USA abandons Philippines to China wrath after encouraging anti-China provocation

[Aepsilons]

Philippines will need to find a way to resolve the 'issues' with China, it will give it enough time to invest in development.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Philippines will need to find a way to resolve the 'issues' with China, it will give it enough time to invest in development.

They use a "Zero-sum" mentality on the issue - either "surrender to China your EEZ, halt your military modernization and you will receive our blessings" or "defy us and you will suffer 5000 years of wrath from our glorious people's army."

There is no compromise in this case.

And we cannot rely on America on this issue whether they will have a Republican or Democrat president and we literally cannot rely on them at all if the have a Libertarian president.

 

[Aepsilons]

They use a "Zero-sum" mentality on the issue - either "surrender to China your EEZ, halt your military modernization and you will receive our blessings" or "defy us and you will suffer 5000 years of wrath from our glorious people's army."

There is no compromise in this case.

And we cannot rely on America on this issue whether they will have a Republican or Democrat president and we literally cannot rely on them at all if the have a Libertarian president.

Ang ibig sabihin sa mga miyembreng Inchek didto ay --- maraming oportunidad sa "joint exploration at chaka joint development" sa territoryo djan sa Spratlys at espesiyalemente sa Reed Bank. Ang isang ehemplo ay sa lugar sa Malampaya Gas Fields. Segurado ko pwede na pwede mag joint develop kayo sa gas fields sa rehion sa Spratlys. Pero importante meron explicit agreement kayo sa fair shairing sa resources at chaka sa output.

Ano pa ba? Anong palagay sayo?

Maraming Salamat.

 

[Carlosa]

There are other countries we can trade with.

You always imply the world must depend on China and China alone because of her 5000 years of existence. Funny you always accuse us of the "zero-sum" mentality yet your own words has the same tone as what you accuse us of.



If America will turn back here to Asia, they will look at Singapore and Japan, but NOT Philippines.

Remember, Spain sold us to America and I am pretty sure they would do the same. And if China does take over, sooner or later, they will sell us to another emerging power.

Spain didn't sell you to USA, Spain lost a war, did you forget that? A war created by an accident that was used as a excuse for war by the way.

 

[Zero_wing]

Spain didn't sold you to USA, Spain lost a war, did you forget that? A war created by an accident that was used as a excuse for war by the way.

They sold us dude as part of the conditions of the treaty of paris and ignore our first republic and they did it because one they could not accept that they lose to native population and lastly having colony far away from the mainland is too costly so to recover and act spite they sold us like a piece of land to the Americans and the Americans in turn betray us by colonizing us hence we have the Philippine American War

Ang ibig sabihin sa mga miyembreng Inchek didto ay --- maraming oportunidad sa "joint exploration at chaka joint development" sa territoryo djan sa Spratlys at espesiyalemente sa Reed Bank. Ang isang ehemplo ay sa lugar sa Malampaya Gas Fields. Segurado ko pwede na pwede mag joint develop kayo sa gas fields sa rehion sa Spratlys. Pero importante meron explicit agreement kayo sa fair shairing sa resources at chaka sa output.

Ano pa ba? Anong palagay sayo?

Maraming Salamat.

Pero kaninung batas ang susundin? sa amin? or sa kanila? ok sana pero maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ng wala **** ng mga intisk bihon sa amin mga pilipino kasi para sa kanila lahat sa kanila wala para sa iba. Alam mo na man kami mga pilipino wala gusto kung hindi mabuhay ng mapayapa at tahimik eh ayaw na man nga mga G@gong cup@l mga bihon so pa ano mag joint development?

 

[Carlosa]

They sold us dude as part of the conditions of the treaty of paris and ignore our first republic and they did it because one they could not accept that they lose to native population and lastly having colony far away from the mainland is too costly so to recover and act spite they sold us like a piece of land to the Americans and the Americans in turn betray us by colonizing us hence we have the Philippine American War

Man, when you lose a war, you are done, the Spanish fleet in the Pacific was destroyed by the Americans at the Battle of Manila Bay, what do you expect Spain to do after that? The Americans demanded the Philippines and Guam, they imposed the conditions and Spain had to accept, no other choice. And yes, what happened after that was pretty bad for PH.

You can read the story here and why the Americans wanted to have the Philippines real bad:
The Spanish-American War: The Leap into Overseas Empire: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

 

[Aepsilons]

They sold us dude as part of the conditions of the treaty of paris and ignore our first republic and they did it because one they could not accept that they lose to native population and lastly having colony far away from the mainland is too costly so to recover and act spite they sold us like a piece of land to the Americans and the Americans in turn betray us by colonizing us hence we have the Philippine American War

After Spain was defeated by the Americans , the Japanese Imperial Navy was ready to seize the Philippines if America wasn't going to take it. Remember that in 1895, Japan had eviscerated the Chinese Beiyang Fleet, and crushed them in the land war in Korea; we seized Taiwan and access to Korea's natural wealth as the principal protector of Chosen (Korea). It was said that had America not taken the Philippines from the Spanish then the Japanese Empire would have taken the Philippines. Who knows, perhaps Japan would have Japanized the Filipinos as we did to Korea and Taiwan.

 

[terranMarine]

After Spain was defeated by the Americans , the Japanese Imperial Navy was ready to seize the Philippines if America wasn't going to take it. Remember that in 1895, Japan had eviscerated the Chinese Beiyang Fleet, and crushed them in the land war in Korea; we seized Taiwan and access to Korea's natural wealth as the principal protector of Chosen (Korea). It was said that had America not taken the Philippines from the Spanish then the Japanese Empire would have taken the Philippines. Who knows, perhaps Japan would have Japanized the Filipinos as we did to Korea and Taiwan.

i think Japan most likely would have colonized the Pinoys

 

[Carlosa]

After Spain was defeated by the Americans , the Japanese Imperial Navy was ready to seize the Philippines if America wasn't going to take it. Remember that in 1895, Japan had eviscerated the Chinese Beiyang Fleet, and crushed them in the land war in Korea; we seized Taiwan and access to Korea's natural wealth as the principal protector of Chosen (Korea). It was said that had America not taken the Philippines from the Spanish then the Japanese Empire would have taken the Philippines. Who knows, perhaps Japan would have Japanized the Filipinos as we did to Korea and Taiwan.

Very good point. Either way it goes, the Philippine's fate was sealed.

 

[Beast]

After Spain was defeated by the Americans , the Japanese Imperial Navy was ready to seize the Philippines if America wasn't going to take it. Remember that in 1895, Japan had eviscerated the Chinese Beiyang Fleet, and crushed them in the land war in Korea; we seized Taiwan and access to Korea's natural wealth as the principal protector of Chosen (Korea). It was said that had America not taken the Philippines from the Spanish then the Japanese Empire would have taken the Philippines. Who knows, perhaps Japan would have Japanized the Filipinos as we did to Korea and Taiwan.

Wow, you have reached new low... Giving such a lame excuse.

 

[Aepsilons]

Wow, you have reached new low... Giving such a lame excuse.

How is that a new low? Explaining a reality and actual policy of interest at the time --- should be regarded and reviewed with objectivity , not with emotionality. The point is that by 1898, the Japanese Empire was an expanding power that had interest in the South Pacific Mandate, as well as had designs to expand its influence in the Pacific, and the Philippines is an indispensable strategic asset for mastery in the Western Pacific.

The Americans (pro-Imperialist league) knew this early on and knew that if they didn't take the Philippines from the weakened Spanish Empire, then Germany and Japan would seize it. America, which had designs in the Pacific early on vis-a-vis their national mandate of 'Manifest Destiny', saw the acquisition of the Philippines, Hawaii and the Caroline Islands as being integral to their mandate of 'Manifest Destiny'.

The decision by U.S. policymakers to annex the Philippines was not without domestic controversy. Americans who advocated annexation evinced a variety of motivations: desire for commercial opportunities in Asia, concern that the Filipinos were incapable of self-rule, and fear that if the United States did not take control of the islands, another power (such as Germany or Japan) might do so.

Retrieved from: The Philippine-American War, 1899–1902 - 1899–1913 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

Very good point. Either way it goes, the Philippine's fate was sealed.

During the Age of Imperialism --- this was the rule of the day. The powers that be would consume territories from empires / states that were unable to defend its interests. In fact the Philippines, which was a Royal Crown Colony of the Spanish Empire, was even lost to the British during the 18th century Spanish-English War. In fact, the Philippines was under British control for some 2-4 years until the Peace Treaty enabled Spanish re-acquisition of the Philippines from the British Empire.

British occupation of Manila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The Philippines has been a strategic importance for the Great Powers then. The Philippines will continue to be a strategic importance for Great Powers in the present and the indefinite future.

Very good point. Either way it goes, the Philippine's fate was sealed.

@Carlosa ,

To be honest, objective historical analysis of the Spanish-American War leads any would be analyst to see the American ambitious designs in the Western Pacific. America not only acquired the Philippines, but also Palao, Guam, the Caroline Islands and all waters within said area from Spain. Not to mention the acquisition of Puerto Rico, Cuba.

The area that the US gained from Spain in the Western Pacific:

i think Japan most likely would have colonized the Pinoys

Japan was able to modernize and colonize Korea and Taiwan, two large civilization states in East Asia --- I think the colonization of the Philippines would have been fairly easy. Who knows, had the Philippines been placed under the warm embrace of the Japanese Empire --- Japan might have helped in the development of the Philippines , education and assimilation of the Filipino people. The Philippines might be at the level of Taiwan and Korea -- in Human Developmental Index -- today.

 

[Carlosa]

How is that a new low? Explaining a reality and actual policy of interest at the time --- should be regarded and reviewed with objectivity , not with emotionality. The point is that by 1898, the Japanese Empire was an expanding power that had interest in the South Pacific Mandate, as well as had designs to expand its influence in the Pacific, and the Philippines is an indispensable strategic asset for mastery in the Western Pacific.

The Americans (pro-Imperialist league) knew this early on and knew that if they didn't take the Philippines from the weakened Spanish Empire, then Germany and Japan would seize it. America, which had designs in the Pacific early on vis-a-vis their national mandate of 'Manifest Destiny', saw the acquisition of the Philippines, Hawaii and the Caroline Islands as being integral to their mandate of 'Manifest Destiny'.






Retrieved from: The Philippine-American War, 1899–1902 - 1899–1913 - Milestones - Office of the Historian



During the Age of Imperialism --- this was the rule of the day. The powers that be would consume territories from empires / states that were unable to defend its interests. In fact the Philippines, which was a Royal Crown Colony of the Spanish Empire, was even lost to the British during the 18th century Spanish-English War. In fact, the Philippines was under British control for some 2-4 years until the Peace Treaty enabled Spanish re-acquisition of the Philippines from the British Empire.

British occupation of Manila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The Philippines has been a strategic importance for the Great Powers then. The Philippines will continue to be a strategic importance for Great Powers in the present and the indefinite future.




@Carlosa ,

To be honest, objective historical analysis of the Spanish-American War leads any would be analyst to see the American ambitious designs in the Western Pacific. America not only acquired the Philippines, but also Palao, Guam, the Caroline Islands and all waters within said area from Spain. Not to mention the acquisition of Puerto Rico, Cuba.

The area that the US gained from Spain in the Western Pacific:

Japan was able to modernize and colonize Korea and Taiwan, two large civilization states in East Asia --- I think the colonization of the Philippines would have been fairly easy. Who knows, had the Philippines been placed under the warm embrace of the Japanese Empire --- Japan might have helped in the development of the Philippines , education and assimilation of the Filipino people. The Philippines might be at the level of Taiwan and Korea -- in Human Developmental Index -- today.

And before that, Hawaii. Its very clear in what direction USA was going.
Interesting coincidence that the American ship had that "accident" while in Cuba. It kind of reminds of the Tonkin gulf "incident" that actually never happened.

 

[Aepsilons]

And before that, Hawaii. Its very clear in what direction USA was going.
Interesting coincidence that the American ship had that "accident" while in Cuba. It kind of reminds of the Tonkin gulf incident.

Yes. In fact its interesting because the war supposedly started in Cuba, but somehow the US Pacific Fleet had steamed towards Manila Harbor to strike the Spanish Pacific Fleet while the latter was still docked. The Spanish Military Command in the Philippines expected a battle in Cuba, Puerto Rico with the Americans, not expecting a US Fleet + Expeditionary Invasion Force to seize the Philippines + coordinating efforts with local rebel groups (led by Emilio Aguinaldo).

The US policy of overseas intervention is always a concurrent use of Military Force + inciting local militia groups. Ergo; the support of the Taliban during the Russo-Afghan War, support of Kurds during Operation Iraqi Freedom, support of Northern Alliance during the American invasion of Afghanistan. The support of Hmong (Miao) and Montegard ethnic groups during the Vietnam War.

American Foreign Intervention tactics and doctrine stems back to the Spanish-American War and the Philippine-American War.

 

[Carlosa]

Yes. In fact its interesting because the war supposedly started in Cuba, but somehow the US Pacific Fleet had steamed towards Manila Harbor to strike the Spanish Pacific Fleet while the latter was still docked. The Spanish Military Command in the Philippines expected a battle in Cuba, Puerto Rico with the Americans, not expecting a US Fleet + Expeditionary Invasion Force to seize the Philippines + coordinating efforts with local rebel groups (led by Emilio Aguinaldo).

The US policy of overseas intervention is always a concurrent use of Military Force + inciting local militia groups. Ergo; the support of the Taliban during the Russo-Afghan War, support of Kurds during Operation Iraqi Freedom, support of Northern Alliance during the American invasion of Afghanistan. The support of Hmong (Miao) and Montegard ethnic groups during the Vietnam War.

American Foreign Intervention tactics and doctrine stems back to the Spanish-American War and the Philippine-American War.

Totally correct, from the Spanish perspective its clear that the ship was sabotaged by the Americans in order to have a "casus belliy" against Spain. At that time Spain had internal conflict and other issues, it would make no sense whatsoever for Spain to create a war with USA.

Not much has changed in terms of US policy since that time, now they just try to engineer better reasons for war which are always supported by a submissive press, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya..........

Just look at Syria, the Russians saved US at the last moment from getting into another war and how did the pay the Russians? Proxy war in Ukraine as part of an effort to weaken Russia and possibly create regime change there if the sanctions, etc were to work. And never mind that the reasons for attacking Syria were all about chemical attacks that were actually done by the rebels with chemicals supplied by Turkey precisely to push the Americans to attack Syria. Turkey is another interesting piece of work, you never know on what side they are on.

Old habits die hard.

I support US in the Asia Pacific only because they are the counterbalance against China, but I'm very clear in terms of what they are all about.

 

[Aepsilons]

Totally correct, from the Spanish perspective its clear that the ship was sabotaged by the Americans in order to have a "casus belliy" against Spain. At that time Spain had internal conflict and other issues, it would make no sense whatsoever for Spain to create a war with USA.

Not much has changed in terms of US policy since that time, now they just try to engineer better reasons for war which are always supported by a submissive press, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya..........

Just look at Syria, the Russians saved US at the last moment from getting into another war and how did the pay the Russians? Proxy war in Ukraine as part of an effort to weaken Russia and possibly create regime change there if the sanctions, etc were to work. And never mind that the reasons for attacking Syria were all about chemical attacks that were actually done by the rebels with chemicals supplied by Turkey precisely to push the Americans to attack Syria. Turkey is another interesting piece of work, you never know on what side they are on.

Old habits die hard.

I support US in the Asia Pacific only because they are the counterbalance against China, but I'm very clear in terms of what they are all about.

@Carlosa

I agree with you 101%! Old habits die hard , indeed. American foreign policy is just hard to comprehend, sometimes.