourage any impediments to peaceful and democratic activities.

Question: Yesterday, you said that you were waiting to make an assessment on what had happened; you couldn't tell from where you were standing. Now, 24 hours later, can you give an assessment whether some of the people that have been rounded up in advance of the protest, whether you think that isn’t such an impediment to the constitutional process and the rule of law?

Mr. Wood: Well, Kirit, without going into a lot of detail, you know, Ambassador Patterson and Ambassador Holbrooke have been talking to the Pakistani Government about this issue. Our Embassy has had conversations with other elements of Pakistani society about this. We are still trying to, you know, formulate a good assessment, but obviously, the fact that these calls were placed means that we are concerned about the situation. And we want to make sure that no violence takes place and that, as I said, that all differences are resolved within the political construct of Pakistan’s constitution.

If you read between the lines above statements by State Department it seems US still is monitoring which course the protesters going to take viz viz fate of the current government. Seems US still is confuse whether to take sides with Zardari or the opposition but somehow for the moment Americans are not ready to speak for those arrested while protesting for the restoration of free judiciary.

Question: Do you think the people who were rounded up yesterday should be released?

Mr. Wood: That’s a decision that’s going to have to – that’s a decision for the Pakistani people. It’s not for me here at the podium to make.

Question: Well, no one is expecting you to say, yes, they should –that yes, release them.

Mr. Wood: He just asked me to make.

Question: No, I mean, he’s not – the decision on whether to release them, of course, is going to be up to the Pakistani authorities. But does the United States think that Pakistanis should release them? I mean, that’s a pretty straightforward question.

Obviously, it’s not up to you whether to release them or not, but you can say whether you want them to be released.

Mr. Wood: What I’m saying is that that is going to be a decision that’s taken by the people of Pakistan, not by the United States Government.

Question: Well, if you’re asking them to remove impediments to freedom of assembly, surely incarcerating people a day before a planned rally or a protest would appear to constitute an impediment.

Mr. Wood: Like I said, you know, we discourage any impediments that are put in place to peaceful and democratic activities. That’s pretty clear.

Question: But you can’t say whether you think that the roundup – the people rounded up should be released?

Mr. Wood: "Well, one of the things that I said earlier was that you had Ambassador Patterson and Ambassador Holbrooke having discussions with the Pakistani Government and making our views known, and also through our Embassy speaking with other elements of Pakistani society. And you know, by doing that, you hope to develop a good assessment. But initially, what I’m saying with regard to some of the activities that are going on on the ground in Pakistan, we wanted just to make sure and make clear to everyone that peaceful democratic activity needs to take place in Pakistan. Violence is something we don’t need. And that’s where we’re at."]

The situation in Pakistan is getting more complex the focus of Nawaz Shareef is survival of his political career which is now threatened by Zardari and his appointed judges and hence has decided to come out with full force.

The lawyers have received his support as well and now once again a movement for ousting the government, re-instate the judges and to secure the political future of PML(N) leadership is launched.

Now people’s party has to form its own government in Punjab as Governor’s rule cannot last forever. They have a problem here. PPP is short of required members to form a government and thus we would see worst form of horse trading in the house with Governor and Zardari acting as bidders for the lawmakers.

"Zardari is panicked and thus is now on a collision course with the largest province of the country. It is the beginning of the end for his Presidency and perhaps this entire political process. He has staged a coup against Nawaz through his hand picked judiciary and his own Governor in Punjab. Now the war is declared", says defence analyst Zaid Hamid.

So, where will it end?

The answer lies not in Islamabad or Lahore but in GHQ after General Kiyani returned from US this week.

If General Kiyani does not support Zardari as it has become obvious during the recent months where we have seen clear division between the presidential and Premier Gillani’s camps.

The question arises whether US backing for Zardari is outcome of the feeling that Army is supporting Prime Minister Gillani ?

In fact, there are reports that Americans even offered General Kiyani to take over the powers if he is willing to back US objectives in the region.

Apparently, General Kiyani has refused both offers.

The choices for Kiyani hence he could not risk his credibility, national security and army’s image by backing Zardari especially after what he has done in Punjab. Also, army is in no mood of taking over single handedly after what Musharraf era has done to military’s image and credibility.

Now when a massive movement against Zardari is building up, army will either stay neutral or may even decide to support the PM Gilani or other political forces in opposition against hugely unpopular Zardari.

In both the cases, army should not confront the crowds nor the people on the streets. If Nawaz and opposition parties are able to bring in enough numbers on streets, this will surely rattle an over confident Zardari. Zardari has definitely shot himself in the foot this time.

In the coming weeks, fate of Presidency and even this political setup will be decided for sure.

One thing seems definite US is monitoring the situation keeping in view the over all impact the mass protest will bring for the long-term US policies in the region hence it will take its own decision whether Pakistani public like it or not.

- Asian Tribune -


US lobbying for continuation of Zardari rule? - How US perceives Pakistani political crisis? | Asian Tribune

 

[vkurian]

dear , AgNoStIc MuSliM;sir
US officials are mediating and trying ?
why dont USA simply , send a new governer genral for pakistan?
i am so , ashamed off the situation , that i feel that these people(ZARDARI,GILANI, KIYANI, NAWAZ) made pakistani nation , LOWER thn the somalians , at least they still are free , whatever thier economic, situation is
but they are free , west including USA cant say a single word , to them.

north korea, iran , vietnam venesuvela, cuba, they still exits in the world , thier economies , & thier peoples are suffereing but still , they are free.

ZARDARI,GILANI, KIYANI, NAWAZ, non of them...have any respect of the pakistani nation, & respect for them selves.

I agree USA want to decide what each police station does inthe country they get involved.Indians should see this and maintain a safe distance from USA.

 

[tamir]

ZARDARI,GILANI, KIYANI, NAWAZ, non of them...have any respect of the pakistani nation, & respect for them selves.

Let's not drag Gen. Kiyani into their league.

 

[batmannow]

Let's not drag Gen. Kiyani into their league.

sory , sir
lets not make gen.KIYANI SIR, a holy cow!
he is one of the responsible person up there! he was the one who started e whole dialodge with bb, he is the one , who is reciving awards in usa, he is theone who betrayed , his boss.

if something is wrong now , we cant let him go silently, he is someone with absolute power, but stilll he is just listining ammericans, like a head boy in a school.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...77.cms?TOI_Home


www.DailyTimes.com
Kayani’s visit to help understand Swat deal: Mullen

* US General Staff College honours Gen Kayani for military achievements

LAHORE: United States Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen termed the visit of Pakistani Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Kayani to the US extremely positive, saying the visit had helped US understand the Swat peace agreement, a private TV channel reported. According to the channel, Mullen told a press briefing in Virginia that the US would have to extend more assistance to Pakistan in the war against terrorism.

He said the training of the Frontier Corps (FC) personnel by the US officials was likely to improve the FC’s capability to fight terrorism, adding that the ‘Train the Trainers’ programme had been launched six months ago.

Speaking on the occasion, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said the issue of drone attacks inside Pakistan did not come under discussion during his meeting with Kayani.

Honour:
Meanwhile, the AP reported that the US Army Command and General Staff College honoured Gen Kayani for his military achievements.
Kayani, a 1988 graduate of the college, became the fourth Pakistani officer inducted into the international hall of fame. The honour is given to international graduates who achieve the highest position in their nation’s military.

In brief remarks on Thursday to the more than 1,000 majors who are attending the college, Kayani said Pakistan had been involved in the fight against terrorist since the 9/11 attacks on the US.

“In one way or another, I have been dealing with the situation, and I have been a part of it,” Kayani said.

He took over the Pakistan Army more than a year ago from former president Pervez Musharraf, who was pressured to resign.

Lt Gen William Caldwell IV, commandant of the college and commander of Fort Leavenworth, said one key relationship Kayani forged while at the school in the late ‘80s was with Maj Gen Jay Hood, now chief of staff of US Central Command. daily times monitor/ap




did ever gen zia, or gen musharaf, did get this? no !!
thn why gen kiyani?

 

[Beskar]

India isn't some two bit country the US can boss around.It's a different league altogether

The Muslim empire bossed around India for almost a thousand years. What league are you talking about? If anything, Indians have been known for their "Submitting" antics.

And yes, The United States CAN boss around India if they want to, and they surely will in the future if your Government doesn't realize the "Cancerous" as$ it's kissing for the sake of procuring technologically advanced equipment in military and energy sectors.

Wouldn't be long before your old soviet buddy starts feeling the tip of the dagger you people are ever so subtly sliding into their back. Enjoy it while it lasts

 

[batmannow]

India isn't some two bit country the US can boss around.It's a different league altogether

i gss what? whole of "dam indian nucklear arsenal & its nucklear facalities" in ALREADY USA 'S hands? its not "two bit country" but its "slum dogs"?