US Will Not Target Haqqanis in Afghanistan

[Solomon2]

Please tell me, at which point exactly did I specify what my arguments were and why -

You didn't. It was my assumption.

or how your response is disproportionate, odd and uncalled for?

"miles short of anything acceptable"

Indeed it is like someone mentioning the mere subject and a political position, and you kicking off about the details of it, assuming all too much of the arguments made.

That is possible. That's why I asked you for more details.

As for the specifics of my criticisms of the response to 9/11 they range from, knee-jerk reactions from US policy makers, and in their rhetoric when they should have been both more cautious and calculated, to actual policies such as supporting sectarian divisions on the ground during and after the invasion, through into the nation-building process. If you want a detailed outline, I'd be happy to give it...

Yes, that's exactly what I want.

Now, here's the distinction. Those were mistakes and it'd be one thing to excuse them happening without the benefit of knowing the results we see now, it is another to see results and to hopelessly defend such things...

Defend, no. Excuse, maybe. Because nobody has the right to demand god-like perfection in another, yes?

 

[Viper0011.]

And more on above they want to push Pakistan into Afghanistan war to weaken Pakistan army so that they can create Arab spring type phenomina to get the chance to denuke us in the name of nuclear security.

how do you create "any spring" (let alone an Arab Spring), inside a country with a democratically elected government, which has already put this country on the path of socioeconomic growth, peace and prosperity? ( talking about the current civilian government in Pakistan, which has gotten her mandate from the people in three different elections since getting elected for the federal government).

Arab Springs types of things only take place where there is an anarchy and dictatorship for decades and people actually want to get up and go against the government. In that regards, then IK would be Pakistan's number 1 enemy as he wants to create an "IK Spring" just to steal power? .

WOW, we just figured out the major cause of Pakistan's internal instability's reason!!!! Add Talibans terrorist baster*ds on top of it and you got all the major ingredients together to create violent and extremist like environment.

You guys write too many conspiracy theories. The Gen. meant what he said.....the Haqqani's are given to Afghan forces as their core responsibility. Which is why you see statements from all levels of Afghan government coming out every other day against Pakistan and these Haqqani people. The US military is tackling remainder of Al-Qaeda, Taliban bast*erds and ISIS which combine present the most serious danger to many regions in the globe today.

 

[Hiptullha]

The Gen. meant what he said.....the Haqqani's are given to Afghan forces as their core responsibility. Which is why you see statements from all levels of Afghan government coming out every other day against Pakistan and these Haqqani people. The US military is tackling remainder of Al-Qaeda, Taliban bast*erds and ISIS which combine present the most serious danger to many regions in the globe today.

That doesn't make sense. The Afghans have been struggling to fight the militants and the US decides that their going to hand them the task of taking on the most dangerous and experienced group among the militants. Not adding up.

 

[Maarkhoor]

how do you create "any spring" (let alone an Arab Spring), inside a country with a democratically elected government, which has already put this country on the path of socioeconomic growth, peace and prosperity? ( talking about the current civilian government in Pakistan, which has gotten her mandate from the people in three different elections since getting elected for the federal government).

Arab Springs types of things only take place where there is an anarchy and dictatorship for decades and people actually want to get up and go against the government. In that regards, then IK would be Pakistan's number 1 enemy as he wants to create an "IK Spring" just to steal power? .

WOW, we just figured out the major cause of Pakistan's internal instability's reason!!!! Add Talibans terrorist baster*ds on top of it and you got all the major ingredients together to create violent and extremist like environment.

You guys write too many conspiracy theories. The Gen. meant what he said.....the Haqqani's are given to Afghan forces as their core responsibility. Which is why you see statements from all levels of Afghan government coming out every other day against Pakistan and these Haqqani people. The US military is tackling remainder of Al-Qaeda, Taliban bast*erds and ISIS which combine present the most serious danger to many regions in the globe today.

Don't worry i sum up my reply by saying King Nawaz Govt is quite ideal for that type of scenario. One brother P.M. younger one C.M, daughter's father in law finance minister and all the big posts gifted to close relatives + in butt / khawaja biradari.

 

[Viper0011.]

Don't worry i sum up my reply by saying King Nawaz Govt is quite ideal for that type of scenario. One brother P.M. younger one C.M, daughter's father in law finance minister and all the big posts gifted to close relatives + in butt / khawaja biradari.

Awwww.....you are getting personal like always. Couldn't come up with a real factual answer? Its ok, we allow some emotional outbursts on here too. At the end, we are all people.

By the way, who signed the JFT development contract with China? And who decided to press the button in 1998, irrespective of President Clinton and others calls, billions cash and weapons offers? You are right, it was your uncle NS . He's the best Pakistan has got and therefor he is STILL sitting in the office for the third time. A LOT of history was and is being made under everyone of his rules. Things that you can try to color a different paint on, but you can't change the facts

Do respond when you actually have a fact based answer and not just gibberish which makes no sense .

 

[Vapnope]

And yet Pakistan did nothing, but now expects the Afghans to do it? USA is winding down anyway, so the local players need to sort this one out.

Pakistan did against the Al-Qaida as agreed. If US's number 1 threat is Haqqanis why they didn't went after them? Why ISIS is surfacing in Afghanistan?

Al-Qaeda's ability to use that areas as a safe haven is no more.

Al-Qaida is going no where trust me. They are like a hydra's head. ISIS, Al Qaida, Taliban they are same thing. If there was no al qaida, taliban would have not made that much success in Afghanistan these days.

 

[Pulsar]

But he reiterated the Haqqani network is “the number one threat” to American forces in the country and a “severe threat” to the Afghan government.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/us-will-not-target-haqqanis-in-afghanistan.420333/#ixzz3z4yjl4x0

What a cracker of a joke! First he says that the Haqqanis will not be targeted, then in the same breath the clown says that they are the No.1 enemy of American forces!

So does it mean America's No. 1 threat, the Haqqiais, will be spared? WTF is going on? Do the Yanks even know what the heck they're talking about? No wonder with such confused policies and strategy they're beating a hasty retreat from Afghanistan with a lot of egg on their faces!

 

[WaLeEdK2]

how do you create "any spring" (let alone an Arab Spring), inside a country with a democratically elected government, which has already put this country on the path of socioeconomic growth, peace and prosperity? ( talking about the current civilian government in Pakistan, which has gotten her mandate from the people in three different elections since getting elected for the federal government).

Arab Springs types of things only take place where there is an anarchy and dictatorship for decades and people actually want to get up and go against the government. In that regards, then IK would be Pakistan's number 1 enemy as he wants to create an "IK Spring" just to steal power? .

WOW, we just figured out the major cause of Pakistan's internal instability's reason!!!! Add Talibans terrorist baster*ds on top of it and you got all the major ingredients together to create violent and extremist like environment.

You guys write too many conspiracy theories. The Gen. meant what he said.....the Haqqani's are given to Afghan forces as their core responsibility. Which is why you see statements from all levels of Afghan government coming out every other day against Pakistan and these Haqqani people. The US military is tackling remainder of Al-Qaeda, Taliban bast*erds and ISIS which combine present the most serious danger to many regions in the globe today.

The US could say how the Army is the one pulling the strings from the back and dictating everything NS says and does. If it's not an open dictatorship then they'll use ideas like this.

But in Pakistan, I don't see a massive civil war like the ones that have occurred in the Arab world. Army has too much influence and power for that to happen.

 

[Viper0011.]

The US could say how the Army is the one pulling the strings from the back and dictating everything NS says and does. If it's not an open dictatorship then they'll use ideas like this.

But in Pakistan, I don't see a massive civil war like the ones that have occurred in the Arab world. Army has too much influence and power for that to happen.

If I know exactly where the Army has pull and where they don't, trust me, the US government is MUCH larger than me and much more resourceful to the bones!! The US lawmakers don't hold back. They clearly say where the Army is involved. After OBL and a couple of other incidents in India, there was an ample opportunity and a "justification" to over throw the government or even let India start a limited war that've been dreaming of. But the US instead respected the democratic government's take on things and worked with them, while restraining India. Modi's trip also means a thank you to Uncle Sam's gesture of friendship!!

Pakistan was almost in bankruptcy in 2012. Outside of some "hawks" that exist in every Army around the globe. There is no over taking the civilian governments anymore. If that happens, THEN, you'll see a repeat of Egypt. But not under a democratic rule. Also, the generals have started to understand their place. No more billions are being provided by the US directly to rulers and the same with the Chinese, etc. So the only party that can run Pakistan effectively are the people who can grow the economy and actually generate more revenue so that these generals can actually sit inside their 5 and 7 series BMW's

When people have started to see and get what they deserve (nice infrastructure, businesses friendly tax policies (not for Tax thieves though which used to be like 98% of Pakistan), electricity production being resolved, metro systems, nicer medical and engineering schools, software parks, electronic manufacturing industry, and stabiloity etc), they clearly see the difference (results of the past 60 years of military rule, vs. results of a 5 year civilian rule where elected officials actually worked). There is no comparison in terms of human / people welfare work and national progress.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

US Will Not Target Haqqanis in Afghanistan
January 29, 2016

• Ayaz Gul

Army Lt. Gen. John Nicholson Jr., seen in this Jan. 28, 2016 photo, is picked to lead US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. He says the U.S. is not targeting Haqqanis in Afghanistan.

ISLAMABAD —
The United States military for the first time has categorically stated its counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan are not targeting the Haqqani network of militants, which is fighting alongside the Taliban.

The comment this week by Lieutenant General John “Mick” Nicholson, picked to lead US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, has come as a surprise to regional analysts who say it could be signaling a shift in Washington’s policy to promote Afghan peace and reconciliation efforts.

“They are not part of that designation right now…The Haqqanis are principally a focus of the Afghan security forces,” Nicholson told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday when asked wether U.S. forces target the Haqqanis as part of their counterterrorism mission in Afghanistan.

Nicholson went on to explain that the focus of U.S. counterterrorism actions are militants linked to al-Qaida and Islamic State group to prevent them from becoming a threat to the United States. Around 10,000 U.S. forces are stationed in Afghanistan as part of NATO-led Resolute Support mission to train and advise Afghan security forces and conduct counterterrorism operations.

But he reiterated the Haqqani network is “the number one threat” to American forces in the country and a “severe threat” to the Afghan government.

U.S. and Afghan officials have long alleged that Haqqanis together with the Taliban are using their bases in Pakistani border territory for attacks inside Afghanistan.

Nicholson reiterated those concerns in his testimony, saying the United States has not been satisfied that Pakistan has put enough pressure on the Haqqanis to prevent cross-border attacks.

“I view it as a serious problem and this has been one of the principal challenges. It is a sanctuary that our enemies and particularly the Haqqani network have enjoyed inside Pakistan,” he said.

The head of Islamabad-based Institute of Strategic Studies, Masood Khan, while commenting on the U.S. general’s comments regarding the Haqqani network says principal interlocutors need to “signal flexibility.”

Afghan, Pakistani, U.S. and Chinese officials have recently initiated a four-way peace process aimed at resurrecting stated talks between the Kabul government and the Taliban.

The contract group has held two meetings this month while a third is scheduled for February 6 in Islamabad.

“It is absolutely imperative to bring Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table. Pakistan believes that the best way to do this is through well-considered incentivization and inducement. Neither coercion nor weak blandishments would work,” said Khan.

Nicholson praised the quadrilateral talks as “a great leap forward”, saying it should result in a road map for further Afghan peace talks.

“These talks are encouraging; I see reconciliation as the path towards a negotiated settlement that brings about the end of conflict in Afghanistan.”

The Haqqani network has carried out some of the most sophisticated guerrilla attacks and suicide bombings in Afghanistan against both local as well as foreign targets.

Lately, it has focused its raids on targets in Kabul. The group's leadership U.S. officials believe has links to the Pakistani spy agency, charges Islamabad denies.

My Questions to Him?

1. Whose mess is Haqqani etc?
2. Isn't Pakistan already busy clearing their mess?
3. Pakistan is already in war against terrorism despite any group with no exceptions which is the fruit of cold war era, isn't it?
4. Didn't they see Pakistan's efforts to bring peace in the Afghanistan and Region?
5. Who is ISIS?
6. Why not to admit that Pakistan has made real efforts and these splinter groups are on run so joining the ISIS in Afghanistan which is under US control?
7. Isn't the ISIS proxy of US & West so also fully supported by Israel and R&AW in Afghanistan?
8. What about US own defence officials admission about Pakistan's efforts in war against these terrorists?
9. Do you want to impose these allegations just to save your face despite all our losses from children to adults, students to Labour, civilians to Military personnel etc?
10. Wouldn't this affect the on going talks for peace in Afghanistan that Pakistan is striving for?
11. What about the attacks by terrorists inside Pakistan from Afghanistan?
12. Aren't you suppose to do your job in Afghanistan with all those advance weaponry etc so we can eliminate them as well?
13. Are those words telling them Haqqani network that look we never attacked you but Pakistan?
14. What is the intention in this statement like just to make somebody happy & distract the attention of Pakistan from Op against them and defame Pakistan Military?
15. Is it the NDS and R&AW supported group that you are proving your innocence in front of them?
or
16. If Afghanistan is under US control then how these terrorists are still at large and ISIS is growing as another threat?

US own marines apprehended Latifullah Mehsud while he was en-route by NDS etc to meet his R&AW handlers which later confess the whole story in front of camera and video is already leaked. The double standards need an end now because you are also loosing your men in their. Petting the proxies will end in a total destruction hence action is needed. Such irresponsible statements will indeed sabotage the whole peace process which is not in favor of stable Afghanistan as well as this Region. Pakistan has suffered more than US in this war and one of the reason is Haqqani Network as well. There shouldn't be any difference in these groups though all are the terrorists and such statements will bring no good. It will be more feasible and fruitful that US may train the ANA to fight against terrorism rather operate in Pakistan and support the terrorism inside Pakistan.

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @notorious_eagle @Neutron @MaarKhoor @Bratva

The USA appears to be appreciating Pak's role in

US Will Not Target Haqqanis in Afghanistan
January 29, 2016

• Ayaz Gul

Army Lt. Gen. John Nicholson Jr., seen in this Jan. 28, 2016 photo, is picked to lead US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. He says the U.S. is not targeting Haqqanis in Afghanistan.

ISLAMABAD —
The United States military for the first time has categorically stated its counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan are not targeting the Haqqani network of militants, which is fighting alongside the Taliban.

The comment this week by Lieutenant General John “Mick” Nicholson, picked to lead US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, has come as a surprise to regional analysts who say it could be signaling a shift in Washington’s policy to promote Afghan peace and reconciliation efforts.

“They are not part of that designation right now…The Haqqanis are principally a focus of the Afghan security forces,” Nicholson told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday when asked wether U.S. forces target the Haqqanis as part of their counterterrorism mission in Afghanistan.

Nicholson went on to explain that the focus of U.S. counterterrorism actions are militants linked to al-Qaida and Islamic State group to prevent them from becoming a threat to the United States. Around 10,000 U.S. forces are stationed in Afghanistan as part of NATO-led Resolute Support mission to train and advise Afghan security forces and conduct counterterrorism operations.

But he reiterated the Haqqani network is “the number one threat” to American forces in the country and a “severe threat” to the Afghan government.

U.S. and Afghan officials have long alleged that Haqqanis together with the Taliban are using their bases in Pakistani border territory for attacks inside Afghanistan.

Nicholson reiterated those concerns in his testimony, saying the United States has not been satisfied that Pakistan has put enough pressure on the Haqqanis to prevent cross-border attacks.

“I view it as a serious problem and this has been one of the principal challenges. It is a sanctuary that our enemies and particularly the Haqqani network have enjoyed inside Pakistan,” he said.

The head of Islamabad-based Institute of Strategic Studies, Masood Khan, while commenting on the U.S. general’s comments regarding the Haqqani network says principal interlocutors need to “signal flexibility.”

Afghan, Pakistani, U.S. and Chinese officials have recently initiated a four-way peace process aimed at resurrecting stated talks between the Kabul government and the Taliban.

The contract group has held two meetings this month while a third is scheduled for February 6 in Islamabad.

“It is absolutely imperative to bring Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table. Pakistan believes that the best way to do this is through well-considered incentivization and inducement. Neither coercion nor weak blandishments would work,” said Khan.

Nicholson praised the quadrilateral talks as “a great leap forward”, saying it should result in a road map for further Afghan peace talks.

“These talks are encouraging; I see reconciliation as the path towards a negotiated settlement that brings about the end of conflict in Afghanistan.”

The Haqqani network has carried out some of the most sophisticated guerrilla attacks and suicide bombings in Afghanistan against both local as well as foreign targets.

Lately, it has focused its raids on targets in Kabul. The group's leadership U.S. officials believe has links to the Pakistani spy agency, charges Islamabad denies.

My Questions to Him?

1. Whose mess is Haqqani etc?
2. Isn't Pakistan already busy clearing their mess?
3. Pakistan is already in war against terrorism despite any group with no exceptions which is the fruit of cold war era, isn't it?
4. Didn't they see Pakistan's efforts to bring peace in the Afghanistan and Region?
5. Who is ISIS?
6. Why not to admit that Pakistan has made real efforts and these splinter groups are on run so joining the ISIS in Afghanistan which is under US control?
7. Isn't the ISIS proxy of US & West so also fully supported by Israel and R&AW in Afghanistan?
8. What about US own defence officials admission about Pakistan's efforts in war against these terrorists?
9. Do you want to impose these allegations just to save your face despite all our losses from children to adults, students to Labour, civilians to Military personnel etc?
10. Wouldn't this affect the on going talks for peace in Afghanistan that Pakistan is striving for?
11. What about the attacks by terrorists inside Pakistan from Afghanistan?
12. Aren't you suppose to do your job in Afghanistan with all those advance weaponry etc so we can eliminate them as well?
13. Are those words telling them Haqqani network that look we never attacked you but Pakistan?
14. What is the intention in this statement like just to make somebody happy & distract the attention of Pakistan from Op against them and defame Pakistan Military?
15. Is it the NDS and R&AW supported group that you are proving your innocence in front of them?
or
16. If Afghanistan is under US control then how these terrorists are still at large and ISIS is growing as another threat?

US own marines apprehended Latifullah Mehsud while he was en-route by NDS etc to meet his R&AW handlers which later confess the whole story in front of camera and video is already leaked. The double standards need an end now because you are also loosing your men in their. Petting the proxies will end in a total destruction hence action is needed. Such irresponsible statements will indeed sabotage the whole peace process which is not in favor of stable Afghanistan as well as this Region. Pakistan has suffered more than US in this war and one of the reason is Haqqani Network as well. There shouldn't be any difference in these groups though all are the terrorists and such statements will bring no good. It will be more feasible and fruitful that US may train the ANA to fight against terrorism rather operate in Pakistan and support the terrorism inside Pakistan.

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @notorious_eagle @Neutron @MaarKhoor @Bratva

The US govt must have been on the verge of giving up on stooges in Kabul who are nothing short of damn failures. Even after so much support of all kinds from all over the world they failed to do a national reconciliation and come up with an effective state. Don't they understand their own folks? What have they taken the Americans for? If things don't work out Americans just close the book and move forward - be it marriage, children, companies or national/international policies. They are this much pragmatic minded without a shred of emotional bindings. Without blinking eyes for a single time they can cold bloodedly take major decisions after all the cost benefit analysis. The sooner the Afghan govt - if it is anything else than a mafia - understands it the better...

 

[barbarosa]

What will USA do in the future If they targets Haqani group in Afghanistan?

 

[The Eagle]

The USA appears to be appreciating Pak's role in


The US govt must have been on the verge of giving up on stooges in Kabul who are nothing short of damn failures. Even after so much support of all kinds from all over the world they failed to do a national reconciliation and come up with an effective state. Don't they understand their own folks? What have they taken the Americans for? If things don't work out Americans just close the book and move forward - be it marriage, children, companies or national/international policies. They are this much pragmatic minded without a shred of emotional bindings. Without blinking eyes for a single time they can cold bloodedly take major decisions after all the cost benefit analysis. The sooner the Afghan govt - if it is anything else than a mafia - understands it the better...

The doings by them aren't new in this arena. I may just give you a little of highlights here. It started with us since 1949 when our the then leader tried to maintain a balanced leadership with US and USSR as well but his move was opposed saying he is inviting communism especially in case of USSR at those times. We missed the first boat towards foundation of int'l relations with the help of US and we remained friends and ally merely to get ready for cold war until again Bhutto tried to repeat the same formula of balanced relations. You know what, how both of them ended? the first one was shot dead by an assassin and second one was hanged by the US best lover Gen. Zia. Zia was indeed trained for the day to have the fruits during cold war with USSR in shape of Afghan Jihad. At those times, the same Jihadis were beloved more to US than us. We were appraised, loved and even paid to train them for what, you know, counter the USSR but in the name of Jihad. The same Jihadis were trained and equipped by our friend US for their own cause only which it served the best. In the same time, Pakistan was labelled as Jihadi producer and USSR was downed like two birds with one stone.

The consistency attitude of US for the relations cannot be applied in this region nor in any other. There is always remained a strong opposed for many things among EU for US, that's the history. So also Europeans law cannot be adopted in this region by any of their puppet. The phenomena of such love for US West & USSR, always pushed us towards instability of country, by our the then leaderships. Islam was used to only achieve their goals all alone. Islam is not someones personal belonging, like or dislike thing but Islam is a complete guidance of life and rule for Muslims which includes everything for minorities as well. The same US & Westerns have been paying $$$ for Jihadi Education but where, in Pakistan my friend. Why didn't US introduced the same system to encounter USSR in their own homeland because they knew it that once it is launched it is like wild and cannot be controlled so planned to use someone else religion at someone else land to encounter someone else which all in together are threat to US (as they believe). IMO, it became only wild when USSR was defeated in Afghanistan and Taliban become the ruling party the same party which was trained to fight against USSR in the name of Islam based upon ideologies, forged and cooked as extreme to achieve their goals and raise the people to fight yet become the same extreme element which US had to encounter which they knew but ignored because of their same habit of close the book and move forward. This time ignoring the heat of that danger chained to US which they can't ignore by their habit and go away. The same habit of US is turning the allies in region against her and nothing less but are reasoning for growing hatred towards herself.

These Haqqanis, Mehsuds, Mulla Fazllullah etc all were loved by US back there but as it was going to be wild, they left them with no proper anti-virus and because of which we all are still sustaining injuries. Haqqanis, TTP and etc all are our enemies as well and killers of our children and innocents. If this the Islam which indeed isn't, then US shouldn't have praised it in past or this time US need to understand the gravity of situation, call upon allies as we are one of them (very fooled), gain trust and discuss openly like look what i have done now as usual we have to clean the mess but together rather being a blaming friend pretending to be innocent and causing problems/damages and unrest. we all kmow that with cold blooded rather barbarian attitude we cannot live in peace or cannot be applied in a culture where people do care for each other by way of relations, religion, language, caste etc which is bond and sacred to these eastern people and ultimately grows anger against any intruder.

The way US appraises the Pakistan efforts and in the same time expresses the do more or being in habit is usual business or their method to do a job but they just need to realize that the same equation to deal with these kind of experiments by only changing the figures and alphabets wouldn't work always against the same enemy. The change of habit, formula or methods is must otherwise result will be the same as it was previously though the solution may live a little longer than before but not forever. US should call upon friends, as i said and need to be true but not like this which wouldn't work and will bring nothing to humanity. If it is the wrong doing at Pakistan's end then US isn't saint. Those were the mistakes of past that we are dealing presently and will cause destruction in future if not handled with care, in professional manners and by mutual way of diplomacy.

 

[Jungibaaz]

You didn't. It was my assumption.

Right, and I'm saying the assumption was idiotic, or perhaps designed to provoke, in either case, it was wrong, and took either a lack of willingness to debate or sheer idiocy. Take your pick.

I'd pick the latter if I were you, at least it'd be less dishonourable.

"miles short of anything acceptable"

You realise the difference between details and an overall judgement?

That is possible. That's why I asked you for more details.

It's what happened, I made a mere hint at specifics, and you assumed some pretty reprehensible positions.
I could do this now to you, but I'm not one for a pissing contest.

Yes, that's exactly what I want.

So be it. Take the the two points I raised and role with them. Let's see how worked up you can get, and what sort of mental mastrubation you can engage in with the given material.

Since of course, it didn't take much at all to get you going in the first place.

Also, I have learnt not to bother as much with you, even with my earlier post, all I get back is this effortless paragraph, refusing to acknowledge even an ounce of what I said. That's not reasonable.

Defend, no. Excuse, maybe.

What's the difference?

And yeah, I maintain, you can't do either... and only a morally bankrupt person, or lacking in the facts would try to, and fail, inevitably.

Good luck once again.

Because nobody has the right to demand god-like perfection in another, yes?

You play God in deciding the fate of millions, you'll be judged accordingly.
And remember, nobody demanded perfection here, just not the godawful results we see, excuse the pun.

 

[LeGenD]

You're right, no harm done to the US, you could've left it not done in 2001, and still be in the same situation.
You did however waste trillions, and invite attacks on your soil and on the soil of your allies and people who represent you.

The total cost of strictly military operations in Afghanistan since 2001 is approaching 700 billion USD mark.

Trillions of USD based figures are misleading; they represent holistic costs of overseas military operations around the world since the 9/11 event, various forms of indirect costs and miscellaneous stuff.

Unfortunately, conflicts in the Middle East were prioritized over the Afghan front and Pakistan was pressured to do more for the Afghan front instead. On top of everything, the recession event of 2008 forced President Barack Obama to reconsider American commitment to (global) War on Terror and he decided to dial down the scale and intensity of the ongoing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan as a consequence.

Still, Americans should not abandon Afghanistan. They should continue to maintain a limited military presence in the country and continue counterinsurgency operations against terrorists/militants to deny them a breathing-space in the region for years to come.

Afghan War is winnable.

 

[Super Falcon]

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As long as Pakhtoons are back in Kabul, we will be back in business. Get these northern alliance scumbags out and send them packing back to their panjsher valley.

Agreef pakhtoons are real stack holders with majority these *** holes of NA khana badosh never had any land ruling govt kick them so they can never sit

Yes one way or other indian investment in afghan to. Counter pak will have zero effect and all indian money will be wasted