US won’t rule out military action if China establishes base in Solomon Islands

[kingQamaR]

Currently the U.S. Navy is better just in the amount of resources it could bring into a conflict. However, the Chinese Navy is improving in leaps and bounds. Soon they will be better able to function in some limited niches like coastal defense ect., then the U.S. Navy. But the Chinese are already a force to be reckoned with by the Russians, Japanese, Indian and Navies. As well as all other navies the region

 

[RescueRanger]

Typical USA

 

[Luosifen]

Soloman Islands is still too far away for the current PLAN to protect against the USN if they decided to go for a military intervention. They would not have support of PLAAF or PLARF to tip an engagement in their favour, and right now they are down to Liaoning since Shandong is undergoing refit and maintenance.

 

[Muhammed45]

With all this might that China possesses, they should have returned Taiwan to the mainland China a long time ago.

USA is a hegemonic power, hit them from where they are most vulnerable.

 

[kingQamaR]

With all this might that China possesses, they should have returned Taiwan to the mainland China a long time ago.

USA is a hegemonic power, hit them from where they are most vulnerable.

No not yet
No, far from it. The Chinese Navy only has 1 Aircraft carrier in operation with 2 more under construction. A nuclear powered Carrier is in the planning stages. The US has 13 nuclear powered Aircraft Carriers operational plus 5 that are not nuclear powered. It would take the Chinese a least two decades to match the US in carriers

 

[Muhammed45]

No not yet
No, far from it. The Chinese Navy only has 1 Aircraft carrier in operation with 2 more under construction. A nuclear powered Carrier is in the planning stages. The US has 13 nuclear powered Aircraft Carriers operational plus 5 that are not nuclear powered. It would take the Chinese a least two decades to match the US in carriers

You are right, numerically USA is superior. But Anglo savages are cowards in nature, they are terrorists not real fighters. Remember their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They never dared to attakc Iraq before completely paralyzing the country and taking assuarance from Russians that Russians would not try to arm Iraqi army. Chinese soldiers on the other hand are opposite to them having every reason to fight to death.

If China waits for an other two decades, then examples of AUKUS will be shaped again and again.

 

[beijingwalker]

No not yet
No, far from it. The Chinese Navy only has 1 Aircraft carrier in operation with 2 more under construction. A nuclear powered Carrier is in the planning stages. The US has 13 nuclear powered Aircraft Carriers operational plus 5 that are not nuclear powered. It would take the Chinese a least two decades to match the US in carriers

China doesn't need air craft carriers to retake Taiwan but China doesn't want to do a business that both mainland and Taiwan would suffer. China didn't take over Hong kong until 1997 was for the same reason. it's not because China couldn't, it was because China believed it was not the right time.

 

[obj 705A]

IMO while it's easy for us to get emotional and say things like "China is weak, why aren't they being more active militarily in the Solomons when the US is this aggressive" in reality Taiwan is currently China's top priority, not Solomon islands.
And while it's true that Biden presents a golden opportunity for the PLA to regain Taiwan (because Biden is demented) however the reality is that China's semiconductor industry is still not ready to fully replace that of the west. When China achieves self sufficiency in semiconductors that will be the end of Taiwan sepratists.
It is best not only for China's sake but even for Russia's sake if China were to wait till they achieve self sufficiency before the Chinese move militarily on Taiwan, because at the moment China cannot help Russia fully replace western civilian technology because some Chinese companies themselves are still dependent on western technology, they need more time.
As for Ukraine what Russia is lacking is an enough number of soldiers, China will of course not send it's own soldiers to Ukraine and I highly doubt that Russia would want to have a significant number of foreigners helping them, remember up to 30k Syrians offered to fight for Russia in Ukraine yet Russia (at best) only accepted few dozens of them, Russia looks at Ukraine as it's own territory and they want it to be liberated with Russian hands.

 

[AlKardai]

Lmao. That is never going to happen.
As they say, all bark, no bite.

 

[WotTen]

US will not need to attack.

Unfortunately, Solomon Islanders are very racist against Chinese. It won't take much for the US to hire local troublemakers.

 

[TNT]

What do the American chamchas here say now? Its ok for NATO and US to creep up Russia and china'a *** and say a sovereign country can make any decision but now threatening a sovereign country because it is giving basea to china??

 

[CodeforFood]

US and the west are so used to bullying weaker nations and expecting weak nations to take the bullying lying down, the US and the west call it the well established "world order" or "international norm". they accuse China and Russia of challenging and disrupting this "world order".

It is not about the moral ground.

 

[Jungibaaz]

China can’t have foreign bases, but if we have 50 it’s cool. I sincerely hope China succeeds in clawing back control over a lot of their part of the Pacific, world police needs to be knocked down a few pegs.

 

[DF41]

Soloman Islands is still too far away for the current PLAN to protect against the USN if they decided to go for a military intervention. They would not have support of PLAAF or PLARF to tip an engagement in their favour, and right now they are down to Liaoning since Shandong is undergoing refit and maintenance.

Any time USA want to tango, China will tango with USA

A hit from Chinese AShCM will be sufficient for it to be over for any USA carrier.

Estimated China got 3000++ of AShCMs

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

No shit about bulkheads and spaces to contain the hellfire that will likely engulf the entire carrier.


And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.

Chinese have about 3,000 of these kind of AShCMs.

In the form of Mach 3–4 YJ-12s carrying 400–500 semi shaped charge warheads, fired outside the AEGIS cover. The YJ-12 can also do evasive maneuvers to avoid anti-missile threats.

YJ-12 - Wikipedia

There is also the YJ-18 with reach exceeding Aegis cover. YJ-18 will start off at sub Mach 1. Until about 20 km from target , it will sprint at Mach 3–4 to deliver good news to the carrier .

China's YJ-18 Supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: America's Nightmare?

This Chinese description relates that the missile’s great strength is its “亚超结合的独特动力” [subsonic and supersonic combined unique propulsion]. Another term applied to this design is “双速制反舰导弹” [dual speed control ASCM]. As explained in the article, it is projected that YJ-18 would have an initial subsonic phase estimated at .8 Mach similar to the Klub of about 180km, but 20km from the target would unleash the supersonic sprint vehicle at speed of Mach 2.5 to 3. The “dual speed” function allows the system to realize certain advantages of subsonic cruise missiles, such as their “relatively long range, light weight and universality …” but also takes the chief advantage of supersonic ASCMs as well, namely the ability to “大幅压缩敌方的反应时间” [radically compress the enemy’s reaction time].

The Chinese article relates another advantage of the “dual speed” approach. Just as the missile comes into contact with the ship’s defenses, it “sheds the medium stage …,” thus simultaneously and dramatically altering both its speed and also its radar reflection, “which would impact the fire control calculation.” The likelihood that YJ-18 improves upon the Klub missile’s “digitization, automation, as well as providing more intelligent flight control and navigation technology” is attributed in the Chinese article to a recent Jane’s report.

Finally got a name.


Not DF-XX

This baby is call the YJ-21 , 鹰击-12 or Eagle Strike 21

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/yj-21-chinas-new-anti-ship-missile-will-make-the-navy-sweat/



YJ21 in this video is not first testing in 055, The missile was fired during a normal training exercise.
It shows that YJ21 has already been massive equipped on the 055 destroyer.



WANG SUI WANG WANG SUI 萬歲 萬 萬歲

 

[Luosifen]

I'm all for a strong Chinese military, but realistically they aren't at the stage where they can face down the USN far from home and win right now. In 2035? Maybe. 2049? Highly likely. Today? Very unlikely. PLAN still needs more carriers, 055 and 052D, type 095 and 096 subs, and the J-35 still needs to be put into production. Then we still need time to train up all the sailors and pilots to full operational status which takes a few years extra.

I doubt this security deal is a mutual defense pact like China has with North Korea, it is likely more along the lines of setting a legal framework to send PAP for COIN to assist the Solomons govt against colour revolutions, but a straight up invasion by the USA would be beyond China's ability to stop. Instead, China can use any military intervention in the Solomons to justify action on Taiwan which they can succeed at.